Does everyone complain about taking a drivers' test???
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It's not about taking a test, it's about education and keep in mind what I'm talking about is everyone...not just folks who want to own or carry a gun but EVERYONE... and actually everyone does have to take multiple test for their other rights. ... at least way back when I was going to school we did... it was part of our education. So, I don't see why the 2nd amendment with hands on training should not be a part of everyone's education.
as for the drivers test... I agree, even though the argument is that is not a right, to drive, but a privilege.... the problem is most of the people I see on the road need much more than a test. Which is actually a good argument as to why most people should not have the right to own a gun. If you can't drive responsibly then you surely don't have the wear with all to be responsible with a gun.
as for the drivers test... I agree, even though the argument is that is not a right, to drive, but a privilege.... the problem is most of the people I see on the road need much more than a test. Which is actually a good argument as to why most people should not have the right to own a gun. If you can't drive responsibly then you surely don't have the wear with all to be responsible with a gun.
GunnyGene
Hawkeye
You technically have to have liability insurance for a car also. So are you also ok with mandating insurance to own a gun? How about mandating retention holster designs (seat belts)? Are you ok with limiting ammo capacity? Caliber? Rate of fire? Among the many other requirements/limitations government has promulgated or proposed? When is enough, enough?
How much control over your life are you willing to surrender to the government, in exchange for some perceived level of safety?
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My take on 1A:
Before there WAS a declaration of independence or a constitution, people living in North America (aka USA) had the right to carry a weapon and there was nothing to stop them. THAT scenario ("the Original State") describes the inalienable right that is specified in 1A - a right that existed before there was a government and which 1A confirmed could not be taken away.
Written tests, carry permits, etc. do NOT comport to the Original State.
Before there WAS a declaration of independence or a constitution, people living in North America (aka USA) had the right to carry a weapon and there was nothing to stop them. THAT scenario ("the Original State") describes the inalienable right that is specified in 1A - a right that existed before there was a government and which 1A confirmed could not be taken away.
Written tests, carry permits, etc. do NOT comport to the Original State.
I would rather that people be required to pass a "Civics" test before they can vote to be sure they know what or who they are voting for. Most kids getting out of school couldn't even pass the citizenship test that immigrants have to take to become a citizen.
And just an anecdotal personal account, I was in my Jr. High Rifle Club In 1961, Long Island NY. After school, I would go home, get my rifle & box o ammo, case it up and ride back to the school with it in the basket of my bike. The range was in the basement of the school. I rode passed a police booth & would wave at the cop if one was there. Same on the way home after our shooting session. Never was a problem then.
"It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone."
Not doing anything more than asking what "interstate or foreign commerce" means in this law?
Not doing anything more than asking what "interstate or foreign commerce" means in this law?
And what DUIs, speeding violations, high speed chases, reckless driving incidents, etc, has testing stopped?
Speed limit here in FL is 70. Our county sheriff announced that last year his officers arrested 260+ for doing over 100mph & weaving in & out of traffic. I'm sure those drivers were tested, both written & practical.
Posted by the CORNELL LAW SCHOOL. What's wrong with that?
GasGuzzler
Hunter
I don't complain but I know it's not about competency. It's about the fee. All licensing is nothing but a tax. Ever seen someone with a driver license that cannot safely drive? I have. Ever seen a building permit for a structure or project that should not exist? I have. Ever seen someone with an LTC that has no business with a firearm? Yep, I have seen that too. Licenses are WORTHLESS and a way the Man gets your money and information.
Driving is not an enumerated right in the Bill of Rights.
At what point is someone being a threat to themselves and everyone around them a factor? My standard would be 10rnds 10seconds all in target at 25yds.
GunnyGene
Hawkeye
Exactly. It's a personal decision based on the immediate circumstances, not a decision to be made by a 3rd party who is not involved.
Coopers philosophy is also reflected in MS Statute 97-3-15 (Justifiable Homicide), as described in a recently passed bill that created the MS School Safety Guardian Act:
Mississippi SB2079 | 2023 | Regular Session
Bill Text (2023-04-11) MS School Safety Guardian Act; create. [Approved by Governor]
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John in WYO
Single-Sixer
So here's yet another question.
If we truly have a National Insta-Check System (NICS), why can't One buy a pistol while on vacation in another state and leave the store with it?
codebreaker
Single-Sixer
I don't know how many times I have heard that. Well, I call BS. I don't commit felonies on a daily basis. I suspect that most of the country is perfectly able to function without committing felonies on a daily basis. But if you want people to be submissive in the presence of law enforcement, it helps to have contrivances such as that.
Yes.. "shall not be infringed" A "test" or "instruction" to exercise my RIGHT is no different then having to take "speech instruction" to exercise your first amendment.. If someone dosnt feel they can operate thier firearm, then dont carry it.. If you mess up while carrying, then yull face whatever lawsuit encures if you accidentally remove Aunt Millys wig, with the top of her head still in it.. OOOPS!
We have constitutional carry here, and not heard ANY accidents yet.. Runs smooth here..
I notice that often folks here are complaining about how bad our education system is .... let's just get rid of it. Stop teaching things like reading, writing and arithmetic.... why force young people to learn these things.... they aren't really important in todays society.
GasGuzzler
Hunter
Close to correct. Stop taxing the entire community to send ungrateful kids to a bureaucratic mess and have the parents take some responsibility for their education. Forget about "no child left behind"...leave them behind if the parents don't care. Let natural selection do its thing...
