Cheating in sports...???

That was a 'classic'! The rule book required a 20 gallon guel tank. It was checked a lot, however nothing was in writing as to how big and long the fuel lines were. He used oversized lines and an 11 foot long line from the tank to the engine. It held considerably more fuel than all the others.
All true but this is not cheating. Using the rule book to your advantage.
 
"All true but this is not cheating. Using the rule book to your advantage."

I see this all the time in USPSA. MANY people push the rules to the limit,, and do all they can to gain a small advantage over others by this method.
I recall a guy who used to shoot here. He was VERY much like that. He did all sorts of things to try & make himself come out on top over everybody by the little things he could push to the edge. It used to warp his mind that we had a shooter,, who was not even a paid member of USPSA,, who had shot for years,, but once his kids got into school sports,, missed a lot of matches,, and would only shoot occasionally. Yet,, that casual,, and occasional shooter could not shoot a match for months, come down,, and win the match. His abilities could easily outdo the rule pusher.
Sadly,, this rule pusher would also do all sorts of things to alienate others because of his attitude. Many considered him a "range nazi." But I watched his "push to the limit the rules" bite him hard. I was working a SE regional Area 6 BIG match. The stage I worked was just after the chrono/inspection stage. Each competitor had a declared category, and their ammo had to qualify as well. Well, this guy was in the "Single-Stack" division. In that division, the gun had a maximum weight restriction. His gun failed the weight test. When a declared division's rules aren't correct, and the shooter has been using that gun,, the rules put that shooter automatically into the "Open" division, where the restrictions are much less. So, his gun was basically like a VW against a Ferrari after failing the inspection. His argument,, which the Range Master had to rule on,, was that; "I weighed my gun on certified scales,, and it's perfect." The RM ruled; "We use these scales here, for ALL competitors. Your gun shouldn't get right up to the line,, and I don't care who's scales you used. You need to pass on our scales. And yes,, our scales are carefully calibrated & are the best we can do here."
So this guy, who had pushed the limit to the very edge finished WAY down the list in the "Open" category. Otherwise,, he may have done quite well in the Single-Stack division if he had passed the inspection stage.

So while it may not have been cheating,, it was his attempts to squeeze out the absolute most he could using the rules, and maybe gain an advantage. But I spoke with the RM much later one,, and he's an OLD pro in the game. He said; "The rules are there, and it also states that in a match like Area 6, we do all we can to have everybody on the same level as possible. It's just like the ammo power factor. Load your ammo with a little buffer to make sure it passes your declared power factor. If you declare Major (which is 165) then make your ammo at least 168 to 170. That way different chrono's or heat or whatever won't cause your ammo to fail."
I once saw a well known, top level competitor who'd declared "major" and failed chrono with a PF of 164.97. That hurt their scores when they had anything other than A zone hits.

The thing is,, good athletes don't have to cheat, they work hard to hone their abilities,, and push themselves to be their best.
 
"I just don't know how anyone could get any satisfaction out of winning if it wasn't a legitimate win."

A "shrink" I was friends with several years ago told me these people, in their own minds are actually better than their performance shows. They often have little excuses for their poorer performance,, (never their fault,) and do things to boost themselves to what they perceive they "deserve." Their satisfaction comes from winning something,, because in their own minds they "earned" it or deserve it!
Psychological exams before a match. Kidding!
 
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The thing is,, good athletes don't have to cheat, they work hard to hone their abilities,, and push themselves to be their best.
Even the "good" athletes cheat if they can get away with it. Poster board example...Lance Armstrong.
The effort in basically all endurance sports to get the last tiny percentage has led to basically an arms race
between drugs/doping vs. detection of same.
Any sport with any kind of equipment and a rule book is the same type of deal if you want to compete
at the very top.
In motorsports I think most racers look at it like...Rule #1.... it's not cheating if you don't get caught.
 
Rule numero uno in the lying cheating thief playbook, "When you get caught, throw a duck fit and scream EVERYONE CHEATS."

The game has rules and the rules are the rules and they don't change once agreed to and the first move is made, or it isn't a game. Its a fist fight. Just what is your integrity and honor worth? A ten dollar plastic trophy?
 
"All true but this is not cheating. Using the rule book to your advantage."

I see this all the time in USPSA. MANY people push the rules to the limit,, and do all they can to gain a small advantage over others by this method.
I recall a guy who used to shoot here. He was VERY much like that. He did all sorts of things to try & make himself come out on top over everybody by the little things he could push to the edge. It used to warp his mind that we had a shooter,, who was not even a paid member of USPSA,, who had shot for years,, but once his kids got into school sports,, missed a lot of matches,, and would only shoot occasionally. Yet,, that casual,, and occasional shooter could not shoot a match for months, come down,, and win the match. His abilities could easily outdo the rule pusher.
Sadly,, this rule pusher would also do all sorts of things to alienate others because of his attitude. Many considered him a "range nazi." But I watched his "push to the limit the rules" bite him hard. I was working a SE regional Area 6 BIG match. The stage I worked was just after the chrono/inspection stage. Each competitor had a declared category, and their ammo had to qualify as well. Well, this guy was in the "Single-Stack" division. In that division, the gun had a maximum weight restriction. His gun failed the weight test. When a declared division's rules aren't correct, and the shooter has been using that gun,, the rules put that shooter automatically into the "Open" division, where the restrictions are much less. So, his gun was basically like a VW against a Ferrari after failing the inspection. His argument,, which the Range Master had to rule on,, was that; "I weighed my gun on certified scales,, and it's perfect." The RM ruled; "We use these scales here, for ALL competitors. Your gun shouldn't get right up to the line,, and I don't care who's scales you used. You need to pass on our scales. And yes,, our scales are carefully calibrated & are the best we can do here."
So this guy, who had pushed the limit to the very edge finished WAY down the list in the "Open" category. Otherwise,, he may have done quite well in the Single-Stack division if he had passed the inspection stage.

So while it may not have been cheating,, it was his attempts to squeeze out the absolute most he could using the rules, and maybe gain an advantage. But I spoke with the RM much later one,, and he's an OLD pro in the game. He said; "The rules are there, and it also states that in a match like Area 6, we do all we can to have everybody on the same level as possible. It's just like the ammo power factor. Load your ammo with a little buffer to make sure it passes your declared power factor. If you declare Major (which is 165) then make your ammo at least 168 to 170. That way different chrono's or heat or whatever won't cause your ammo to fail."
I once saw a well known, top level competitor who'd declared "major" and failed chrono with a PF of 164.97. That hurt their scores when they had anything other than A zone hits.

The thing is,, good athletes don't have to cheat, they work hard to hone their abilities,, and push themselves to be their best.
Rules are hard to write. Some rules delineate how the game is played. Others by contrast actually are designed to hinder a win or can be used via a referee to obstruct a player. If a player stretches the rules and gets caught, they cry foul and then make more rules. Games should be simple affairs.
 
Along those same lines Jr. Johnson cut the rear axle housing and put in a 1.5 degree negative camber on the outside rear wheel mount to aid in cornering. It took quite a while before he was caught
Was that illegal or did he just use a loophole in the rules?
 
another is...who writes the rules?
sometimes pros have such influence, they make rules to protect their status.
no names mentioned but decades ago, nssa had a aaa class with a 99.5 average.
well, all of a sudden, too many people were achieving it, and it was threatening the big rollers, so what do you suppose happened?
yep...enough whining and........they got aaa class changed to 99.8. and of course...THEY COULD achieve that....and all the close but not quites fell into oblivian in aa class.
 
i have learned this over the years,' when i sport is too easy, they make it hard with rules.'
some examples would be....
skeet
marbles
darts
ping pong
 
I was refereeing in a skeet match.We were way behind on the field due to a breakdown. We went out and I had one of the better shooters in the country...he was also used to using more time than allowed. I let them know at the beginning..any breach of rules you got a warning...2nd was a lost target..We didn't make it past station 4 and I gave him a warning....before he shot. He got to almost twice as long to shoot the 2nd target. When I told him before he even shot he earned a lost target...he went ballistic. Wanted to argue the call right then. Told him sir you have a lost target shoot your option. When he attempted to shoot his option he loaded the wrong barrel(he was very annoyed). Being fair minded I allowed him to shoot it over. He broke it. No more slow downs and he ended with a 99. He questioned my call. Chief ref turned him down. Surprisingly one of his long time team members...agreed with me and at the end of the match...the shooter came back and apologized to me for his language on the field. Some just have to push the envelope.
 
I agree but bending the rules is still not cheating. It does however telegraph a weakness in the rules which will be addressed and then we start all over again.
Smokey Yunick sure wrote the rule book for NASCAR... His 7/8 scale 67 Chevy was the reason for body templates. Among other things.
 

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