410 gnr conversion

[Blackhawk48044]

Anybody out there know if a super Blackhawk chambered in 41 mag can be converted to a 410 gnr by just installing a 454 casull cylinder?

 

[Laserbait]

Wouldn't work. The 410 GNR is a bottleneck case, and the case shoulder has to be supported, otherwise it'd just blow out to a straight wall case after firing. Also assuming that the bullet even finds it's way to the barrel, I'd expect the accuracy to be awful.

 

[Blackhawk48044]

Yeah, didn't think bout that. Do you see any advantage in that caliber to make a $1500 investment worth it?

 

[MaxP]

I don't think so. If you want to step up in terminal performance, I believe it is better to increase the caliber than merely speeding up the existing caliber. JMHO. However, if that is what you want, don't let anyone talk you out of it.

 

[Laserbait]

It's really neat to have a custom gun done for you, even if it's just a caliber conversion. But $1500 is a bunch of money that could go into buying other guns or reloading equipment. That also brings up reloading - you'll need to reload for the 410 GNR.

I would never tell a person "Don't do that" when it comes to custom guns, so if it speaks to you and you "Gotta have it!", then the money is well spent.

As far as the performance of the round itself, I don't think that it really does anything that much better than the existing rounds that the Blackhawk is chambered in. And if you already have a Blackhawk in 41 Mag, I'd just leave it alone as I think the 41's are somewhat rare and a discontinued frequently (a Vlackhawk guru will know more about this, as I prefer Redhawks). I'd buy another Blackhawk in a larger caliber if I needed more power.

 

[Laserbait]

Also, I like to relate this story when it comes to custom guns:

I bought a 5.5" 357 Mag Redhawk for $450 a few years ago. How'd I get it so cheap? The owner previous to me had the 357 Bain and Davis conversion done on it, and custom mounts machined into the frame for the Ultradot & rings. Moral of the story, you typically never get your money back out of a custom gun, so plan on holding on to it and passing it down to your kids.

 

[MaxP]

Moral of the story, you typically never get your money back out of a custom gun, so plan on holding on to it and passing it down to your kids.

Have to disagree with this point. I always get my money back on customs. It depends on who builds it, but they hold their value remarkably well and losses are often minimal. You have to factor in that when a gun is finished and for sale, the prospect of not having to wait for years factors in to the sale. JMHO.

 

[Blackhawk48044]

I wasn't sure if it was that much better than the 41. I'm looking for something for elk hunting, I have a 480 ruger that I love but here it's not enough for elk and moose, and I can't afford a 475 linebaugh. The gnr sight said the 410 was good enough for heavy dangerous game.

 

[MaxP]

I'm looking for something for elk hunting, I have a 480 ruger that I love but here it's not enough for elk and moose

What do you mean by this? Not enough what? The .480 Ruger is a much bigger hammer than any .41. If you have a .480, you can hunt the world with it. Here's a 1,500 lb water buffalo I killed in Argentina with a .480 Ruger SRH. They are more than enough for elk and moose.

 

[Blackhawk48044]

Wow that's one hell of a kill. I feel like it would be enough but my friends with 454 casulls say it's not enough especially out near 100 yards. I don't care for the 454 I like my 480 and 44 mag.

 

[MaxP]

Wow that's one hell of a kill. I feel like it would be enough but my friends with 454 casulls say it's not enough especially out near 100 yards. I don't care for the 454 I like my 480 and 44 mag.

I have killed a truckload of game with both the .454 and .480 and I prefer the .480. It's a bit easier on the shooter (to include the shooter's ears), and it makes bigger holes. Keep in mind that you can get near .475 Linebaugh performance out of the .480, but you don't need to push it so hard for it to work. Just don't settle for the 325 grain factory loads that are available.

Shoot, you have one of the better big-game hunting caliber/revolver combinations available commercially. Look no further.

 

[Blackhawk48044]

So far I'm shooting factory loads but gonna start loading my own. I see where 425 @ 1200fps is almost linebaugh level, should be enough for elk.

 

[MaxP]

So far I'm shooting factory loads but gonna start loading my own. I see where 425 @ 1200fps is almost linebaugh level, should be enough for elk.

Plenty for elk. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise.

 

[CraigC]

Two things.....

First, the .480 is plenty for elk and moose. It's plenty for bigger critters than that. It's a bigger hammer than ANY .41 and even the .454. I've been shooting a 355gr TrueShot at 1400fps out of mine and would not hesitate to use it on elk or moose.

Second, custom guns built by known gunsmiths never lose money. You can watch the classifieds right here and see custom guns routinely going for full replacement cost.

For more perspective, here's an 1800lb critter and the .44Mag I took him with.

 

[Blackhawk48044]

Looks like I might get a super RedHawk to compliment my super Blackhawk. Those are amazing animals. Thanks for all the great input.

 

[Blackhawk48044]

What distance did you take that big critter at?

 

[CraigC]

First shot was probably 35yds.

 

[Blackhawk48044]

I'm guessing not factory loads either. What scope is that?

 

[MaxP]

I'm guessing not factory loads either. What scope is that?

Ultradot 30 and definitely hand loads. I was standing next to him when he shot it.

 

[CraigC]

Nope, handload with the 355gr Beartooth WLN at about 1250fps. As Max said, UltraDot 30.

Here's the crime scene shot, which has been stuck on my phone for a month.

 

[Dave P.]

Two things.....

First, the .480 is plenty for elk and moose. It's plenty for bigger critters than that. It's a bigger hammer than ANY .41 and even the .454. I've been shooting a 355gr TrueShot at 1400fps out of mine and would not hesitate to use it on elk or moose.

Second, custom guns built by known gunsmiths never lose money. You can watch the classifieds right here and see custom guns routinely going for full replacement cost.

For more perspective, here's an 1800lb critter and the .44Mag I took him with.

Did you have to get the rider off before you shot that cow?

http://www.premierlonghorns.com/RidingLonghorns.html

Dave :lol: :lol:

 

[CraigC]

I don't think you would've wanted to ride that dude, for more than 8 seconds anyway. He didn't care too much for being hunted either.

 

[2 dogs]

I wasn't sure if it was that much better than the 41. I'm looking for something for elk hunting, I have a 480 ruger that I love but here it's not enough for elk and moose, and I can't afford a 475 linebaugh. The gnr sight said the 410 was good enough for heavy dangerous game.

My 410 GNR while extremely accurate it was only 100 fps faster than my 41 magnums. My barrel was 5 1/2" long so I don't know how a longer barrel would fare. I really think that particular round would do much better in a T/C Encore.