9mm Blackhawk convertibles.....

[Stantheman1986]

... with 9mm? :) .


A bit high even at todays prices (maybe tomorrows prices though if inflation isn't curbed) One thing about reloading is for some of us, it is a 'one' time out-lay for equipment. My first single-stage (and associated scales and powder measure) I used for decades (from early 1980s). Still good as new today ... Only reason I recently bought an Iron Press (just the press) was to try out the new Hornady lock system which works great. Half twist and die locked in place. I like. Sure I added a hand priming tool, and a few odds and ends over the years, but the 'expensive' part never changed. Use the same scales, powder measure, etc. Never progressed to a progressive as my single stage is all I need for my modest shooting needs.

9mm at least offers "some" recoil and blast

I saw a guy at my LGS 2 days ago when I was picking up a new 1911, who was trading a Super Redhawk .454 in credit toward a new Anaconda because he couldn't afford .454 but .44 is cheap to shoot......so it's all relative

 

[Hankus]

9mm at least offers "some" recoil and blast

I saw a guy at my LGS 2 days ago when I was picking up a new 1911, who was trading a Super Redhawk .454 in credit toward a new Anaconda because he couldn't afford .454 but .44 is cheap to shoot......so it's all relative

Was he unaware he can shoot .45LC in the .454? .45LC isn’t “cheap” but it’s price is on par with .44 Magnum. I was the beneficiary of this point when I picked up a NIB SP101 .357 DAO snubby AND a five year old Super Redhawk in great shape for $1100 in a package deal last December.

 

[Rclark]

Was he unaware he can shoot .45LC in the .454?

Some people are recoil 'junkies' and the '.45 COLT' maybe was to mild for him. So bought a .44 Magnum instead :) .

 

[Stantheman1986]

Was he unaware he can shoot .45LC in the .454? .45LC isn’t “cheap” but it’s price is on par with .44 Magnum. I was the beneficiary of this point when I picked up a NIB SP101 .357 DAO snubby AND a five year old Super Redhawk in great shape for $1100 in a package deal last December.

He probably doesn't handload , and was looking for a reason to get a new toy , so he can walk around the gun club showing off his new Colt that's a downgrade in every way to the SRH he traded :)

 

[vincewarde]

Lots of 9mms slug at or near .357

AS others have mentioned, there is a .002 difference - in theory - between the bore diameter of 9mm (.355) and .38/.357 (.357) = BUT.... there is reality.

My wife and I have a bunch of 9mms and I case bullets for all of them. Of course, I have to "slug" each barrel to size bullets for them. Fact is, many 9mms are overbore. Many slug to .357 or very slightly under. The only barrels we have the slug to the .355 spec are three target barrels.

So, with a .357 barrel, a Blackhawk firing 9mm should be able to be at least as accurate as a typical 9mm with a stock barrel - unless there is another issue.

 

[Stantheman1986]

Lots of 9mms slug at or near .357

AS others have mentioned, there is a .002 difference - in theory - between the bore diameter of 9mm (.355) and .38/.357 (.357) = BUT.... there is reality.

My wife and I have a bunch of 9mms and I case bullets for all of them. Of course, I have to "slug" each barrel to size bullets for them. Fact is, many 9mms are overbore. Many slug to .357 or very slightly under. The only barrels we have the slug to the .355 spec are three target barrels.

So, with a .357 barrel, a Blackhawk firing 9mm should be able to be at least as accurate as a typical 9mm with a stock barrel - unless there is another issue.

This makes sense , it's just mass produced firearm spec overlap......as long as they shoot within a "standard" they are serviceable

I'd imagine the more expensive brands like Sig probably have more consistent barrel sizing vs something like a Taurus 9mm

My 357-9 Convertible I just fired is a little more accurate than my other one, just law of averages, it probably has a little tighter bore

Mass Produced "budget" firearms makers know most end users can barely keep them inside a basketball sized group at 10 yards so bores don't have to be precise.....tighter QC and scrapping slightly oversized barrels costs money

I don't know if Ruger test fires at a target but CZ provides a factory target to verify the gun can shoot to standard

 

[vincewarde]

This makes sense , it's just mass produced firearm spec overlap......as long as they shoot within a "standard" they are serviceable

I'd imagine the more expensive brands like Sig probably have more consistent barrel sizing vs something like a Taurus 9mm

My 357-9 Convertible I just fired is a little more accurate than my other one, just law of averages, it probably has a little tighter bore

Mass Produced "budget" firearms makers know most end users can barely keep them inside a basketball sized group at 10 yards so bores don't have to be precise.....tighter QC and scrapping slightly oversized barrels costs money

I don't know if Ruger test fires at a target but CZ provides a factory target to verify the gun can shoot to standard

Actually what I have heard is that ammo specs can vary widely around the world and people can let bores get very dirty before cleaning. It seems that most manufacturers believe that a thousandth or two of extra space is a good safety margin - and makes little difference with jacketed ammo. Certainly not enough to really notice, as you mention, given the typical shooter's skill level.

 

[Stantheman1986]

Actually what I have heard is that ammo specs can vary widely around the world and people can let bores get very dirty before cleaning. It seems that most manufacturers believe that a thousandth or two of extra space is a good safety margin - and makes little difference with jacketed ammo. Certainly not enough to really notice, as you mention, given the typical shooter's skill level.

It's the old practice for military revolvers and pistols, and also rifles , to build in a little "slop" to account for rushed production wartime ammo and dirt from lack of cleaning and field use

I used to buy that garbage Pakistani Ordnance Factory POF 9mm years ago when it was dirt cheap ( also known as POS ammo by shooters ) and it would only work well in sloppier 9mm pistols like a Norinco 9mm Tokarev I had. I'm guessing Pakistan used it in clapped out Hi Powers

Plus previously, almost everyone used cheap stuff like Tulammo which was probably less than precise as far as bullet and case specs so it wasn't conducive for gunmakers to make super tight 9mm pistols unless they were high end match pistols

Ruger has said they use heavier than necessary springs in their revolvers and make them a bit generously fitted because they know some customers will use the cheapest crap they can find and not really clean them so it's better to dummy proof them . Also overseas police contracts where they are using ammo made on a dirt floor and guns are never cleaned

 

[gramps]

In 2010, I was going through a divorce. While perusing the local pawnshop, I found a LEE single stage press for $30. I had been reloading since 2008 with a LEE hand loader. I also found a RUGER New Model Blackhawk with the 6.5 inch barrel for $250. Later I found in our classifieds a 9 mm cylinder for a NM Blackhawk, and it dropped right in. It shoots ok, but I prefer the .357 magnum. I don’t shoot a lot, and my stocks remain high because I scored on a couple of estate sales that had powder, projectiles, primers, and brass. I paid more than I needed to, but I wasn’t going stab my friends grieving mother in the back. I still didn’t pay LGS prices. Hand loading takes time, patience, and FOCUS. I have a permanent set up, for .44 mag/spcl, .357 mag/spcl. I had a .45 Colt and reloaded for it, but sold it to a friend. I like my Rugers!!!
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