Whaddya think would happen

[5of7]

If Ruger got with Hornady to develop a .32 cal. Automatic ctg. based on .30 Carbine brass shortened to 1.075" and loaded to 9MM (35K) pressures and with 90 & 100 Gr. XTP bullets.

And fired in a gun by Ruger in a locked breech LC9ish pistol with say 10 shot magazines. I would guess a velocity of about 1200 fps with the 100 grXTP. Think it would sell?

OK, it is winter time and I am bored..... 8)

 

[DGW1949]

I think the better question would be...why would any manufacturer bother with developing a one-off .32-Cal/1200 FPS semi-auto pistol cartridge when one can already get the same sort of velocity out of a 9MM+P or .38-Super, and do it with bigger/heavier bullets to boot?

DGW

 

[5of7]

I think the better question would be...why would any manufacturer bother with developing a one-off .32-Cal/1200 FPS semi-auto pistol cartridge when one can already get the same sort of velocity out of a 9MM+P or .38-Super, and do it with bigger/heavier bullets to boot?

DGW

I was thinking of reduced recoil for those sensitive to it, while still being a viable self defense weapon. A 90 gr. .312 bullet has much the same SD as a 115 gr. .355 bullet, and given the same velocity should penetrate as well and being 25 grs lighter would generate significantly less velocity. 8)

 

[22/45 Fan]

Sound a lot like the .30 Mauser which has been around since 1896. It's ballistics are an 88 grain bullet at 1425 fps.

Or the .30 Luger developed in 1898 which fired a 93 gr bullet at 1200 fps. (parent case of the current 9 mm)
Or perhaps the 7.62x25 Tokarev which was developed in 1930 fires an 85 gr bullet at up to 1630 fps depending on the load.

There is almost nothing in firearms ammunition that hasn't been done before.

 

[blume357]

I think they would lose a lot of money.....

 

[5of7]

Sound a lot like the .30 Mauser which has been around since 1896. It's ballistics are an 88 grain bullet at 1425 fps.

Or the .30 Luger developed in 1898 which fired a 93 gr bullet at 1200 fps. (parent case of the current 9 mm)
Or perhaps the 7.62x25 Tokarev which was developed in 1930 fires an 85 gr bullet at up to 1630 fps depending on the load.

There is almost nothing in firearms ammunition that hasn't been done before.

I agree that it would be nothing new, but with the smaller diameter .30 carbine case, or even a rimless version of the .32 Mg., it would be easier to increase magazine capacity in a grip the size as the LC9.

Also, a big factor in sales potential depends on the cartridge being "new and groundbreaking." :roll:

 

[grobin]

I'd pass out from enumi! Yet another P T Barnum special 'New Improved BS cartridge! Just a waste of time.

 

[grobin]

Now if you were to do something bleeding edge--.
e.g. Take a projectle consisting of 10 mg of 3nm x 30um thick wall carbon nano tubes and grow 4 x 6 nm iron crystals in one of the ends. Load them in a ventury so that a 22 blank fired through it would accelerate them to ~2000ft/sec and use an EMP to accelerate them to over 10,000ft/sec you would have something interesting and innovative. In space you could use a tuned laser to get them up to around 96+% of c.

 

[blume357]

Tin foil hat time.......

 

[grobin]

Not really. All stuff you can buy off the shelf. Just $M and a couple years engineering.

 

[22/45 Fan]

Not really. All stuff you can buy off the shelf. Just $M and a couple years engineering.

Probably 20% of that money and six months would do it but the problem would be finding a market.

 

[FergusonTO35]

Well, there was the .32 NAA...

 

[22/45 Fan]

Well, there was the .32 NAA...

Oh yeah, that round of immense popularity.

 

[5of7]

So....I take it that you guys don't think it would sell?

 

[gramps]

So....I take it that you guys don't think it would sell?

:shock: :mrgreen:
Who knows! The 300 Blackout sells, 6.5 Creedmore sells. Not like those are anything, but new names.
gramps

 

[grobin]

I don't see it selling. It doesn't do anything that other cartridges don't do better.

The 300BLK was an attempt to make the M4 more useful; IMHO it was unsuccessful. (Shoehorning it into 9" barrel pistols and sub guns may get kill it). However, it does fill a niche largely created by the suppressor fans. I see it as a good cartridge for some farming, exurban and suburban environments.

The 6.5 Creedmorre fills a real need in Precision and High Power Rifle competitions. It opens them to more people due to: lower cost, better accuracy, lower recoil and better performance. It also happens to be a great long range medium game gun.

 

[FergusonTO35]

The 6.5 performs way out of proportion to it's size, with very mild recoil and cheap reloads to boot. One of these is in my future.

 

[modrifle3]

The 6.5 performs way out of proportion to it's size, with very mild recoil and cheap reloads to boot. One of these is in my future.

+1000 on this one . . . amazing cartridge. If I had the funds an M1A in this caliber would be in my possession.

 

[area51guy]

You mean something like the NAA32?

The cartridge delivers in excess of 1,222 ft/s (372 m/s) velocity to a 60 grain (3.9 gram) proprietary bullet from Hornady. This generates 199 ft⋅lbf (270 J) of energy from the 2.5" Guardian barrel (1453 ft/s & 287 ft⋅lbf (389 J) from a 4" test barrel).[2]

According to Phil W. Johnston, the 60 gr Corbon cartridge averaged 1204 fps, with an extreme spread of 69 fps and a standard deviation of 19 fps, for 193.09 ft-lbs of energy. When fired at ballistic gelatin, he obtained 6.25" of penetration, with expansion to 0.528" and 72% weight retention.[3]

 

[5of7]

You mean something like the NAA32?

The cartridge delivers in excess of 1,222 ft/s (372 m/s) velocity to a 60 grain (3.9 gram) proprietary bullet from Hornady. This generates 199 ft⋅lbf (270 J) of energy from the 2.5" Guardian barrel (1453 ft/s & 287 ft⋅lbf (389 J) from a 4" test barrel).[2]

According to Phil W. Johnston, the 60 gr Corbon cartridge averaged 1204 fps, with an extreme spread of 69 fps and a standard deviation of 19 fps, for 193.09 ft-lbs of energy. When fired at ballistic gelatin, he obtained 6.25" of penetration, with expansion to 0.528" and 72% weight retention.[3]

No, the 60 gr. bullet is too light for defense purposes. I am thinking more about a 90 gr. bullet at 1100 to 1200 fps. The 90 gr. .312 bullet has about the same SD as a 115 gr. 9MM bullet and would penetrate as well while producing significantly less recoil.

The purpose is to produce a cartridge that is adequate protection for the recoil sensitive shooter. 8)

 

[SR1911SHOOTER]

Five,
There is a cartridge like that now. The ARX Inceptor 9MM.
Also in .45 ACP .38S, .380 ACP and a few more. It is all I carry.
Blackie

 

[grobin]

There is nothing wrong with the 22 LR or or WMR. you just need a decent sight picture or the ability to shoot instinctively (a lot more folks think that they have than actually do).

There are plenty of full-size pistols and pistol caliber carbines which are great for home defense although not so much for concealed carry. A lot of folks but compact pistols and revolvers promoted for councled carry that are not really good for the job and see horrid for home defense. (They may be cool but don't do either job well!)

If you can't hit your target, even under pressure, you are just trying to scare them off. Luckily this works almost all the time.

Too many people fall for TV and movie fantasy! The gun goes bang and the target is thrown backward or out the window. That just doesn't happen. Many fatal shots are not incapacitating and it can take 5 or more minutes until death-as the FBI found out in the Mami shootout.

 

[5of7]

Five,
There is a cartridge like that now. The ARX Inceptor 9MM.
Also in .45 ACP .38S, .380 ACP and a few more. It is all I carry.
Blackie

I know, I regularly carry ARX ammo in the .380 LCP, but what is the fun of that?

Where is our sense of adventure? If it wasn't for wildcatters, we wouldn't have a LOT of the improved cartridges that we enjoy today.

Besides, with computer controlled machining, it is not as expensive to create a different (or chamber existing pistols) for a different CTG. 8)