What do I do next?

cbass

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I admit I'm still kinda new to this load development thing. The pistol calibers I load for I stumbled across great loads right out of the gate. Here is a photo of my last range trip with my 30-30. The bullet is Sierra 170 fp.

My question is what do I do next? should I try to go up a little more? My manuals say I have a little more space to go up. Should I move out to 100 yards and reshoot the same loads?

Your advice is appreciated!

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If you are trying to duplicate the factory POI looks like you need a different powder, maybe one that is a little slower with more recoil, to raise the group? If you are going for group size you should go up in 0.5 grain increments or smaller. I shoot that same bullet in 30-30 and have had good luck with Varget powder. It shoots close to Federal factory ammo POI and gives me very small groups. My best groups are Varget 32.5gr with that Sierra 170gr FP and WLR primers. I have also found W748 to be a good powder (small groups) but it does not shoot to the same POI as my factory ammo. :D
 
Jimbo357mag said:
If you are trying to duplicate the factory POI [...] If you are going for group size you should go up in 0.5 grain increments or smaller.

I was not necessarily looking to have the same POI--I was using that as a reference to make sure that I was on paper.:P

I am looking for group size. It looks like 27 and 28 were my best so do I go 27.5 and 28.5 and everything in between? Or do I really need to be at 100 yards to "prove" the load?
 
cbass said:
Jimbo357mag said:
If you are trying to duplicate the factory POI [...] If you are going for group size you should go up in 0.5 grain increments or smaller.

I was not necessarily looking to have the same POI--I was using that as a reference to make sure that I was on paper.:P

I am looking for group size. It looks like 27 and 28 were my best so do I go 27.5 and 28.5 and everything in between? Or do I really need to be at 100 yards to "prove" the load?

Here's my random thoughts;

T'were it me, I'd load up a few more 28 grainers and (10) with 28.5, scrub out my barrel real good beteen test, fire a couple of "fouling shots", and go from there.
IMR3031 has been one of the "go to" powders for a 30-30 for years. That said though, don't discount what Jimbo said, because Varget is a very good powder also.
Some 30-30's prefer a 170 Grn bullet, some prefer a 150, and often there aint no ryme or reason as to why.
Yes, at some point you'll need to retest at longer distances.Just how far that distance is though, will depend on how well you can use your present sighting arrangement, and where it is that the bullet becomes subsonic.
At some point past 100 yds, you will likely find a measurable increase in "precision" by switching to a true "match" primer.

FWIW, almost every levergun that I've had shot better after I glass-bedded the buttstock to the reciever. I'm perty-convinced that doing so also helps to prevent the cracks that are often seen in that area on high-milage guns from forming.

Hope this helps.

DGW
 
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Precision32 said:
What position are you shooting from? Has anyone else shot the rifle?

From a front support rest on a bench with the butt on my shoulder.

No--and I don't understand why that matters.
 
What is the factory load you are comparing to?

First I would try a different powder, several have recommended Varget and I would lean that direction too. Another good powder is IMR 4895.

Second I would try different bullets, I've had excellent groups with Hornady FTX bullets in other cartridges and that would be my first choice. Second would be Nosler.
 
I guess I wasn't expecting to hear "switch all your components and start over." I was hoping to get advice on what to do next with the components I am using. As many of you are aware it is challenging if not near impossible to get powder right now so this is what I've got. I may have some old W748 that my FIL gave me but other than that I only have pistol powders.

I guess I will start at 27 and go up by .3 to 29 and see what happens... :? :? :?
 
That is how reloading works. I've hit a couple homeruns on the first load, but mostly have to switch to different components to get top accuracy.
 
mattsbox99 said:
That is how reloading works. I've hit a couple homeruns on the first load, but mostly have to switch to different components to get top accuracy.

I thought that may be the case. I don't have a problem switching but components are hard to come by right now. I have the 3031 on hand and am trying to make the best of it until I can get something else.

P.S. the factory load is the standard Federal 170g I believe (don't have access to the box right at the moment). I was just using it to check if I was on paper with my sights. It would not do me any good to shoot all my reloads and not be on paper. If I had removed the target I thought someone would have asked me about that strange flyer in the middle of the cardboard.
 
So that 'factory' target is only one shot?

How would you compare the factory with your current handloads?

Have you shot different bullets to determine which is best in your gun or at least a starting point?

Unfortunately components are difficult to come by right now, but it will be better soon.

In regards to your current handloads, are they new cases or once fired? Are they full length sized and trimmed? Are they all the same make or different?

What gun are you working with, depending on the make will determine just how hot you can go.
 
Did I miss something? No mention of factory comparison in OP, or point of impact. I'd try 27.5, 28.0, and 28.5. Mebbe you just need a bit more practice shooting...
 
mikld said:
...I'd try 27.5, 28.0, and 28.5...
+1 That looks like where you will be getting your best groups. Dial-in the scope for the distance you will be shooting at. If for hunting I would definately go to 100 yds. :D
 
I think you ate correct. 28 and 29 look like good group sizes. Move out to 100 yards and see if that changes anything. Perhaps move up in increments beyond 28 or 29, powders are hard to come by, first try with what you've got on hand.
 
mattsbox99 said:
So that 'factory' target is only one shot?

How would you compare the factory with your current handloads?

Have you shot different bullets to determine which is best in your gun or at least a starting point?

Unfortunately components are difficult to come by right now, but it will be better soon.

In regards to your current handloads, are they new cases or once fired? Are they full length sized and trimmed? Are they all the same make or different?

What gun are you working with, depending on the make will determine just how hot you can go.

Yes, one shot. I wasn't trying to compare it to the factory load I was just using the factory load to make sure I was on paper with my sights. The factory shot is not what I'm asking advice on. It had been a while since I had shot the gun and I wanted to make sure it was still on. It hit the same spot the factory ammo always does. just about 1 inch low right in the middle.

once fired cases, full length sized, all trimmed to the same length, all R-P Brass

Shooting a Marlin 336
 
mikld said:
Did I miss something? No mention of factory comparison in OP, or point of impact. I'd try 27.5, 28.0, and 28.5. Mebbe you just need a bit more practice shooting...

You didn't miss anything--I didn't say anything about a factory comparison. Thanks for the advice about the .5 increments.

And, ouch on the last statement :P I probably do need some more practice but I can shoot 1 inch at 100 with my other rifles--maybe I was just having a bad day... I plan on shooting those same loads again to see if anything changes.

Thanks again!
 
cbass said:
Precision32 said:
What position are you shooting from? Has anyone else shot the rifle?

From a front support rest on a bench with the butt on my shoulder.

No--and I don't understand why that matters.

What position you shoot from can make a big difference.

Having someone else shoot the rifle can reveal if it's the shooter or the load. :)
 
Precision32 said:
cbass said:
Precision32 said:
What position are you shooting from? Has anyone else shot the rifle?

From a front support rest on a bench with the butt on my shoulder.

No--and I don't understand why that matters.

What position you shoot from can make a big difference.

Having someone else shoot the rifle can reveal if it's the shooter or the load. :)

fido
 

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