Thanks to everyone here.

E.C. West

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I finally decided to get into reloading. However, having never seen it done and not knowing how to do it, I had no idea what to buy.

I have been reading this forum for several months and I have learned a lot. . . . . So thanks to all of you.

Today I ordered the "ROCK CHUCKR SUPRM MASTER RELOADING KIT" from http://www.natchezss.com (I had been considering a Lee kit due to the lower price) I had looked at the R Chucker Kit from many many places (Basspro, Cabelas, Graf & Sons, MidwayUSA, etc) and found the best deal at Natchez. If I had bought this kit a couple of months ago, I would have saved even more $$$. My local gun shop had raised their price $50 from what it was 2 months ago. OUCH!!!

I know I will have to buy a few other accessories to finish out my reloading equipment and I look forward to it.

Next I will be learning the powder, loads and bullets to use. Mostly I will be reloading 44 mag for a Super Redhawk w/scope & a Ruger Carbine and some 30-06 cal., 243 cal. and 45 cal. At this point I will be trying to find and start with something simular to Remington factory loads as that is what I have my guns sighted in with.

Any suggestion on reloading books? With the RCBS reloading kit I ordered, it comes with the Speer reloading manual #13.

Thanks to RCBS & Lee as well for the reloading videos they have on their web site.
 
If I had to pick just one, I'd choose the Lyman. Most of the manuals are put out by bullet manufacturers and list only their bullets. In Lyman's manual, you get a combination of both powder and bullet manufacturers. Also, you get some data on cast lead bullets.

I'd get more than one manual, though. I shoot Hornady, Nosler, and Speer bullets, so I have their manuals. Hogdon also puts out an annual manual, in magazine format, that's only $9. It has data for Hogdon, Winchester, and IMR branded powders using a mix of bullet brands. And it has some cast bullet data.

Another resource you should take a look at is the Load Book series. That has combination of load data taken from lots of manuals. The book are caliber specific (mostly).
 
Money well spent in my book ! & if not in a hurry not much to add to the RC kit !

I do like the lee dies for straight walled handgun ammo the autodisc just works !!!

+1 for the Lyman maual !!! if not for the casting section in my 46th I probably would be relying on the masses for boolits !!

The Speer #13 ain`t to bad either !! it just limits there data for there bullets!

& I bet ya post more now !!!! LOL

Any question brother , anytime !!!!
 
I will get the Lyman manual. I also just order from MidwayUSA, these two manuals:

Gun Guides Reloading Guide for Rifles "30-06 Springfield & 308 Winchester" Book

&

Loadbooks USA "44 Remington Magnum" Reloading Manual

I had in mind to get some Lee accessories for reloading, such as Dies and the shell holder set.
 
You picked a good brand and the press will last you a life time and more, I would never buy LEE, you get what you pay for their stuff is built very cheap and you would buy it more than once when it breaks.
RCBS you will only buy once and customer service is exellent!
Lyman is very good also and I like it just as well, I own and use products made by both RCBS and Lyman can't go wrong with either one.
 
Caliper - - - dial or digital?

Case Trimmer - - - What brand/model and why?

Brass Tumbler - - - - Tumbler or Vibrator and brand. (I have decided on the walnut shell media)

Hmmmm....what else do I need? :?: :?: Bullet puller? :?: :?:

Oh heck....I forgot, I have to get some kind of bench set up. There goes more $$$$. Hmmmm.....I'll have to figure some cheap (but good) way to get a bench.
 
You are quite welcome! We gladly accept the fact we are enablers around here.
Now,, do NOT hesitate to ask questions, no matter how trivial they may seem. We do want safe reloaders out there.
I'd suggest the Hornady manuel as well.
Other accessories can be had by watching the classifieds.
 
For starters, you don't need to do a lot of building. I bolted my reloading press to a sturdy piece of oak board and now simply clamp it to my work bench when I need it. I also made a clamp-on station for the reloading scale and powder measure. That way, I can turn my regular workbench into a reloading setup and later return it to its normal use with little trouble.

Caliper - dial

Bullet puller - definitely! Nobody's perfect. You will sooner or later need to pull some bullets.

Trimmer - the kit should have one. RCBS, Lyman and Redding make excellent ones. I have a Lyman mounted on (you guessed) an oak board.

I got a bullet cleaner (vibrating) two years after I started reloading. Not a vital necessity, but it makes your brass look good.

Don't forget eye protection. You never know when a primer will go off on you or when a sharp bit of brass will fly off the trimmer and you don't want an eye injury from any of those.
 
WESHOOT2 said:
Get the RCBS shellholders; they work in numerous other brands' tooling.

+1 on RCBS shell holders. I have not tried Lymans. When I could not find an RCBS and needed one right now, I have gotten Lees and I have some Lees that came with die sets. The Lees I have hold the rounds a little too loose.

edited to add:

I use the RCBS hand priming tool, so I always get 2 shell holders. I keep one with the dies and one with the priming too.
 
I started with the same kit nearly 2 years ago. I still consider myself a beginner, but its a very engaging and rewarding hobby.

In addition to what comes with the kit, I've found that its handy to have at least one more reloading block (the green plastic cartridge holder that comes with the kit). I typicallly do either 50 handguns rounds or 20 rifle rounds in one session, and the single block has trouble holding all 50 rounds evenly spaced (which I like so I don't lose my place and can double check powder throws more easily).

I second (or is it third) the recommendation to get a puller. I just recently got a collet style bullet puller. As was said before, mistakes will be made. Without a puller, you'll end up like me with a collection of about 15 cartridges with "DON'T SHOOT - UNDERCHARGED" or something similar scrawled across them in black sharpie!!! \

Good luck and enjoy!
 
A lot of excellent loading data is on the powder makers' websites. Download and print, and there you are. The bullet makers tend to be in the book business, so you have to buy theirs.
Brass cleaner: Vibratory. Check on the house brands, like Frankford Arsenal at Midway. Seems to be the same product as the major brands, just cheaper and better warranty. Get a media sifter. Dumping the media out of each case by hand gets tedious. Bullet puller: You need a hammer/inertia type, especially for the ones where you can't grab the bullet with a collet. I am thinking about the 1000 rds. of 357 Sig factory loads I got from Sportsmans Guide. No way to grab those bullets with a collet. Sizing lube: Get some Imperial Sizing Wax, you will be glad you did. The spray stuff does not work as well as it claims it does. Always get carbide sizing dies for pistol calibers if available.
 
A lot of excellent loading data is on the powder makers' websites. Download and print, and there you are. . . . . I hadn't thought of that. Good idea

Brass cleaner: Vibratory. Check on the house brands, like Frankford Arsenal at Midway. Seems to be the same product as the major brands, just cheaper and better warranty. . . . . Thanks for that input.

Get some Imperial Sizing Wax. . . . . That is the first I have heard of this product.

Well, I received my reloading kit today. Thanks for the fast delivery Natchez. I was really impressed with the heftyness of the Rock Chucker. There is a big difference from seeing it on display at Bass Pro and actually holding it in your own hands. That thing should NEVER wear out or break. I am glad I didn't go with the Lee press. I don't have any primers, power, bullets, dies or shell holders yet. This is like getting a battery operated toy for Christmas but no batteries. Oh well, I can still sleep with it tonight and dream about tomorrow. :D

I am still waiting delivery for my two books I ordered from MidwayUSA. (Hurry up MidwayUSA. I have plans for this weekend.) I looked at the Speer book that came with my kit. I have a friend that said he would come over and show me how to reload/use the equipment but I can see I will need him to help with understanding the book(s) also. I don't want to blow myself up 'cause I didn't understand recipe I was reading.
 
You should have a good set of calipers too. You need to know the OAL (over all length) of the rounds you are loading. If the bullet is in too deep you can have pressure and feed problems. Even a KB. If it isn't deep enough you will have feed problems.
 
E.C. West said:
Thanks for shell holder advice.

RCBS, Lyman and Hornady charge you extra for the shell holder.

RCBS shell holder retails anywhere from $6.00-$10.00 retail. And, RCBS doesn't give you a free shell holder with their dies.

Lee gives it to you free with their dies. 8)
 
EC West I started reloading last year. I was kind in the same boat so to speak.
I had read a lot but did not have any confidence to begin. I started watching the videos on the ultimate reloader website.
They are informative enough to get you started in the right direction. I still have a lot to learn but I'm getting there.
Loading for the 30-30, 30-06,7.62x39 and have bought dies for 270win and 45-70. This should keep me busy this summer.
 
Ruger Packer said:
E.C. West said:
Thanks for shell holder advice.

RCBS, Lyman and Hornady charge you extra for the shell holder.

RCBS shell holder retails anywhere from $6.00-$10.00 retail. And, RCBS doesn't give you a free shell holder with their dies.

Lee gives it to you free with their dies. 8)

I just wish my Lee hand priming tool didn't need yet another shellholder...:roll: If it ever wears out, guess I'll go with the RCBS unit...

(But since I've kept the 80's vintage Lee greased occasionally, it shows no sign of wearing out any time soon! :wink: )
 
Bucks Owin said:
Ruger Packer said:
E.C. West said:
Thanks for shell holder advice.

RCBS, Lyman and Hornady charge you extra for the shell holder.

RCBS shell holder retails anywhere from $6.00-$10.00 retail. And, RCBS doesn't give you a free shell holder with their dies.

Lee gives it to you free with their dies. 8)

I just wish my Lee hand priming tool didn't need yet another shellholder...:roll: If it ever wears out, guess I'll go with the RCBS unit...

(But since I've kept the 80's vintage Lee greased occasionally, it shows no sign of wearing out any time soon! :wink: )

I bought the 12 shell holder package for the Lee Hand Priming Tool from Midway USA. This was back in the mid-90's. IIRC cost was $9.99, but Midway had them on sale for $7.99.

Also bought a 2nd Hand priming tool from Midway then too. I use two of them. One setup for large primers and the other for small.

Those hand priming tools are like the Energizer Bunny!! 8)
 
I broke both my properly-lubricated LEEs the same day (overheated?).

My LEE shellholders don't work in my Lyman press or my RCBS hand-prime units.
But they were free. Except the ones I had to buy for the LEE hand-prime units.

INDISPENSABLE: my $3 LEE chamfer tools.
 
Calipers - I know I'm going against what a lot of guys here will say but I prefer digital over dial calipers. At work I train customers all the time on how to properly use the hydraulic hose crimpers that my company makes, and a big part of that is double checking the results with a set of calipers. Even a $15 set of digital calipers from Lowes is plenty accurate for reloading, and much much easier to read. I've seen a lot of people misread dial calipers, which really aren't that tough to read (try teaching someone how to read a vernier caliper). The only downside to digital is that batteries die. I have two sets of calipers, one digital, and a backup dial for when the digital batteries are dead.

For a tumbler, the best advice I can give is to get one with a solid lid. A lot of them have "separator lids" which you can use to sift the media out of the cases when they are done, but I've always found trying to separate the media like that was clumsy and awkward. The big problem with the separator type lids is that they let all of the dust generated by tumbling escape into the air and get all over everything. That dust can contain lead from the primer residue, so it's not something you want to be breathing in or spreading around your house. I use a solid lid, and throw 1 or 2 used fabric softener sheets in with the cases and media, they work really well for trapping most that dust and grime, which helps the media last longer as well. This looks like a good setup, for the same price as just the tumbler from the other brands: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=414369

You said you planned on using walnut media, which will work fine. It leaves a rougher finish on the cases, but cleans quickly. I use corn cob media (you can buy ground corn cob from pet stores or feed co-ops much cheaper than gun stores/sites usually, pet stores sell it as rodent bedding) mixed with some RCBS polishing compound: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=135675
All the other case polishes I know of are liquids, and I found that the dirt and powder residue from the cases stuck to and coated the damp media fairly quickly, making it much less effective. The RCBS powder lets the residue escape as dust, keeping the media cleaner and letting it last much longer. Just add a new packet of polishing compound every so often.

Case trimmer - if your kit doesn't already have one, I have a Lee hand trimmer that works just fine and was cheap. It can also be tightened in a power drill for use as a power trimmer if you have a lot of cases to trim. You'll need the case holder and cutting blade which works for all calibers http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=476992 , and then a length gauge and shell holder for each caliber you reload, for example here's the one for .223Rem http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=107333 Remember to get a chamfer tool. Even if you aren't trimming your cases, a little bit of a chamfer will make seating the bullets much easier, and new cases always have burrs at the mouth and sometimes even the primer pocket that need to be removed. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=389104

Dies - I have some Lee dies and some RCBS, they both work well. I prefer Lee dies for straight-walled handgun cartridges, and I like RCBS for rifle. Make sure to get carbide dies for your handgun cartridges if you can. Carbide dies don't require lubrication when sizing your cases, steel dies do. Imperial Sizing Wax is great stuff for that. If you try to size a case in a steel die with no lube, it will get stuck and you'll spend a lot of time trying to get it out.
Also, the type of rifle dies you buy depends a little bit on what they'll be used in. A full-length sizing die should be used on all brand new cases, ammo for semi-auto rifles, or ammo that might be used in more than one rifle. If the ammo will only ever be used in one specific (non semi-auto) rifle, and your empty brass was all fired in that rifle, then a neck-sizing die is all that is needed. It only re-sizes the neck of the case so the bullet is held correctly, leaving the main body of the cartridge in the shape created when it was fired in the chamber. Basically the cartridge case is a custom fit for that gun only which can improve accuracy, but it may or may not feed in other guns.
When you buy your dies, also buy an extra depriming (decapping) pin for each set. Nothing is more frustrating than breaking the depriming pin on your sizing die and realizing your reloading is over until you get a new one, especially if you have to wait for it to be shipped to you. Midway has an entire section devoted to them: http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/BrowseProducts.aspx?pageNum=1&tabId=1&categoryId=19924&categoryString=9315***731***702***9169***

Hand Priming tools are nice, but not a necessity. I have a Lee and it works great, but I still do a lot of priming on the single-stage press.

Bullet puller - I will fourth the recommendation for one of these, a simple hammer-type impact puller will work just fine for now. In the beginning you should be double and triple-checking your rounds at every step, so the chances of winding up with 100 or more rounds to be disassembled should be very slim. I've gotten by with just an impact puller for 3 years now.

Reloading blocks - As also said before, pick up a couple more of these, they're always handy.

Latex or vinyl gloves - I got into the habit of wearing surgical style gloves when reloading because my hands would get filthy, especially when handling fired cases, tumbling media, plain lead bullets, or lubing and sizing rifle cases. With fired cases and tumbling media, the dust and residue can contain lead because most primers still use lead in the explosive compounds. They aren't a necessity, but anything you can do to help limit your lead exposure is probably a good idea.

Ammo boxes and labels - You are going to need somewhere to put your finished ammo, and you will want to keep track of batches including things like type/weight of bullet, type of brass, type of primer, powder type and charge, and even the number of times the brass has been loaded, so that you can compare accuracy of different loads. The Frankford Arsenal plastic ammo boxes work great, and self-stick printer address labels from Wal-mart stick well to them.

Storage bags - I use a lot of bags to keep my components organized, especially bulk brass and bullets. It seems like everything I order comes in bulk boxes and once I open them it gets difficult to keep things clean and separated. Cardboard boxes have a habit of tipping over or falling off the shelf when they're around me, spilling whatever is inside. www.grainger.com is a great source for bags, plastic bins, or whatever you need to keep your area clean and organized. They sell bags that are much thicker and stronger than regular zip-loc bags, which is important when you're using them to hold things like brass cases with sharp edges and heavy, pointy lead bullets. I like these plastic bags: http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/Seal-Top-Poly-Bags-2EWR2?Pid=search
And these cloth bags are handy as well: http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/MIDWEST-PACIFIC-Drawstring-Parts-Bag-5DJA4?Pid=search

Books - I taught myself to reload with just the Lee manual http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=484416
I wouldn't recommend using just a single manual to anyone else though. I think that it's never a bad idea to have several different manuals so that if you get confused with part of one manual, you can compare it to the others. The Lee manual has a lot of good information in it, and a lot of load data for all different cartridges. You already have a couple good manuals ordered, but think about picking this one up too. Lee does have parts where he seems to be focused on selling his brand of equipment more than explaining how to reload properly, but overall I found it very straightforward and easy to understand. In combination with this forum, I was able to learn how to reload despite not having anyone to help me in person.

Get some safety glasses, and wear them. Even the act of seating a primer just like you've done a thousand times before can be enough to set it off, and if little pieces of shrapnel from the primer or something around it start flying, your eye is the last place you want them.


I know that was a lot, I hope it wasn't too much. Reloading is really a simple, straightforward process once you get into it. There are definitely some dangers involved but they can be avoided if you learn to do it the right way in the beginning. Then you'll end up with a great new hobby and ammunition that performs better than anything you can buy.
 
Update - - - I got my toes wet a little (very little). Putting the RCBS equipment together and mounting the press and powder dispenser. I punched out 4 primers and reprimed them with the hand priming tool - - - very nice, I liked it.

I worked with the balance scale (5-0-5) and powder dispenser. I am not happy with the results. Using Blue Dot powder, I got (tried to get) the dispenser to drop 15.1 gr. Filled the dispenser to the top and tapped on it after each dispersal and measured each load. There was nothing consistant as it ranged from 14.7 to 15.5 gr. That was with about 15 tries. I did recycle several dispersals of powder first and then tried to get it set at 15.1 gr. I got it set with 15.1 for a couple of cranks but after that the loads were all over the place.

I got disgusted and put the stuff away. Grrrrrrrrrrr.

I went and bought a RCBS powder trickler. This weekend I will try again. I'll try to get the dispenser to drop shy of 15.1 gr and using the powder trickler, top it off to 15.1 gr.. . . . . . . . UNLESS...someone has a better idea.
 

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