KBVN-44-IE
What grips, and engraved?
What grips, and engraved?
What is a--
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jimbo1096 said:
Per RENE:
KNV = stainless New Vaquero with high polish finish.
KNVRB = same with Ruger Bisley grip frame.
Don't see your KBVN listed.
I = simulated ivroy grip panels
E = engraved
OP
Was it a special run, when did they do engraving?
Sorry I had a couple letters reversed It's KBNV. Is it old Vaquero or new Vaquero?
Sorry I had a couple letters reversed It's KBNV. Is it old Vaquero or new Vaquero?
Bountyhunter
Single-Sixer
I believe this is the gun without the engraving, making it a Vaquero, not New Vaquero.
OP
Thanks for the pic, Bh. I am curious about the 'engraving'. Is it actually hand engraved, roll stamped or laser engraved?
i didn't know Ruger did any engraving from the factory and had not heard of these guns before. Wondered if they were a special done for someone and how many were made. Here is one I found that sold on GB.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=296393455
i didn't know Ruger did any engraving from the factory and had not heard of these guns before. Wondered if they were a special done for someone and how many were made. Here is one I found that sold on GB.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=296393455
Bountyhunter
Single-Sixer
I've never seen one before. The cylinder is the only thing engraved on it? How do they do the Bisley BH cylinders? Probably the same thing if it's coming straight from, Ruger. Although in that pic it looks a little deeper than the work done on my Bisley cylinder. Could just be because mine is Blued.
Ok, I see KBNV in RENE now ......
KBNV = stainless Blackhawk New model Vaquero with high polish finish
Less than 1000 produced. You guys gotta get a subscription to RENE. It's well worth it.
KBNV = stainless Blackhawk New model Vaquero with high polish finish
Less than 1000 produced. You guys gotta get a subscription to RENE. It's well worth it.
David Bradshaw
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I was told that the non-fluted Bisley Blackhawk cylinder is rollmarked.
A rollmark is the old school stamp that rotary-presses the number, letter, or image. Much less force is required than for a flat stamp, with better control. Nearly all the old marks on Colt, S&W, Ruger, Winchester, Remington, etc., were rollmarks. Including serial numbers, which serial-indexed like the bale counter on a hay baler.
The impression leaves a raised ridge, which is then polished off. Hopefully.
By contrast, etching leaves no raised ridge. Etching cannot duplicate the rich visual of a fine rollmark.
It is a bastardization of English to call an etched image "engraving."
David Bradshaw
A rollmark is the old school stamp that rotary-presses the number, letter, or image. Much less force is required than for a flat stamp, with better control. Nearly all the old marks on Colt, S&W, Ruger, Winchester, Remington, etc., were rollmarks. Including serial numbers, which serial-indexed like the bale counter on a hay baler.
The impression leaves a raised ridge, which is then polished off. Hopefully.
By contrast, etching leaves no raised ridge. Etching cannot duplicate the rich visual of a fine rollmark.
It is a bastardization of English to call an etched image "engraving."
David Bradshaw
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hittman said:
OK - then more questions. You say RENE lists as a new Vaquero, when I look at ruger's serial # listing, it shows as an original series Vaquero made in 1999.
The gunbrober pics have gone away but the 'engraving ' didn't look rollmarked to me. Very curious about this, and still wondering if it was a special done for a distributer or something like that.
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gotcha!
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Three guns under discussion (maybe more):
1) Bisley Blackhawk----unfluted cylinder, with decorative circumferential image of an offhand shooter in a bowler, a crest, "Ruger Bisley", etc. I am under the impression it is a rollmark.
2) Vaquero with plain, fluted cylinder.
3) Vaquero with fluted cylinder, decorated with "gold" scrollwork----identified as factory. I recall seeing blued, older single actions like this at Ruger factory, with modest engraving on cylinder only. And, I vaguely remember seeing a stainless gun with "engraving" motif similar to Vaquero shown here. Technique used to achieve this "engraving," I do not know. The broad excised areas reflect a tool other than a handheld engraver.
What is it?
David Bradshaw
1) Bisley Blackhawk----unfluted cylinder, with decorative circumferential image of an offhand shooter in a bowler, a crest, "Ruger Bisley", etc. I am under the impression it is a rollmark.
2) Vaquero with plain, fluted cylinder.
3) Vaquero with fluted cylinder, decorated with "gold" scrollwork----identified as factory. I recall seeing blued, older single actions like this at Ruger factory, with modest engraving on cylinder only. And, I vaguely remember seeing a stainless gun with "engraving" motif similar to Vaquero shown here. Technique used to achieve this "engraving," I do not know. The broad excised areas reflect a tool other than a handheld engraver.
What is it?
David Bradshaw
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Hawkeye
hittman said:
Bingo!
contender
Ruger Guru
Those Vaqueros with just the cylinder having "engraving" and gold colored inlay were done in around 1997-1998. I think there were a total of 12 variations of those guns.
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