Blackhawk loading gate
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Hammer works?
how long since gun has been fired?
What have you tried?
I wonder if loading gate dry or in a bind, etc.
Is gun UNloaded?
Telling us what you’re already tried will limit questions needing asked any maybe narrow things down a bit,
how long since gun has been fired?
What have you tried?
I wonder if loading gate dry or in a bind, etc.
Is gun UNloaded?
Telling us what you’re already tried will limit questions needing asked any maybe narrow things down a bit,
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Register it with Ruger and if the problem continues to exist send it to them for repair. Just be aware that if it's a 3 screw they will automatically do the safety conversion on it. If you don't want that take to a gunsmith.
I’m guessing it’s a new model, as on the old models the loading gate was basically a spring loaded cover and performed no other function.
Worst case, you should be able to remove the grip frame and disassemble from there. You will have fun putting the hammer spring assembly back together though. If you have a drill press you can use it as a press to reassemble the strut rod, spring, and retainer. But once everything is disassembled you should be able to see where the issue lies.
Worst case, you should be able to remove the grip frame and disassemble from there. You will have fun putting the hammer spring assembly back together though. If you have a drill press you can use it as a press to reassemble the strut rod, spring, and retainer. But once everything is disassembled you should be able to see where the issue lies.
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Please post a picture of the gun that you are having problems with. Please also clearly define the problem(s) that you are having with said gun.
needsmostuff
Blackhawk
Maybe , just maybe the little foot of the loading gate spring has poped out of place. That will wonkey the loading gate all up. With the cyl. out you should be able to push it back in with a screwdriver or somesuch.
Also, you can leave the cyl. out while troubleshooting but put the pin back in all the way. That will keep the transfer bar from sticking under the firing pin preventing it from being cocked.
Also, you can leave the cyl. out while troubleshooting but put the pin back in all the way. That will keep the transfer bar from sticking under the firing pin preventing it from being cocked.
What he said.I'm guessing that it's a new model. I've taken apart many new and old model Rugers. Despite the advice above, I would think that taking it apart, "seeing what's wrong", and putting it back together is MUCH more than most folk are capable of. Yes, needsmostuff's advice is spot on, BUT easier said than done if you haven't pulled a bunch of these "lawyer" specials apart. Putting them back together is a whole new life experience.
IMHO of course,
J.
GasGuzzler
Hawkeye
OP is doing something simple incorrectly so please don't encourage him to take it apart.
contender
Ruger Guru
Welcome to the Forum jpsnides!!!!!!
Read closely what needsmostuff has posted. The loading gate spring is a possible source of your problem.
And I, like others here,, assume it's most likely a New Model, with the safety transfer bar action.
If you can remove the cylinder,, do so.
then,, get a manual, and study the odd shaped spring under the lip edge of the loading gate. See how it's supposed to be. It may just need to be returned to it's pesky slot.
Read closely what needsmostuff has posted. The loading gate spring is a possible source of your problem.
And I, like others here,, assume it's most likely a New Model, with the safety transfer bar action.
If you can remove the cylinder,, do so.
then,, get a manual, and study the odd shaped spring under the lip edge of the loading gate. See how it's supposed to be. It may just need to be returned to it's pesky slot.
Okay, looks like a transfer bar, so New Model. I pulled the pin, got the gate open, and pulled the cylinder. Upon closer inspection, it was pretty dirty in there. I've cleaned everything accessible with the cylinder out.
Now I can't get the gate open to put the cylinder back in. I have the pin fully inserted. There looks to me to be a hiccup here - when I bring the hammer back, I here two clicks and it's at full cock. But it I try to just go to half-cock, so I can open the gate, the hammer seems to go all the way forward without resting at half-cock.
I plead total ignorance here. My life was carrying a Browning Hi Power and a shotgun, so I'm a noob here.
Now I can't get the gate open to put the cylinder back in. I have the pin fully inserted. There looks to me to be a hiccup here - when I bring the hammer back, I here two clicks and it's at full cock. But it I try to just go to half-cock, so I can open the gate, the hammer seems to go all the way forward without resting at half-cock.
I plead total ignorance here. My life was carrying a Browning Hi Power and a shotgun, so I'm a noob here.
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And to answer some of the other questions in the thread:
Pretty dirty - cleaning now
Hasn't been fired for at least a decade
Yes, unloaded, (but always worth mentioning, because, ya know...).
All I've been able to do is get the gate open once to get the cylinder out and
clean it. Now its locked up again. The hammer 2 clicks to full cock and releases with a hair- trigger
The cylinder pin was not all the way in, and I could not get it to go. Now that the cylinder is out, and some CLP added, the pin will go all the way in and release as intended.
Pretty dirty - cleaning now
Hasn't been fired for at least a decade
Yes, unloaded, (but always worth mentioning, because, ya know...).
All I've been able to do is get the gate open once to get the cylinder out and
clean it. Now its locked up again. The hammer 2 clicks to full cock and releases with a hair- trigger
The cylinder pin was not all the way in, and I could not get it to go. Now that the cylinder is out, and some CLP added, the pin will go all the way in and release as intended.
Please see replies below
Please see replies below
contender
Ruger Guru
Well, an older thread. BUT,, we'll try to help.
Go back & RE-READ needsmostuff's post. You haven't taken it apart to where you can get to the loading gate spring.
A New Model doesn't have a "half-cock position.
Get a manual,, and read how to disassemble & re-assemble that gun. The things you are describing screams that it's the loading gate spring causing your problems. They can be a bit "challenging" to work with at times. Especially if you aren't familiar with the NM actions.
Ruger will send you a manual for free too!
Go back & RE-READ needsmostuff's post. You haven't taken it apart to where you can get to the loading gate spring.
A New Model doesn't have a "half-cock position.
Get a manual,, and read how to disassemble & re-assemble that gun. The things you are describing screams that it's the loading gate spring causing your problems. They can be a bit "challenging" to work with at times. Especially if you aren't familiar with the NM actions.
Ruger will send you a manual for free too!
kean57
Single-Sixer
jpsnides,
On a New Model Blackhawk/ Super Blackhawk, you do NOT cock/touch the hammer to open the loading gate. You simply open the loading gate. That is part of the re-design that makes it a New Model.
kean57
On a New Model Blackhawk/ Super Blackhawk, you do NOT cock/touch the hammer to open the loading gate. You simply open the loading gate. That is part of the re-design that makes it a New Model.
kean57
https://ruger.com/videos.html?vid=232536694&cat=3769277
Scroll down near the bottom for SINGLE ACTION Disassembly/ Reasemble.
Scroll down near the bottom for SINGLE ACTION Disassembly/ Reasemble.
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crstrode
Blackhawk
WD40 is often the culprit in cases like this.
Hondo44
Hawkeye
Jpsnides,
And if the hammer is not down all the way the loading gate can not be opened. It's a safety lockout system completely foreign to old models.
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Consider removing the grip panels and soaking the action in a penetrating oil like Kroil fo a day or so.
Hondo44
Hawkeye
If the problem is the loading gate wishbone spring popped loose where the gate pivots, it can be pushed back into place with the tip of a screwdriver. Very simple, no disassembly required except removing cylinder.
DGW1949
Hawkeye
From post #12:
"when I bring the hammer back, I here two clicks and it's at full cock. But it I try to just go to half-cock, so I can open the gate, the hammer seems to go all the way forward without resting at half-cock."
My response:
You are working with a Ruger "New Model" action. There ain't no "half cock". You may also note that you'll need to leave the hammer down or the gate is not going to open.
DGW
"when I bring the hammer back, I here two clicks and it's at full cock. But it I try to just go to half-cock, so I can open the gate, the hammer seems to go all the way forward without resting at half-cock."
My response:
You are working with a Ruger "New Model" action. There ain't no "half cock". You may also note that you'll need to leave the hammer down or the gate is not going to open.
DGW
DeletedMember275
Hunter
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If someone forced the loading gate open with the hammer cocked, the hammer plunger is likely bent. That will hang up the gun. I learned that lesson the hard way, back in 1975.
