Students refuse to learn. Do not see the need.

[41Dude]

Long scary video. I wish I had a solution to what the future looks like if this continues.

 

[GasGuzzler]

Been that way for years

 

[Jeepnik]

There used to be a stigma over failing a class and repeating a grade. Now most schools promote even when a student fails.

It's all about money if a student is failed and repeats the district doesn't get money from the state for the repeated semester. So even if teachers give a failing grade to a student the district promotes them anyway.

Students and parents learned this and now refuse to put in the work to pass.

Welfare has convinced many that even if they don't learn and work they government will give them money.

You end up where we are. Yet the solution is very simple. Hold students accountable as we once did. Get rid of welfare for all but those incapable of working. Make obtaining the good things in life dependent on working toward success again.

 

[Watertender]

A friend of mine has a 22 year old grandson who is a school dropout. He has repeatedly offered jobs to the kid in his businesses because he is a good businessman.
The kid sits home playing video games and smoking pot which his mother buys for him. She says that the kid is trying to find himself. He is finding himself to be a lazy bum...

 

[pyth0n]

I recall schools AFRAID to give a student an F for fail and instead gave an L for 'learning in progress".
Left wing dumbing down of America.
Idiocracy, the movie. Life imitating art. Costco University Degrees.
Or maybe an H.G. Wells Time Machine scenario, where the illiterate Eloi roam the earth or at least America.
AI the new & improved weapon of mass deception.

 

[s4s4u]

Stupid people are easier to control

 

[contender]

"Stupid people are easier to control "


^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^


I put the first level of blame on the parents. From birth they are supposed to be the parents & raise their kids. If they allow the kids to do whatever,, and give them the phones, the computers or whatever,, then they are the first level of "who's to blame."

Then the second level is the public school system.
Instead of requiring a student to apply themselves or get failed & held back, they just pass them along. Remember the "No child left behind" attitude?

The third level is the government promoting the very same things. Give money to schools,, yet only if they pass kids along who can't do much of anything.

Then there is the tech weenies who are the fourth level,, promoting their AI, TikTok, Google, Chap stuff etc. They are there to SELL their stuff, & make more money for their own pockets.

But all this combined,, as noted,, allows for the fewer & fewer intelligent types,, to become powerful & control them. Politicians,, they want to control everything.

When all this crashes down,, there will be a lot of stupid people, (not just kids,) who truly suffer.

 

[375hh1973]

So glad I never had kids

 

[Ale-8(1)]

Assuming this is as serious as presented here, it's the scariest thing I've read in a very long time.

 

[GypsmJim]

Assuming this is as serious as presented here, it's the scariest thing I've read in a very long time.

Oh it is truly as serious. We are on a downward slope and I don't know if we can ever recover.

That said, is is also somewhat regional. In my closest large city, reading and math upon graduation from high school is in the 30% range. They also have massive attendance problems and low graduation rates.

In contrast, our most affluent suburb ($500,000 - $1MM+ houses) have 95% graduates and 90%ish math and reading scores. That neighborhood is where the doctors and lawyers and professionals live.

Where I live it's somewhere in between and is solidly middle class, 2 parent families, everyone has a good job. Our math scores are in the 60% range, which is above the state average.

The bottom line is YES, we are in trouble, but there may still be some adults that can take on the world.

The root causes include social media, cell phones and most of all PARENTS.

 

[Yaworski]

Americans love to revel in ignorance. "I don't need no algebra to dig ditches!" or "I ain't never read no books!" Of course, every one of those people has grandkids who are double honors students and being considered for the nobel prize in physics.

Of course, as a Scouter and in my job, I get to deal with many of these "prodigies" and find that they can't read, spell, or do basic arithmetic. Makes me wonder how they are honors students.

 

[RoninPA]

I can't really disagree with anything said above, it starts at home with loving parents who want to see their children do better than themselves. They lay the law down about school and are not afraid to mete out correctional changes. Not punishment - but helping make changes in attitude, work ethics, and showing them what they have the capability to become and HELPING them to get to their goals.

 

[bedfordboy]

“The root causes include social media, cell phones and most of all PARENTS.”

I’ve been saying that for years and couldn’t agree more !!!

 

[Jeepnik]

So glad I never had kids

Like anything worthwhile they take work. But like all things, when done right are very satisfying.

 

[Watertender]

In my closest large city, reading and math upon graduation from high school is in the 30% range. They also have massive attendance problems and low graduation rates.

How about the deal of paying parents to drive the kids to school and the monthly paying of the kids to attend?
Add that to the free breakfast and lunch and the amount of money spent per student is astronomical. The public schools there turn out an inferior product for the most part and it's not getting any better.

 

[Jeepnik]

Oh it is truly as serious. We are on a downward slope and I don't know if we can ever recover.

That said, is is also somewhat regional. In my closest large city, reading and math upon graduation from high school is in the 30% range. They also have massive attendance problems and low graduation rates.

In contrast, our most affluent suburb ($500,000 - $1MM+ houses) have 95% graduates and 90%ish math and reading scores. That neighborhood is where the doctors and lawyers and professionals live.

Where I live it's somewhere in between and is solidly middle class, 2 parent families, everyone has a good job. Our math scores are in the 60% range, which is above the state average.

The bottom line is YES, we are in trouble, but there may still be some adults that can take on the world.

The root causes include social media, cell phones and most of all PARENTS.

Mostly agree. But the problem started long before cellphones and social media. Oh they have helped speed the decline.

But to be perfectly honest my generation started it. Post WWII our parents, who grew up in the depression, strove to give their kids a better life. They worked hard to do it.

We continued the giving trend but with much less demand for earning what they received. And much less discipline. Most of us were really good parents. But enough weren't.

Every generation since the downward spiral continued. Now don't get me wrong. There are mostly good parents and children out there. But the bad ones are increasing in percentage. And let's face it they get all the press.

 

[eveled]

I went back to school in my 40’s. I think it did my kids more good than me.

Seeing Dad working OT all seek going to school at night. Looking at flash cards constantly.

 

[Paul B]

One of muy very best friends who now resides with the angels, at least I hpe tat's where he is is ow, graduated from high school in 1957. He then did two years at city college in San Francisco. t that point he could ot read or properly write. Funny thing is he could diagnose a TV set that was acting up and fix it.
When he got married, his wife, with I imagine lots of patience, taught him to read and write. Take note of the year of graduation of high school and community college two years later. Seems to me that illiteracy in this country is really not something new.
Paul B.

 

[wheelgun1958]

I recall schools AFRAID to give a student an F for fail and instead gave an L for 'learning in progress".
Left wing dumbing down of America.
Idiocracy, the movie. Life imitating art. Costco University Degrees.
Or maybe an H.G. Wells Time Machine scenario, where the illiterate Eloi roam the earth or at least America.
AI the new & improved weapon of mass deception.

Don't forget the Starbucks.

 

[TestEngineer]

From my perspective, the problem began with the advent of teachers unions. You can't fire a bad teacher if they belong to a union. And when the city governments demand higher graduation rates in exchange for pay raises, the teachers just quit failing lazy students and they slow down the curriculum so every student passes.

I grew up in S. Colorado in a non-union school system. One of my older brothers had to retake 1st grade because he didn't want to do his math. I didn't want that to happen to me, so I did everything they assigned.

My family moved to N. Colorado at the beginning of my 3rd grade. The new school system was union. I didn't try any more because everything was review and I was bored. It wasn't until half way through 8th grade that I saw anything new. Luckily, I had a great English teacher who held me after class and made a deal with me to get me to try again. My grades quickly went from D's and F's to A's and B's. I was the first person in our family to graduate college and I was on the President's list and Dean's list several semesters along the way.

God bless Joyce Brown!

 

[GasGuzzler]

I recall schools AFRAID to give a student an F for fail and instead gave an L for 'learning in progress".

And I was afraid to get a C. I got two of them in 13 years of public school.

So glad I never had kids

Well ... my first graduated Salutatorian in high school then with a 4.0 from college. #2 was eighth in his high school class and is about to graduate and start his Masters that he got someone else to pay for. Third in line graduates this year from high school and he's the failure at #13 in his class. That's a joke, still top 10%. Number four is a sophomore and she is second in her class as well.

“The root causes include social media, cell phones and most of all PARENTS.”

The teachers are bad and getting worse. The parents have hit rock bottom and cannot get worse. The divorce generation (baby boomers) caused this decades ago. Turning over your kids for the school to raise them started in the 1970's when we were starting school. Latch key kids and the breakdown of the American family got us here.

From my perspective, the problem began with the advent of teachers unions. You can't fire a bad teacher if they belong to a union. And when the city governments demand higher graduation rates in exchange for pay raises, the teachers just quit failing lazy students and they slow down the curriculum so every student passes.

Unions ruin everything and they surely contributed to the failure of public schools. The wack-job prototypical teachers and their weirdo ideology sealed the deal ... all the while parents relinquish so often they believe the schools actually have the say so. Some of you guys are likely married to the fleeting generation of teachers with morals.

 

[gjgalligan]

"I don't need no algebra to dig ditches!"

I had to take Algebra, Geometry, and Trigonometry in my apprenticeship training and in the 30+ years I don't recall ever using any of it.

 

[xTopGun]

There used to be a stigma over failing a class and repeating a grade. Now most schools promote even when a student fails.

It's all about money if a student is failed and repeats the district doesn't get money from the state for the repeated semester. So even if teachers give a failing grade to a student the district promotes them anyway.

Students and parents learned this and now refuse to put in the work to pass.

Welfare has convinced many that even if they don't learn and work they government will give them money.

You end up where we are. Yet the solution is very simple. Hold students accountable as we once did. Get rid of welfare for all but those incapable of working. Make obtaining the good things in life dependent on working toward success again.

No, "it's not all about the money", teachers teach while administrators, who control the budget issues, kneel to all the whining parents that threaten to sue when little johnny/susie get an F and potentially lose their spot on some extracurricular team. Sports standings have become the #1 priority nationwide, education be damned!

 

[brucew44guns]

It is disgusting to purchase an ice cream--pay a bill at cafe, go to gtrocery store, and hand a person money and they look confused. Drive up window scenario--the bill is 6.78, you hand them 78 cents and a ten spot. 4 bucks back right??, gotta go get the manager to figure this out!!!! Pathetic at times, simple math is too tough.

 

[vito]

That video is really scary. Fortunately for me, my kids all went to "public schools" but were on military bases where I was stationed, and for good or bad, finished high school with at least a working ability at basic school skills like reading, writing and math. When my youngest was already in college, we ended up adopting a toddler and by the time he was ready for school (around 2000) the public schools were already failure factories so we put that youngest child is a quality private school. When I watched this video I thought about my grandkids who are already addicted to the constant stimulation of a screen. For some of them, getting them to do anything beyond playing games on a smart phone is a real challenge.

Before I retired 12 years ago I was managing a number of skilled nursing homes. We had employees, such as nurse's aides, housekeepters, dietary staff who clearly had no understanding of what numbers meant. They could read numbers off a screen and write what they saw down on a form, but the numbers themselves did not seem, for many of them, to represent a reality that they could grasp. We had aides who could see from the resident's chart that their weight hovered around 140 pounds, week after week, month after month. But when the digital scale read 62, it did not occur to the employee that somethng was wrong with the scale or how they tried to do the weighing. They would write 62 into the chart and when I asked how they could not have thought something was wrong they would have a blank look on their face, saying "62 is what it said on the scale's screen". That was true 30 years ago and I fear that it is even worse today. And these people not only vote, they produce children who will look to them for guidance and knowledge.

 

[pyth0n]

"Stupid people are easier to control "


^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^


I put the first level of blame on the parents. From birth they are supposed to be the parents & raise their kids. If they allow the kids to do whatever,, and give them the phones, the computers or whatever,, then they are the first level of "who's to blame."

Then the second level is the public school system.
Instead of requiring a student to apply themselves or get failed & held back, they just pass them along. Remember the "No child left behind" attitude?

The third level is the government promoting the very same things. Give money to schools,, yet only if they pass kids along who can't do much of anything.

Then there is the tech weenies who are the fourth level,, promoting their AI, TikTok, Google, Chap stuff etc. They are there to SELL their stuff, & make more money for their own pockets.

But all this combined,, as noted,, allows for the fewer & fewer intelligent types,, to become powerful & control them. Politicians,, they want to control everything.

When all this crashes down,, there will be a lot of stupid people, (not just kids,) who truly suffer.

"I put the first level of blame on the parents. From birth they are supposed to be the parents & raise their kids. If they allow the kids to do whatever,, and give them the phones, the computers or whatever,, then they are the first level of "who's to blame."
I also remember teachers complaining that parents didn't get involved in their kids education, & when parents began getting involved, teachers complained the parents were in the way because in school the kids belong to them. WTH?!

 

[xTopGun]

Our local school put in Digital clocks in all the rooms some years ago because kids couldn't even tell time on an analog clock. Now they are shutting off half the digitals and restarting the analogs to get the students back to learning them. Doubtful it will succeed since they all have their cellphones.

 

[Ale-8(1)]

I had to take Algebra, Geometry, and Trigonometry in my apprenticeship training and in the 30+ years I don't recall ever using any of it.

What is your field of endeavor?

 

[Jack Ryan]

I had to take Algebra, Geometry, and Trigonometry in my apprenticeship training and in the 30+ years I don't recall ever using any of it.

Must be a plumber.

 

[xTopGun]

my son hated math, and only took the basic courses. Then went on to Wyo-Tech to learn to build engines. Wow, was he surprised when he had to take an extra course in math's to get through. 25 years later he admits that he uses them almost every day to calculate some build.