STAINLESS .44SPEC. FLATTOP WITH "T"510 PREFIX

danjoe2006

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GOT A CALL FROM THE SHOP ASKING ME ABOUT A STAINLESS FLATTOP .44 SPECIAL THAT JUST CAME IN. AS MY HEADING SAYS, IT HAS A "T"PREFIX. SERIAL # IS T510-91066. CALLED RUGER AND THAT'S THE WAY IT LEFT THE FACTORY. CALLED LIPSEYS AND WAS TOLD ALL THEY HAD COME IN HAD 520 PREFIX. THE OTHERS THAT CAME TO THE SHOP ALSO HAD 520 PREFIX. HAVEN'T BEEN ON THE FORUM TOO MUCH LATELY. IS THIS OLD NEWS OR DO I HAVE SOMETHING SPECIAL?
 
Hi Chad,

Can you share what you know about the T prefix?

Mine has the 520 prefix...but I'd like to know the scoop.

Thanks.
 
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Had to PM danjoe2006 to make sure he knows the scoop on this one before everybody else catches on.
When I hear from him I'll let everybody else know what it is.
I do expect there to be more than one, and probably at least a handful.
These NM flattops are getting EXCITING!! Better start your collection soon! A NM flattop article will be in the May RENE. :)
Chet15
 
CHET15, did PM you, don't know why it didn't get to you. thanks for PMing me. a lot of very interesting info. the gun may go to G.B. i'll post if it does. thanks again CHET. dan
 
OK. Here's my message to danjoe2006:

danjoe2006:
I didn't get your PM, so am PM'ing you on it.
The 510- prefix is what is reserved for the New Vaquero. What has happened is, Ruger accidently rollmarked at least one (and I have a hunch there would be at least a handful of them) stainless .44 Special flattops with a New Vaquero serial number.
The "T" is just Ruger's way of calling the gun a "duplicate" serial number of sorts, although it really isn't a duplicate. I have a hunch the "T" is for "TALO" in this case.
To explain a little further, Ruger is pretty adament about getting the correct serial numbers on their firearms. All of Ruger's model numbers (their SKU numbers) correspond with the catalog number series of a particular model....For example, the NM Super Blackhawk in 1973 began with the 0810 SKU number, and was given an 81- prefix serial number. Today, the Super Blackhawk is up to the SKU number of 0869.

The New Vaquero has the SKU number series of 5100, hence its 510- prefix. The New Model flattops (small frame) have a SKU sequence of 5200...the reason for the 520- prefix they all should have.

Again, Ruger is strict to holding this policy because when a customer calls in to tell them of a complaint, all Ruger needs is the serial number and the factory immediately knows what set of parts that gun needs.

Until a few years ago, I hadn't heard of any wrong model "out-of-sequence" serial numbering. Then a few Model 77 Mark II Magnum Rifles showed up with an M134- prefix serial number (they initially gave them a 134- prefix of the #1 rifle when they should have had 750- prefixes). I suppose the "M" is the abbreviation for "Magnum" rifle.
Then a few H703 prefix 77/22 Hornets showed up. Those should have had the 720- prefix of the Hornet but were incorrectly given a 703 prefix of a .22 or .17 cal 77/22. In this case the "H" is the abbreviation for "Hornet".
Then a few R580- prefix Mini-30's started showing up. Ruger incorrectly gave them a 580- prefix of the .223 model when they should have had a 581- prefix to begin with. I think the "R" stands for "Ranch" in this case.
If you can get that gun, I would definitely do it! Will be a rare "key" to a collection of NM flattops.
Do you know there have already been 10 different models of NM flattops, then start adding all the oddballs like the gun you saw!! This makes the NM flattop series a very intriguing collectible!
I'll have a NM flattop article in the May issue of RENE.


Chet15
 
HEY CHET, JUST GOT DONE TALKING TO THE RUGER FOLKS AND GOT A LITTLE MORE INFO. SEEMS THERE IS 30 OF THE "T" GUNS, THEY WERE SHIPPED APRIL 1st. BEING 510 IS THE NEW VAQUERO PREFIX, I HAD HIM CHECK TO SEE IF MY "T" SERIAL NUMBER WAS ALSO ON A VAQUERO. HE SAID NO "T"NUMBERS ARE ON VAQUEROS.
 
danjoe2006":3bi07oyv said:
HEY CHET, JUST GOT DONE TALKING TO THE RUGER FOLKS AND GOT A LITTLE MORE INFO. SEEMS THERE IS 30 OF THE "T" GUNS, THEY WERE SHIPPED APRIL 1st. BEING 510 IS THE NEW VAQUERO PREFIX, I HAD HIM CHECK TO SEE IF MY "T" SERIAL NUMBER WAS ALSO ON A VAQUERO. HE SAID NO "T"NUMBERS ARE ON VAQUEROS.

Yea, I think the guy at Ruger confused the issue a little. These .44 Specials you are talking about were originally rollmarked in error within the 510- New Vaquero sequence. They really aren't a duplicate serial number 'cause those sn's are all applied in sequence. Somebody either incorrectly thought these were New Vaqueros when they went through the sn process, or 30 of the stainless .44 Specials were sent through the sn'ing machine without the employee changing to the proper 520- prefix. When somebody figured out that these weren't really New Vaquero's, the "T" was stamped on them.
So chances are, there aren't any New Vaqueros with the same serial number as these stainless flattops....
But I suppose there is a very slim chance a duplicate serial number occured within the T510- guns....I suppose that would be DT510-xxxxx. :D

Just thought back that there were a few "wrong model" serial numbers applied to some Old Model Single-Sixes. Seems that a few fixed sight 6-1/2" guns were serial numbered within the 56xxxx to 57xxxx serial range of the Super Single-Six. Apparently Ruger didn't call these duplicates either, and they are not known to have any other letter prefix or suffix.
Chet15
 
Is this similar to the situation with the 1st 41 FTs being numbered with the Super's prefix? They have 87- prefixes and the S416N model infers Super as well.
Super blackhawk
41 magnum
6.5" barrel
New model
 
bisleyfan41":2uau88pb said:
Is this similar to the situation with the 1st 41 FTs being numbered with the Super's prefix? They have 87- prefixes and the S416N model infers Super as well.
Super blackhawk
41 magnum
6.5" barrel
New model

Right. Ruger gave the 6-1/2" .41 flattop a catalog number (S416) and model number (0868) from the Super Blackhawk series...but the gun is not a Super Blackhawk.

Then five .41 flattops were made with a 4-5/8" barrel and these were also given 87- prefixes (Catalog number S458N-41, Model number 0869). After that, somebody at Ruger figured out they made an error so all 4-5/8" .41 flattops made after that have a 48- prefix where they are supposed to be with the .41 Blackhawks.

Now, if William's makes a new order of 6-1/2" .41 flattops, rest assured they will also have a 48- prefix.
Chet15
 
Now I Hate to hear this.... I just bought a SS FT 44 just to trade for another gun that is consecutive to mine.. Had the trade all worked out. It has the"T510" prefix. Guess this news kills my trade plan..

FWIW My first SS FT 44 has the 520 prefix...
 
I bought a .41 Flat Top several months ago off GB. Here are some pics of the gun and the box information. Probably old news but nevertheless...
For what it's worth, my two .44 Spl Flat Tops are both numbered in the 520 series: 520-1789x (4-5/8") and 520-1971x (5-1/2").

P4151342.jpg

P4151345.jpg

P4151343.jpg
 
Axehandle":1wxk4jzl said:
Now I Hate to hear this.... I just bought a SS FT 44 just to trade for another gun that is consecutive to mine.. Had the trade all worked out. It has the"T510" prefix. Guess this news kills my trade plan..

FWIW My first SS FT 44 has the 520 prefix...

Hey, look on the bright side. Some guys are saying in another thread that consecutives aren't that big a deal today. Although I have to respectfully disagree on that, the T510- gun is apparently one of only 30 made.
Please send me a PM on your T510- serial number (and post here if you like)...am curious if it is within 30 guns of T510-91066 already reported.
Chet15
 
Thanks Axehandle. Looks like the 30-gun run is almost established already with the span between your gun and the gun at the beginning of this thread being 24 guns.
Chet15
 
Axehandle":g2hk4iyi said:
Gun is sitting at my FFL but the seller sold me the gun as:

T510-91043

I'll post pictures this weekend...

Hi Axehandle, I just picked up T510-91044 today.

Any chance you will part with yours? I would love, love to have consecutive SN's in this gun. :D

I'm serious, PM me if you will part with it. Ditto with the offer if anyone gets a hold of T510-91045.
 
What in the wide, wide world of sports is a goin on here? Colour me stupid but could someone please tell me what TALO stands for?
Tom Black
 
The TALO group is a group of individual firearms distributors. At present I believe they include Lipseys, Davidson's, W.L. Baumler Co., L.M. Burney, Camfour, V.F. Grace, Gunarama Wholesale, Bill Hicks, Hill Country, Lew Horton, Riley's, Valor Corp and Zanders Sporting Goods.
Only those distributors have the opportunity to get those firearms models that Ruger (or any other company) produces for the TALO group.
Chet15
 
I think I'll be keeping my newest SS FT 44 Special.... With the hiked up TALO prices the shipping kills any fair deals anyway. I'll find something else to trade for the one consecutive to my 520 prefix gun...
 

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