Mr Mosin on The High Road forum just last week referenced the previous steel 32 hrrs as being pietta's. I do not hafta make this stuff up.
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Kid? Is that your attempt to be dismissive or insulting? I'm not ranting. I'm having a conversation with someone posting a lot of information that not true. If the facts were on your side, you wouldn't have to deflect with insults, or try to dismiss my statements as "rants".
The new .32 looks exactly like the .22's and the old .32. Whatever design tweaks may or may not have been made are irrelevant.
The .32's are the same as the .22's and have never been made by Pietta. Now or ever. Period.
Pietta made the .45's as complete guns, just as they did for Traditions.
I said there were no .410 SAA's and that remains true.
I don't know what references you're seeing that Pietta supplied steel frames for the earlier .32's and you have yet to post a reference. I call fake news on it. If you need Gunblast or any other article to tell you where the steel rimfire frames came from, maybe you're the one I should call "kid". They're identical to the zinc frames and they use a very soft, cheap low carbon alloy, 12L14. And I'm not having to use Google to have this conversation.
The new .32 looks exactly like the .22's and the old .32. Whatever design tweaks may or may not have been made are irrelevant.
The .32's are the same as the .22's and have never been made by Pietta. Now or ever. Period.
Pietta made the .45's as complete guns, just as they did for Traditions.
I said there were no .410 SAA's and that remains true.
I don't know what references you're seeing that Pietta supplied steel frames for the earlier .32's and you have yet to post a reference. I call fake news on it. If you need Gunblast or any other article to tell you where the steel rimfire frames came from, maybe you're the one I should call "kid". They're identical to the zinc frames and they use a very soft, cheap low carbon alloy, 12L14. And I'm not having to use Google to have this conversation.
Mr Mosin is a kid that owns few guns.
Kid. Bub. Mac. Dude, yer the one who referenced gunblast, so i thought you held it as some unimpeachable authotity. And it is rantisch to dismiss another's research and use such extremist views as Only and Never and Irrelavant To The Discussion. Plus, ya keep getting yer arguments confused. I did not state the pietta .45s were assembled here, but by referencing "piettas" in the statement on the steel .22s and not excluding the 357 and 45 steel piettas (which i have seen mentioned as assembled,as well as reading those who state they are wholly imported) i can understand your confusion.
And, the 7/8 scale revolvers arent true saa replicas, either; there's sass needing to make a ruling on thrir admissability due to their thumb-safety. so; "whatever design tweaks may or not have been made are irrelevant"? Such a broad and authoritarian statement thus includes bfr's an the 410 which, not knowing how to use google due to some silly aversion (bing i should use? Chatgpt? Grok?) you knew nothing about until i mentioned. I bid on a 410 on ebay some years back but it got pulled (even ebay has rules) but i had known about them already, some old magazine or other.
How can you be such a dismissive-of-all-other's-knowledge knowitall without google? How did you get here without google? It is a common reference, and full of the most interesting things, as well as errors and fabrications, but so is washington post and wsj.
And you, who object to " kid", so dismisdive of another fella on another website as a kid? Your amusement value isnt gone yet. Others here would click the ignore on you already.
Dont think i am ignoring you if i dont reply immediately to anything else you come up with. gotta go drive that ol' truck, now
And, the 7/8 scale revolvers arent true saa replicas, either; there's sass needing to make a ruling on thrir admissability due to their thumb-safety. so; "whatever design tweaks may or not have been made are irrelevant"? Such a broad and authoritarian statement thus includes bfr's an the 410 which, not knowing how to use google due to some silly aversion (bing i should use? Chatgpt? Grok?) you knew nothing about until i mentioned. I bid on a 410 on ebay some years back but it got pulled (even ebay has rules) but i had known about them already, some old magazine or other.
How can you be such a dismissive-of-all-other's-knowledge knowitall without google? How did you get here without google? It is a common reference, and full of the most interesting things, as well as errors and fabrications, but so is washington post and wsj.
And you, who object to " kid", so dismisdive of another fella on another website as a kid? Your amusement value isnt gone yet. Others here would click the ignore on you already.
Dont think i am ignoring you if i dont reply immediately to anything else you come up with. gotta go drive that ol' truck, now
Whatta thread! 
Yes, i see where my error was; I tried to enlighten a fellow who discounts the statements of such luminaries as john taffin and la vista bill. I spent some breaktime discovering a nice assortment of online references to, mostly, pietta-built 357 and 45 rough riders, and including the 410, being either totally built by pietta or assembled in ol' floridy, but he likely wont accept them because i used google. I had fun, and it was interesting. Now im gonna online a pair of steel .22 hrrs for half the price of a new singlesix. I have also been waiting a few days for my first wrangler to arrive at my ffl, a nnib 3-3/4 birdshead. I drive this truck so i can buy guns. I buy guns, so i hafta drive this truck.
I referenced Gunblast because I remembered their review from over 20yrs ago. Nothing more. You're reading way too much into that.
I made a holster for Taffin and think it was La Vista Bill that I talked to about doing a rig for, before GOTW went belly up. Well familiar with both gents and their work. Not sure how that's relevant here. I'm sure neither has claimed that Pietta built .22 or .32 frames for Heritage.
Mr. Mosin is a kid, I am not. Mr. Mosin owns very few guns. I own nearly 100 single actions.
That .410 'thing' is not a SAA replica. Nor is the BFR. Neither is relevant to this discussion either. The .357 and .45Colt Rough Riders are wholly made by Pietta. The .410 is not.
I have no aversion to Google. I just don't tend to use Google to have an argument based on facts I'm already in possession of. There's a difference between knowledge and wisdom. If I'm dismissing your knowledge, it's because you're wrong. Putting me on ignore won't change that.
Looks to me like the article says they're made in the US. Which means in Miami, by Heritage. Not Pietta. In which case, it would have markings that reflected it as such. You have yet to provide any references stating that the .32's were made by Pietta.
Nope, they just say Heritage Miami. Because they were made by Heritage Mfg. In Miami.
You claimed the .410 was made by Pietta. Yet, it has a ZAMAK frame and says made in Miami. Why would they need Pietta to produce a ZAMAK frame based on their design that they already produce? So nearly everything you've posted is incorrect, including your personal comments. You've done nothing but post misinformation from others.
I made a holster for Taffin and think it was La Vista Bill that I talked to about doing a rig for, before GOTW went belly up. Well familiar with both gents and their work. Not sure how that's relevant here. I'm sure neither has claimed that Pietta built .22 or .32 frames for Heritage.
Mr. Mosin is a kid, I am not. Mr. Mosin owns very few guns. I own nearly 100 single actions.
That .410 'thing' is not a SAA replica. Nor is the BFR. Neither is relevant to this discussion either. The .357 and .45Colt Rough Riders are wholly made by Pietta. The .410 is not.
I have no aversion to Google. I just don't tend to use Google to have an argument based on facts I'm already in possession of. There's a difference between knowledge and wisdom. If I'm dismissing your knowledge, it's because you're wrong. Putting me on ignore won't change that.
Looks to me like the article says they're made in the US. Which means in Miami, by Heritage. Not Pietta. In which case, it would have markings that reflected it as such. You have yet to provide any references stating that the .32's were made by Pietta.
Nope, they just say Heritage Miami. Because they were made by Heritage Mfg. In Miami.
You claimed the .410 was made by Pietta. Yet, it has a ZAMAK frame and says made in Miami. Why would they need Pietta to produce a ZAMAK frame based on their design that they already produce? So nearly everything you've posted is incorrect, including your personal comments. You've done nothing but post misinformation from others.
So. I did not claim the 410 was steel, or zamak, or built in flordy or italy. I did mention others thought so. The taffin was for the fun of it, but that one dosent mention parts or assembly origins.
If that 410 and the bfr are nor saa replicas, neither are the oversized looks-like-a-colt sauers and rugers, nor their undersized offrrrings or anybody else's. There is a bell article on the hrrs and their pietta parts origin, but i dident put it up because you dident want me using google. Or mentioning pietta
If that 410 and the bfr are nor saa replicas, neither are the oversized looks-like-a-colt sauers and rugers, nor their undersized offrrrings or anybody else's. There is a bell article on the hrrs and their pietta parts origin, but i dident put it up because you dident want me using google. Or mentioning pietta
Since the gca'68, assembly in florida of assembled parts has been enough for fie/eig/heritage to put made in florida on them. I have and have had german and italian copycolts in zamak; sauer, schmidt, and tanfoglio. Schmidt apparently originated the zamak cartridge pistol, having begun with starter pistols, and heritage bought the maschines from schmidt when he died. They have evolved over the years to what they are today. If bell says they imported steel pietta bits, i have been reading his stuff longer than yours, i feel more comfortable with his statements, which i found in a magazine article on [google].
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It shoots really well. Ended up installing a fiber optic front sight to help my old eyes! It’s the best deal I’ve ever seen on a quality firearm. At $300, it’s half the price of a single six.
If it shoots high, why do i keep finding intetnet experts say to file on the front sight?
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Except Bell didn't say that. He wrote the article I posted a screenshot of above. What are you talking about???
The Taffin article was on the SAA replicas, which are made by Pietta and imported as finished guns. Do you even know the difference?
There is no Pietta connection to the Heritage .32's and you can't connect those dots. There is ZERO evidence to support this claim, only your goofy assumptions that make no sense.
Heritage lacks the capability to blue parts. That's why their guns are spray painted. So if it comes from Pietta like the SAA replicas, it comes as a finished gun and would be required to have import/maker markings.
There are also no centerfire SAA replicas (CopyColts) with ZAMAK frames. Only the garbage .22LR made by Chiappa.
Really?
Nothing but goofy posts of misinformation 'should' prompt folks to set it straight. The problem with the internet is that people can post whatever nonsense they want and claim it's fact.
Well I have no dog in this hunt and I have no knowledge as to the actual manufacturer of the Heritage Arms guns, nor do I know which of you is correct. Your explanation , however, sounds more reasoned and orderly. Having said that none of this is relevant to the OPs post.
Firstly, gunblast 2/4/2006 bell states that the big bore rough rider is produced in the heritage factory using parts imported from pietta of italy.
Having been most of 2 decades since i came across it several times, i still cannot find anybody else to quote for you that you might accept. But as i said, it was written several times that the early 32s were pietta parts.
At least this corrects your blanket statement that they were imported compleat. They may have been, but he says these (early ones) are assembled.
Secondly; did i say taffin said they were assembled? I did not. I said i put up his article for the fun if it. But the bell article abovementioned, states the bigbore boys were assembled in florida.
Re; the 32s, thats not my assumption, but the fact that i can only find online mentions after all these years supports my contention that it had been said they were imported pietta frames, but you would likely dismiss them as anything else i find, since i havent yet found a magazine mention.
Thirdly; "heritage lacks the ability to blue parts"
"American rifleman3/17/21. ARTV: the making if heritage revolvers", states the barrels start off as blanks that are drilled, cut, and rifled beforebeing finished and paired with a reciever" and, the cylinders are also stated as being finished and paired with a reciever. It does not state that they are sent out for the finish (blueing), nor does it admit they lack the ability to blue anything themselves.
Quote from the video; "the heritage frame is an interesting part to make. All of the frames start as a raw casting that we bring in and do all if the cnc precision machining on them..." hmmm, where do they "bring them in" from? Implies not made in-house. Even moving to the taurus plant only allows them to make more of it in-haus, a curious statement re; heritage.
As for the "no centerfire saa replicas (copycolts ) with zamak frames with zamak frames" ( holy projection, batman! I dident say that!) You then confuse yourself ny mentioning the chiappa thingie, which is rimfire.
I did not state the 410 was zamak, nor imported; i stated that i had seen and read where it was alleged. They are not my allegations, and the origins seem to be lost in the mojobaki of the algorerythms. But you piqued my interest in searching, rather than being content to casually run across it. Holy smokes, boy; must i cite and crossreference everything i ever heard going back into the 60s just to satisfy some people who cannot even look it up for themselves?
Am ready to believe, now, that you are probably as old as you want me to think you are. You are still entertaining, but i cannot feel comfortable trusting your blanket statements of always and not and never, especially when what i have read elsewhere, and referenced here, conflicts with your authoritative slant. Rather like the trolls i find elsewhere, if i cannot cite it to your sufficient satisfaction then i have fabricated it or misremembered it. Phui. And i wont be putting you on ignore; as i said, i still find you entertaining.
Having been most of 2 decades since i came across it several times, i still cannot find anybody else to quote for you that you might accept. But as i said, it was written several times that the early 32s were pietta parts.
At least this corrects your blanket statement that they were imported compleat. They may have been, but he says these (early ones) are assembled.
Secondly; did i say taffin said they were assembled? I did not. I said i put up his article for the fun if it. But the bell article abovementioned, states the bigbore boys were assembled in florida.
Re; the 32s, thats not my assumption, but the fact that i can only find online mentions after all these years supports my contention that it had been said they were imported pietta frames, but you would likely dismiss them as anything else i find, since i havent yet found a magazine mention.
Thirdly; "heritage lacks the ability to blue parts"
"American rifleman3/17/21. ARTV: the making if heritage revolvers", states the barrels start off as blanks that are drilled, cut, and rifled beforebeing finished and paired with a reciever" and, the cylinders are also stated as being finished and paired with a reciever. It does not state that they are sent out for the finish (blueing), nor does it admit they lack the ability to blue anything themselves.
Quote from the video; "the heritage frame is an interesting part to make. All of the frames start as a raw casting that we bring in and do all if the cnc precision machining on them..." hmmm, where do they "bring them in" from? Implies not made in-house. Even moving to the taurus plant only allows them to make more of it in-haus, a curious statement re; heritage.
As for the "no centerfire saa replicas (copycolts ) with zamak frames with zamak frames" ( holy projection, batman! I dident say that!) You then confuse yourself ny mentioning the chiappa thingie, which is rimfire.
I did not state the 410 was zamak, nor imported; i stated that i had seen and read where it was alleged. They are not my allegations, and the origins seem to be lost in the mojobaki of the algorerythms. But you piqued my interest in searching, rather than being content to casually run across it. Holy smokes, boy; must i cite and crossreference everything i ever heard going back into the 60s just to satisfy some people who cannot even look it up for themselves?
Am ready to believe, now, that you are probably as old as you want me to think you are. You are still entertaining, but i cannot feel comfortable trusting your blanket statements of always and not and never, especially when what i have read elsewhere, and referenced here, conflicts with your authoritative slant. Rather like the trolls i find elsewhere, if i cannot cite it to your sufficient satisfaction then i have fabricated it or misremembered it. Phui. And i wont be putting you on ignore; as i said, i still find you entertaining.
Interesting how the guns magazine article with taffin says,
Heritage manufacturing is importing pietta parts and assembling rough riders 45 colt single action sixguns in this country...
Again, i dont hafta make up stuff; "its out there"
adit; so, both taffin and bell say the 45s were imported as parts. Still wish i could find those imported steel 22 and 32 parts mentions.
Heritage manufacturing is importing pietta parts and assembling rough riders 45 colt single action sixguns in this country...
Again, i dont hafta make up stuff; "its out there"
adit; so, both taffin and bell say the 45s were imported as parts. Still wish i could find those imported steel 22 and 32 parts mentions.
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You're too inconsistent from post to post to continue to refute every erroneous thing you write. You've contradicted yourself so many times, I can't keep up with it.
For example, I've already pointed out that the .410 frame is ZAMAK, it's in the pic YOU posted.
This is another perfect example of what I'm talking about. You're having to Google and grasping at straws to try and win this argument. I don't. These are things I know, because sixguns are my 'thing'. Even the cheap ones I care nothing about, like Heritage.
Colt and Freedom Arms contract out for their raw frame forgings and castings. "Bringing in frames" proves nothing. They spray paint their guns, that's not opinion or a guess. It's a fact.
Pietta had nothing to do with the .32 frames. Period. I don't care what you think you read somewhere 20yrs ago and now can't seem to find. It's false.
This is the only gun Pietta had anything to do with. It's simply a rebadged SAA replica, like those they make for Taylor's, Cimarron, Dixie Gun Works, EMF, etc.. See where Roy Huntington aged this Heritage Big Bore? What does the barrel say?
So. You ignore taffin and bell on assembled pietta 45s.. And i did NOT say the 410 was zamak.i also did NOT state that it wasent. I merely referenced it as an hrr, and put it up when you doubted its existence. Did i say bringing in parts made a point? I say it makes a non-point, but raises a query; where did they bring them in from? You are the one saying they are in-house, no outside parts. Semantics. If they are brought in, they are not made in-house, they are ipso facto outside parts. So colt brought in parts. How does that support your contention re; hrr, when you state hrr dosent/didrnt bring in outside parts? There are steelframe hrrs that do NOT have their origin on the frame. I have had german revolvers which have american address on the frame, and germany on the barrel, but they were pre gca'68, and were not assembled here, so needed their origin on them.
I dident know the blueing on hrrs is a spraypaint, it acts like every other blued gun i have ever had, but the treatment on the zamak parts sticks better than about any other paint i have seen on metal.
Win the argument? I sai i have read and heard a thing, and you say i am wrong because i am making it up, so i ask google does anybody else remember this, and i get websites and magazine articles. Not like i am taking it off of google ai; that keeps popping up, and amusingly evolved, changing from no piettaparts, to yes pietta parts, but i am not going with what google ai says, i look for magazine articles and find forums with interesting things but not yet much support. I expect, tho, that when i do find it, it wont be an authority you will accept. I dident start this argument; i said a thing, and you proceeded to impose your Believe Only Me schtick.
I dident know the blueing on hrrs is a spraypaint, it acts like every other blued gun i have ever had, but the treatment on the zamak parts sticks better than about any other paint i have seen on metal.
Win the argument? I sai i have read and heard a thing, and you say i am wrong because i am making it up, so i ask google does anybody else remember this, and i get websites and magazine articles. Not like i am taking it off of google ai; that keeps popping up, and amusingly evolved, changing from no piettaparts, to yes pietta parts, but i am not going with what google ai says, i look for magazine articles and find forums with interesting things but not yet much support. I expect, tho, that when i do find it, it wont be an authority you will accept. I dident start this argument; i said a thing, and you proceeded to impose your Believe Only Me schtick.
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Hmmm... on the1/6/26 thread "rough rider 45 colt" mr gyj44 dident bother to land on s4su for saying the rr45 was assembled here from imported parts, tho he was active on the same thread. If i could stop laughing long enough to think like a paranoiac, i could say hes picking on me...
Whatta thread!
Yes, it is!
It’s exactly the kind of thread that I used to see on many of the “other” firearms forums…
The absence of threads resembling a urinating competition is what drew me to (and kept me at!) RugerForum.com.
I’m sure that our two protagonists in this thread are fine fellows. Maybe they’ll just “agree to disagree?”
I’ll likely never know, as I’m about to avail myself of the “Ignore thread” button in 3…2…1…
I dislike people telling me i am wrong, ignore my evidence, accuse me of making things up (merely because they havent seen and read what i have seen and read) and dont bother to put up any to back their own claims, and argue with my posted evidence. Cant get away with pointing out they are wrong, never mind trying to open their eyes or mind. But, they still make me laugh, so, no harm done.
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Just keeps getting better. 
Whenever any single-action "cowboy style" revolver shows up it will eventually be referred to as a "SAA" or sometimes "saa" and some folks will take this to mean it's an actual Colt Single Action Army or a replica or copy thereof. This whether the guns (or parts) were manufactured in the USA or elsewhere, and assembled wherever. We can usually count on various folks to discuss this situation with various forms of personal experience or research, hopefully -- but not always -- in civil manner. Occasionally it will get a little more "interesting" as we see here. As far as I'm concerned it's either a Colt or it isn't. The others have their own interest.
I always find these threads interesting and even educational. This one sorta fills both categories.
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Whenever any single-action "cowboy style" revolver shows up it will eventually be referred to as a "SAA" or sometimes "saa" and some folks will take this to mean it's an actual Colt Single Action Army or a replica or copy thereof. This whether the guns (or parts) were manufactured in the USA or elsewhere, and assembled wherever. We can usually count on various folks to discuss this situation with various forms of personal experience or research, hopefully -- but not always -- in civil manner. Occasionally it will get a little more "interesting" as we see here. As far as I'm concerned it's either a Colt or it isn't. The others have their own interest.
I always find these threads interesting and even educational. This one sorta fills both categories.
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Hey, i try...Just keeps getting better.
Whenever any single-action "cowboy style" revolver shows up it will eventually be referred to as a "SAA" or sometimes "saa" and some folks will take this to mean it's an actual Colt Single Action Army or a replica or copy thereof. This whether the guns (or parts) were manufactured in the USA or elsewhere, and assembled wherever. We can usually count on various folks to discuss this situation with various forms of personal experience or research, hopefully -- but not always -- in civil manner. Occasionally it will get a little more "interesting" as we see here. As far s I'm concerned it's either a Colt or it isn't. The others have their own interest.
I always find these threads interesting and even educational. This one sorta fills both categories.
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Have you looked into Cimmaron? I'm sure they are Italian made, but supposedly to the original specs, including markings, and are often used by reenactors/movie studios for accurate weapons portrayal.
They are fairly priced.
Around here they are sold at DEGuns.
You can shop online at https://www.deguns.com/
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Maybe you should use Grok.com instead.
Grok? Innat the one that sterted praising hitler and elion had to whack it upside its head?
Iirc, when i looked into a nice pair of birdshead'd scout-sized 6x38 saa types, the salesman kept calling them cimarron stallions, but then the covid hit and the price doubled while on backorder so i let them go.
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