aquila cabri ammo?

[Duffy]

Anyone used this type of ammo? I'm guessing it's best in pistols because of the low velocity (around 400 fps). How loud is it? Could it be used without letting the neighbors know?

The reason I'm asking, I'm getting things together (gun & ammo) for a friends 12yo. daughter. Me and her dad are thinking on buying her either a rifle, or pistol. We haven't decided yet.

I'm taking her out next weekend and letting her shoot a veriety of guns so she can get an idea on each. I think she'll like my Ruger single six .22 convertible best. The Ruger Vaquero .45 with +P rounds, not so much. I'll shoot them first, and let her decide whether or not she wants to try them..

I'm looking for ammo she could use for plinking in the back yard without alerting the neighbors too much.

 

[Mobuck]

If you mean "colibri", I can offer some info.
No, it's not silent. The report will be noticed. It makes less noise than regular 22standard or high velocity in a handgun. Not recommended for use in rifles(will work if the bore is nice and smooth but chance bullet may stick causing barrel damage).
I used "Super Colibri"(slightly faster)on the trap line so I didn't ring my ears so badly. I found it not accurate enough at 10' to do what I needed and it failed to penetrate coon skulls on occasion.
About your choice of what the beginner should start on. THE BIG 45 IS ABSOLUTELY OUT OF THE QUESTION. I'd start out with a 22 rifle until the new shooter gets used to handling a firearm and managing sights and trigger.

 

[contender]

+1 to Mobuck!
Do NOT put a 45 in her hands yet. Get her comfortable shooting first & work up in calibers gradually!

 

[Duffy]

I have no intention on letting her fire the 45, I'll shot it to let her know what it can do. If she does want to try it, I'll load it with some wax bullets with shotgun primers only.

I was thinking on a rifle, but I think my friend is wanting a small pistol. Ultimately it'll be her decision as to what she wants, I'm just going to let her try different guns to see what she likes so we'll have a better idea what to get her. She's been really excited to go since we asked last weekend. Seeing her get all excited, I almost can't wait myself. .lol

 

[Uncle Howie]

The Single-Six with the Colibri or Super Colibri should be just what the doctor ordered, for this project. Yes, the neighbors will likely still know. :mrgreen:

I've shot a lot of the Super Colibri out of my Single-Sixes. I bought a couple of cases from Cheaper Than Dirt, back when they were about $8/brick shipped. That's starting to seem like a long time ago... :roll:

If you've got a Bearcat, bring that along! It might fit her "just right," or it might show that the Single-Six is a better fit.

I'd leave the .45 home. Plenty of time to demonstrate muzzle blast and recoil after she's got some good habits developed! For now, it should be all about fun, and as non-intimidating as possible.

Good for you, helping introduce a new shooter to responsible firearms use. Have a great time!

 

[Mobuck]

I feel it's safer and more effective to start a beginner with a rifle. Simple fact-rifles are easier to hit with. I also feel using a laser helps teach a new shooter. You can see what actually happens at the moment of firing by watching the movement of the laser on the target.
I've started quite a few new shooters both youngsters(my kids and others) and late teens as a shooting coach for 4-H and FFA and have turned out some very capable shooters but I've never let a first time shooter start with a handgun(not even a 22).

 

[MacEntyre]

Aguila Colibris are very quiet in a rifle. They make less noise than an air rifle. In a pistol they are still loud enough for your neighbors to notice, if you shoot more than once. Colibris get impressive speed for a 20 grain bullet, accelerated with primer only.

 

[Duffy]

Thanks for the heads up about the colibri ammo. I've got a pretty good selection of 22 ammo to I'm taking with me to use. I was curious about the colibri because I wanted to use something that I didn't need ear plugs. It makes it nicer to talk to someone wthout shouting through the earplugs.

I've got a several 22 rifles I'm taking with. A 22 pump and a lever action, 22 bolt action, 22 hornet break barrel, 22 magnum lever action. The bigger rifles & shotguns are in my dads safe in another state. They will be used on a later date after she gets a bit of range time under her belt.
I only have the single six convertible at this time for a small revolver to plink with that I'm taking.

 

[Shooter III]

The range instructor at my local range is teaching kids all the time ... so I say HOG WASH .... Taught proper grip and a decent stance and that 12-year-old will be able to handle anything, might not like it ... but she'll handle it.

 

[Uncle Howie]

The range instructor at my local range is teaching kids all the time ... so I say HOG WASH .... Taught proper grip and a decent stance and that 12-year-old will be able to handle anything, might not like it ... but she'll handle it.

That may be. Still, I see a lot of "macho" adult men with a bad flinch at my local range! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

 

[Shooter III]

The range instructor at my local range is teaching kids all the time ... so I say HOG WASH .... Taught proper grip and a decent stance and that 12-year-old will be able to handle anything, might not like it ... but she'll handle it.

That may be. Still, I see a lot of "macho" adult men with a bad flinch at my local range! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

So do I .... I'm as "Macho" as they come and I still flinch ((( LOL ))).
:lol:

 

[Duffy]

I'm going to show her the different stances, ways to hold a revolver, pistol ect., and let her figure out what works best for her. I hold my J-frame .38 S&W revolver differently than I hold the .45 Vaquero, and I hold pistols differently than revolvers. It's all in what works best for the individual. As long as your being sate, and not being stupid (I.e. copying Hollywood & gangster bs)

 

[sourdough44]

I have used that ammo a fair amount, several types. They have the one listed at 325 fps with a 20 grn slug, VERY quiet. Then they have the same slug at a listed 500, called 'Super'. I have used the super to dispatch possums, worked O.K..

I have shot this ammo with very young shooters, worked great.

 

[Duffy]

Well, I wasn't able to do as much as I was hoping, but was still able to do a little schooling & shooting. No one wanted to get up before 10, and by then, it was already almost 100*. So, he dad set an old mattress up against the fence (there was an empty field on the other side of the fence), and we sat on the back porch in the shade and shot wax bullets at a target we taped to the mattress.
First up was the 38. She was a little wild with that. So I figured she was having some difficulty with the short barrel.
Second up, the 45. Again with wax bullets, no live ammo. First few rounds she was a little wild, but was able to zero in on the target. After a few reloads, she was holding about a 3" pattern in aproximetly 25' (once she had a better stance while holding the gun).
Last, the 22 with the calibri ammo. Just like with the 45, once she held the gun properly (no bent arms) she started hitting the bullseye every shot. The calibri was about the same as with the primers we used for the wax bullets.

All in all, in was a pretty good day.

 

[Pal Val]

I started both my boys, a number of nephews, friends and friends' children on shooting over the years. I always give them a .22 rifle first. Once they get used to aligning the sights and squeezing the trigger, I'll move them up to a .22 handgun, of which I have a variety of pistols and revolvers. Once they get used to the grip, etc, then I move them up to a .380 pistol or light .38 revolver loads. Always watch and test for a flinch. For a shotgun, it's a 20ga. For contrast, I let them touch off a few .44 mag rounds, if they like. They almost always ask, and almost always tell me it's too much. I put the gun away and give them back the .38.

If you make it fun, you will have started a teenager into a lifetime of enjoyment in shooting sports.

 

[Major T]

I also favor starting them out on a rifle. My nine year old granddaughter was started out on a Red Ryder, a Christmas gift from her grandmother. After working with that trigger, we switched to her great grandfather's OLD Remington 510 single shot 22.

Then, unknown to me -but OK- Aunt Szuzu had her shooting clay piegons sith a Benelli 28 ga. She is a tall stoutly built young lady (her father is 6'5") and her family doctor predicts a six foot product. The high school basketball coach is already salivating. I think our next project will be her choice of my .22 handguns. I started her mom and aunts out on a Ruger Mk I. Strength is not a problem.

Don't overpower a kid or any novice for that matter. When her grandmother and I were newly weds, eons ago, she had an interest in shooting. I promptly killed that interest with a short magnum and a 12 Ithica 37 Featherlight. I wish I had not done that.

Bring them along slowly for a lifetime of enjoyment.

Something that is a great asset to marriage that I learned too late, but I see in my daughters, is that women who hunt, shoot, and fish are a joy to a husband with like interests. The oldest daughter and her husband have bought a small quail preserve and spend several weeks a year fly fishing. They just returned from the Carribean where Szuzu caught enough red snapper to have dinner for fourteen one evening. Husband said she cheated with a spinning rig. It does help that they each have successful small businesses. Good fun for all.

jack

 

[Duffy]

http://youtu.be/N6NpiWfftvw

I thought I recorded her shooting all 6 rounds, but only got the last 2 for some reason.

Again, we were using wax bullets on the. 38 & .45, and calibre with the .22. On the other side of the fence was an open field for probably 2 miles. The wax bullets were only accurate till about 20 feet or so.

I wanted to get her on the rifle, but wasn't able to this time.