Other than the LCP, Rugers are fat.... I love my p95, but there is just no way I could reliably conceal it.... I am going to be buying a gun for CC this month, and no ruger really fits the bill... The LCP is small, but .380 is smaller than I would like.... What would be really nice would be a single stack 9mm.... An SR9c would be nice if it were slimmer.... Something to complete with the Kel-tec PF9 would be cool... Thats probably what I will end up getting... but if anyone knows anything ruger has in the pipes, I could wait....
when is ruger going to make a single stack 9mm?
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john16443
Single-Sixer
And the SR9c is even easier to conceal. They are about the slimmest in the grip area that you'll find just about anywhere.
pistolpete
Single-Sixer
Get a Kahr pm9 if you want slim.
berettapistols
Blackhawk
Sounds to me like your wanting a Kahr PM9 polymer 9mm..
I will have to say that for a while when the 9mm were really popular there were only a few single stack pistols..
The Walther P5, SIG Sauer P6, Hk P7 & S&W 3913 come to mind & they all fit your hand very well, Not to wide or thick..
Who knows being the LCP has been so popular Ruger might offer a PF9 copy just as the LCP was to the P3AT..
Good Luck in your Quest!!
I will have to say that for a while when the 9mm were really popular there were only a few single stack pistols..
The Walther P5, SIG Sauer P6, Hk P7 & S&W 3913 come to mind & they all fit your hand very well, Not to wide or thick..
Who knows being the LCP has been so popular Ruger might offer a PF9 copy just as the LCP was to the P3AT..
Good Luck in your Quest!!
I was in your shoes just a few months ago. My problem with the available single stack 9's is that the vast majority of them were DAO, which I don't care for at all....the Taurus 709 slim was a contender until I learned of all of the frame cracking and reliability problems....and it didn't fit my hand well.
In the end, I ignored my quest for "slim" and went with the SR9c. No, it's not the slimmest of the bunch, but for a double stack mag, it does have the slimmest grip (and most comfortable) that I've ever seen. It does not conceal quite as well as my old Sig p230 that it replaced, but peace of mind in moving up from .380 to 9mm is worth it to me. Good luck in whatever you decide!
In the end, I ignored my quest for "slim" and went with the SR9c. No, it's not the slimmest of the bunch, but for a double stack mag, it does have the slimmest grip (and most comfortable) that I've ever seen. It does not conceal quite as well as my old Sig p230 that it replaced, but peace of mind in moving up from .380 to 9mm is worth it to me. Good luck in whatever you decide!
Yosemite Sam
Hunter
Been carrying a Walther PPS off and on for a few years now. Nice little gun. Ugly as sin, and striker fired, but it's about as thin as light as I care to go. Metal subframe, too.
-- Sam
-- Sam
I have heard great things about the Walther PPS in terms of paper slim as far as handguns go... but I have to agree that the SR 9mm series is pretty slim. I mean really, how much difference are we talking in gerth, I really think it is negligable. In fact, that was one of the things I loved about the SR 9mm series, I was suprised it was a double stack.
Big Stu
Single-Sixer
I was originally considering the walther pps and the taurus slim 709, but as soon as I had the SR9c in my hand, there was no doubt I had to have it.
Specs
Single-Sixer
I am hoping for a single stack 9 the same size as the PF9. I like pocket carry and the PF9 is just at the limit for me. I went the 380 route a few years ago, but didn't like the round or the expense and got out of 380 altogether. I would be in line for a Ruger flat 9.
FergusonTO35
Hunter
A single stack Ruger nine will be introduced at the same time they bring back the Security Six and the tang safety 77. In other words, when rugerforum.com takes control of the company. :wink:
jadek44
Single-Sixer
Or when folks stop clamoring for a pistol that holds a half a box of shells.
ballcoach16
Bearcat
The SR9c is plenty slim to conceal, especially with the 10 round mag without finger extension. IWB is comfortable. I can even conceal mine very well OWB with my JIT slide holster because it rides high and close to the body. A pocket pistol it is not, but that's what my LCP is for.
jadek44 said:
LOL !!! I was thinking the same thing. Everybody screams and yells that they want CAPACITY .... extended mags, and that they carry TWO EXTRA MAGS with 19 each in them, etc etc. Now all of a sudden we're realizing how silly that is for a civilian.
I'll stick with my trusty and tiny 12 ounce KT P3AT, it goes with me every time, is never obtrusive, and fits in my pocket like it's not even there. If I can't get the job done with 7 380 hollowpoints, I guess I'll be hoofing it .....
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rammerjammer
Blackhawk
Sign me up. I want an LC9 or whatever they would call it.
FergusonTO35
Hunter
Actually, I don't care if they ever bring out a micro and/or single stack 9mm. I wouldn't want anything smaller than the SR-9C in that cartridge. Now, an LCP in .32 I would buy instantly!! :wink:
Well, the SR9c is certainly smaller than an SR9, but I wouldn't really call it small... At 24 ounces it pretty portly too.... and as for slim well, I wouldn't call my p95 slim my any measure, yet the SR9c is fatter than a p95...
Whatever I get I will probably Cary it mostly IWB, but I like the idea of being able to pocket carry it too, so the sr9c is definitely out for that...
My other absolute requirement is that I ONLY buy guns made in the USA so.... the Walther is out, plus it weighs almost as much as an SR9c....
I had not considerd the Kahr, looks like it still weighs a bit more than the PF-9, but I may have to look into that one too... I would love it if ruger would make something that can compete with those two though....
I dont know, I may end up just going with an LCP anyway.... Ruger has never let me down....
Whatever I get I will probably Cary it mostly IWB, but I like the idea of being able to pocket carry it too, so the sr9c is definitely out for that...
My other absolute requirement is that I ONLY buy guns made in the USA so.... the Walther is out, plus it weighs almost as much as an SR9c....
I had not considerd the Kahr, looks like it still weighs a bit more than the PF-9, but I may have to look into that one too... I would love it if ruger would make something that can compete with those two though....
I dont know, I may end up just going with an LCP anyway.... Ruger has never let me down....
Specs
Single-Sixer
The KT PF9 has come a long way. It can be pocket carried, lifetime warranty, and it is now considered reliable. Mine has been perfect, just wish it said "Ruger" on it.
FergusonTO35
Hunter
SR-9c is fatter than a P95? I was examining my 95 last night and honestly I think it looks bigger than it really is. Ruger didn't do a good job of making it look CCWable, especially when they added the big lunch tray accessory rail to the dust cover.
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Remember that Sig has a little slim 9 coming out soon...Sig P290. Heard a rumored $530 MSRP, not official, street value might be closer to $425(?) if that rumor holds up. Expect more substance to pricing around SHOT Show time I'd imagine.
I actually like this, if the price is right and the trigger is more than tolerable I might have to get one. I could live with an LCP or any other reliable .380, but I don't like the price point and availability of the ammo locally. So a 9mm suits my needs/wants better, and I'm confident in the round's ballistics with respect to shot placement.
Josh
I actually like this, if the price is right and the trigger is more than tolerable I might have to get one. I could live with an LCP or any other reliable .380, but I don't like the price point and availability of the ammo locally. So a 9mm suits my needs/wants better, and I'm confident in the round's ballistics with respect to shot placement.
Josh
Specs
Single-Sixer
The Sig looks interesting. Just a tad heavier than a PF9. I would guess that it will be excellent quality and with a LT warranty. Just looked at the Kahr and they still have a 5 yr warranty only. Time for Ruger to jump on the bandwagon for it's market share.
Sal1950
Blackhawk
revhigh said:
AMEN to that REV, couldn't agree with you more!
Sal
jhearne said:
WOW, I am REALLY diggin that Sig P290!! I had not heard of that one. Removable grip panels FTW! Its smaller than the PF9 (which is the top contender for me right now) The only downside is the weight...
20+oz empty is a lot... Its heavier unloaded than a PF9 is loaded with 7+1.... Any idea when its due out, because I would like to handle it before making my final decision, but if its going to be 6+ months, then I cant consider it....As for .380.... I agree, I have no qualms about its stopping power, but the cost of ammo is just too high.... I can get 50 rounds of 9mm for under $10, and the same of .380 for $18 (both FMJ of course) Plus 9MM is WAY easier to find, and my P95 is 9mm too so they could share ammo....
jhearne
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As far as a release date goes, I have no clue. SHOT Show is still weeks away in January (I think) and no price is set. My uncle and I seem to agree that a $500-550 msrp isnt terrible, for a Sig. I still see it in stores around $420-430 depending on availability and location.
Josh
Josh
dacaur said:
If you want a great (and inexpensive) Sig, you may want to look at the surplus P6's. They come from West German law enforcement and are imported into the US by CDNN, and the other importers. It's basically a Sig P226 with a shortened grip, shortened barrel, and single stack grip (8+1), which makes it much slimmer than the standard P226 or P228. It's a spectacularly accurate gun (mine shoots as good as my full size P226), unquestionably reliable, fairly light for a non-polymer gun, and it's a Sig .... for about $300. The ones coming in now aren't as perfect as my two, but they're not bad either. I'd rather have a P6 than ANY polymer gun if I were to carry a gun of that size.
Here's just one example and a review ... I guess the price has gone up some since I bought mine a few years ago. I paid $250, and mine looked like it had never been shot, just like my P226. You can still find them for right about $300 shipped if you research a little.
From Wikipedia .....
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P225/P6
SIG Sauer P225
Type Semi-automatic pistol
Place of origin Germany
Switzerland
Service history
Used by See Users
Production history
Manufacturer Swiss Arms AG (formerly SIG Arms AG
Unit cost 3625€[8] (note that this is for a special edition pistol, since the normal P225 has been largely discontinued; a used P6 can be found for about $400 in the U.S.[9])
Variants P6 (West German police variant)
Specifications
Weight 740g (26.1 oz)[10][11]
Length 180mm (7.1 in)[10][11]
Barrel length 98mm (3.9 in)[10][11]
Width 1.3 in[10]
Height 5.2 in[10]
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Cartridge 9x19mm Parabellum
Action Mechanically locked, recoil operated (DA/SA or DAO)
Feed system 8-round magazine
The SIG P225 is a more compact version of the SIG P220. When it became apparent that the Swiss Army was looking for a new pistol, plans were set into motion. The SIG P210 was just too costly to manufacture, and the Swiss Army wanted a cheaper semi-automatic handgun, but it still had to provide excellent functionality and a double-action trigger. SIG, in cooperation with a German arms company, J.P. Sauer & Sohn, developed a new pistol. In 1975 the A75 (as it was known in the Swiss Army service), or 9mm SIG-Sauer P220, debuted with various new and inventive features. It utilized a single column magazine holding eight 9 mm rounds and had a 3.9 in. barrel. A new German police standard, in the mid-1970s, prompted SIG-Sauer, Heckler & Koch, and Walther to develop new pistols that met the standard: the Walther P5, the SIG-Sauer P225 (known as the P6) and the Heckler & Koch P7. (In addition, Mauser had a design that never went into full production). Each German state was free to buy whichever pistol it wanted to. Initially, the P220 was submitted; the P225/P6 was created to conform with the mid-1970s West German police requirements for its standard service pistol. The SIG-Sauer P225 was the least expensive (due mainly to the inventive design) and received the majority of the orders. To be able to manufacture that many handguns, SIG acquired a controlling interest in J. P. Sauer & Sohn in Eckenförde, Germany to manufacture parts for the P220. This is also where all P225s were manufactured. The only difference between the P6 and P225 - the P225 (which was adopted by US civilian law enforcement) has a lighter trigger pull, whereas the P6's trigger pull is heavier. The P225 has tritium fixed sights; P6s had fixed sights only. Genuine P225s manufactured for the West German Police will have a 'P6' stamp on the right side of the slide. A new police standard was adopted in Germany in 1995, and the P225 is in the process of being replaced. German police pistols can be identified by the hammer, which has small 'ear' or 'hook'. According to section 7.7 of the German manual, the cutout is the Deformationssporn, which means “deformation spur.” This was a requirement of the West German Police for all their pistols, regardless of manufacturer, to alert police armorers if the pistol was dropped on its hammer.[12] Many of these surplus German police pistols have been imported into the U.S. recently. Because of its compact size, the P225/P6 is quite readily usable for concealed carry. In U.S. states where hi-capacity magazines were prohibited, the P6/P225 was usually in high demand.
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http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/sig-p6-p225-9mm-caliber,-semi-auto-pistol,-g-vg-/products_id/1903
http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Critical%20Look%20at%20SIG%20Sauer%20P225.htm
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FergusonTO35
Hunter
I bought one right when they started coming into the U.S. a few years ago, I paid $269.00 for the pistol with two mags in its original case. It is very accurate and has the usual Sig quality. The single action trigger pull honestly couldn't be any better, zero creep and maybe 2.5 pound pull. Add the Pachmayr Signature grips and you have a really nice pistol. The only real limitations are mags and ammo.
Sig discontinued the mags for these a few years ago and you can expect to pay $50.00 each for them. Pro-Mag is the only aftermarket mag that I know of right now. Fortunately, the recent production Pro-Mags work really well. I haven't had any problems with mine, I paid around $16.00 each for them.
As far as ammo goes, these pistols were designed more than thirty years ago when round nose FMJ of a certain length was the only thing expected to be used in the gun. On my pistol at least, you start seeing some jams when your cartridges exceed 1.135. Also, there is a rather sharp transition from the front of the chamber to the rifling. This means that some bullets will have to be seated deeply to prevent the ogive from catching the rifling before the case is fully chambered.
Sig discontinued the mags for these a few years ago and you can expect to pay $50.00 each for them. Pro-Mag is the only aftermarket mag that I know of right now. Fortunately, the recent production Pro-Mags work really well. I haven't had any problems with mine, I paid around $16.00 each for them.
As far as ammo goes, these pistols were designed more than thirty years ago when round nose FMJ of a certain length was the only thing expected to be used in the gun. On my pistol at least, you start seeing some jams when your cartridges exceed 1.135. Also, there is a rather sharp transition from the front of the chamber to the rifling. This means that some bullets will have to be seated deeply to prevent the ogive from catching the rifling before the case is fully chambered.
boomer1
Single-Sixer
One pistol that several have mentioned in this thread is the Taurus 709 slim. I have had a blue 709 for about 18 months now. Initially, there were some "teething" problems with the pistol, continuous FTEs. A trip back to Taurus for warranty repair, and a replaced ejector, was all that was needed to remedy the situation. BTW, I had a good experience with Taurus customer service. It is now a nice well-behaved pistol, have had no subsequent issues. It is a sometimes CCW, I load it with Rem GS 124grain rounds, 7 shot single stack clips. It shoots pretty accurately, it has a rather snappy recoil. I have found that it likes to be kept clean and dry, not loaked in oil and dusted in soot.
That's my story and I am sticking to it....
boomer :wink:
That's my story and I am sticking to it....
boomer :wink:
Ruger Packer
Buckeye
My favorite single stack 9mm is a Smiff & Wishin' Model 39!! Great gun!! Not one you see every day, but they're out there!! 8)
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