SR45...Ammo failure?

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Conn AK

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While shooting this morning, I spoke with a shooter who was, like me, shooting an SR45. He said that he was having failure to enter issues and had 150 rounds through it. I watched him for a few magazines of American Eagle FMJ and he had two failures on the first mag and one on the second. Both malfunctions were near the end of the 9 rounds loaded in his mags. Seemed like an experienced shooter and had good form. I asked him if I could try 2 of my 3 mags loaded with Speer Lawman TMJ in his gun. It chugged out all 18 without issue. By then he had loaded his 2 mags with American Eagle. Again, this time after the first round, he had one sitting partially on the ramp and the action open. He did the tap/rack and finished the mag. I asked him to shoot my gun and let me shoot his gun with 9 rounds of American Eagle. I had a failure to go into battery on the 3rd round. He emptied 2 mags through my SR45 (Speer) cleanly. Now I decided to swap ammo. My SR45 with my magazine and 9 rounds of American Eagle had 2 failures to go into battery. Anyone have issues with American Eagle 45acp? Hope not, I bought 200 rounds of it and it's at the bottom of my rotation in the ammo cans. When my SR45 was new I had a few failure to feed issues, but I don't remember what ammo. Seems strange both guns with different magazines would have failures on the same ammo while the Speer worked fine.
 

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I have an SR9c and LC9 which don't like the Eagle red box. Funny thing is we have another SR9c and LC9 pair which don't have a problem with it.
 
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much like the gas one puts in their car, same for ANY firearm, ,gun to gun ,may be "picky" may , may work , may NOT , you have to find and use the ammo that YOUR gun "likes", and works ALL the time...........
 

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rugerguy said:
much like the gas one puts in their car, same for ANY firearm, ,gun to gun ,may be "picky" may , may work , may NOT , you have to find and use the ammo that YOUR gun "likes", and works ALL the time...........

I wholeheartedly agree with this and will only add that after some serious quantities of ammo run through a semi-auto, it will normally become less balky when using weaker rounds.
 

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That's funny that I had the same exact issue last weekend. With mine. Had about 100 rounds in gun prior to last week. Took it saturday and put 250 more rounds. Thru it. And still getting failure to feed issues. Using American beagle and pmc also and at least 1 failure per mag if not 2. (230g) Thought it was either mags or ammo Did shot also 100 rounds of pmc jhp at 185 grain thru my sr45 and my sr1911 with not even a hic-up. I'll try another type to see if it make a difference. Hope so. Don't want to send a gun back
 

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Its funny how people spend $500 on a gun, a hundred or two on upgrades and accesories. And then use the cheapest and crappiest ammo on the planet earth .... as if it DOESN'T matter. Then they complain about groupsize and functionality issues.

Buy good ammo .... or better yet .... make your own and your problems will be over in most cases.

Its no wonder most people can't shoot well considering the garbage they run through their guns ....

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unfortunately with the climate of ammo hourding by the feds, there is limited brands that stores are getting. here in ct theres not many places that are getting different brands. hoffmans guns , cabelas, dicks sports are all getting the same garbage..i would prefer remington , winchester, ect....so i dont prefer to shot garbage ammo thru any of my guns...
 

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revhigh said:
Its funny how people spend $500 on a gun, a hundred or two on upgrades and accesories. And then use the cheapest and crappiest ammo on the planet earth .... as if it DOESN'T matter. Then they complain about groupsize and functionality issues.

Buy good ammo .... or better yet .... make your own and your problems will be over in most cases.

Its no wonder most people can't shoot well considering the garbage they run through their guns ....

REV
Yeah, it's also funny when you can pay $200 for a used Sigma that has put thousands of rounds of cheap ammo through it without any issues. Or my SR9 that can shoot Wolf or American Eagle all day long.
 

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Conn AK said:
revhigh said:
Its funny how people spend $500 on a gun, a hundred or two on upgrades and accesories. And then use the cheapest and crappiest ammo on the planet earth .... as if it DOESN'T matter. Then they complain about groupsize and functionality issues.

Buy good ammo .... or better yet .... make your own and your problems will be over in most cases.

Its no wonder most people can't shoot well considering the garbage they run through their guns ....

REV
Yeah, it's also funny when you can pay $200 for a used Sigma that has put thousands of rounds of cheap ammo through it without any issues. Or my SR9 that can shoot Wolf or American Eagle all day long.


If you're only into quantity and low price rather than measurable accuracy .... Then you've picked the right guns .... And ammo.

Enjoy.


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I do enjoy. And you enjoy your superior ammo and "quality" handguns, sir. A lowly commoner, I enjoy hitting the target all day long @50 feet (even with Wolf ammo) or planking the steel plates with my SR9. I don't really care if the 3rd,4th and 7th round are touching on paper-but that's just me. I wouldn't lose sleep over it, my good man.
 

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Like I said if I could of bought better ammo I absolutely would. But there wasnt It always makes me think about joining forums when I have to read opinions from people who have nothing to say except garbage Next time I need an opinion from anyone it won't be u rev. Been on this site just a few days and the b.s has started. Didn't take long Conn ak. Hope we find an answer having same issue with the new 1911. Both bought at the same time. But not enough rounds thru it yet
 

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You can believe whatever you want. Clearly your inexperience in diagnosing a simple feeding and chambering issue show that you don't understand that the inconsistency in cheap ammo can cause these symptoms. Do you think for a minute that when you send a gun back to Ruger, that they use garbage $10 a box ammo to try to diagnose issues ? No ... They don't. The gun works flawlessly at Ruger, and then the customer gets the gun back, feeds it garbage, and the problem returns, leading the customer to think that Ruger didn't resolve the problem. News flash .... There never WAS a problem in most cases.

Read the SR22 threads .... Funny how almost all of them work OK with with CCI mini mags, but choke on junk 22 ammo.

If you know so much about what is BS and what isn't .... How come you're asking for help for such a basic issue ? The first thing anybody who knows anything about guns will tell you to resolve problems like these is ... 'try it with some quality ammo'.

I've only heard and seen about 5000 threads like these in the last 8 years or so ... But I'm sure you guys know more than the rest of us .... Which is why you're here asking these types of questions.

Good luck with your guns.


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revhigh said:
You can believe whatever you want. Clearly your inexperience in diagnosing a simple feeding and chambering issue show that you don't understand that the inconsistency in cheap ammo can cause these symptoms. Do you think for a minute that when you send a gun back to Ruger, that they use garbage $10 a box ammo to try to diagnose issues ? No ... They don't. The gun works flawlessly at Ruger, and then the customer gets the gun back, feeds it garbage, and the problem returns, leading the customer to think that Ruger didn't resolve the problem. News flash .... There never WAS a problem in most cases.
REV

I think you're overstating the importance of "quality" ammo. I had a Glock 20 that I bought with the express purpose of being able to use a quality brand, in this case Double Tap ammo. The gun wouldn't run on Double Tap, it ran on cheap, low power ammo. Sent it back to Glock. They returned it saying it ran just fine. I called and they said that they used the same low end Blazer aluminum for service checks that I used. Having a 10mm auto that won't run on full power ammo was a waste so I sold it. So, If a major manufacturer uses "cheapo" ammo, one would suggest it will work for others.

If you have such distaste for the new striker fired Rugers, why do you comment on this forum? My SR9C doesn't have but 400 rds through it but it hasn't choked on American Eagle, Blazer Brass or Hornady Critical Duty. Don
 

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As the original poster of this thread, my only question was if other SR45 owners had issues with American Eagle because on the day in question 2 SR45s had issues with that brand and I have already purchased several boxes of said ammo, but haven't shot it yet. As the original poster, note that Speer Lawman TMJ ran fine. Note to the Rev, Speer Lawman TMJ was $5 less expensive a box when I bought it than the American Eagle FMJ I haven't shot yet- so by your logic I should have had problems with the Speer ammo because it, too, is "cheap" ammo big buck guys like you wouldn't even consider. I appreciate the response from Kevets and Oldillini. Hopefully the American Eagle issue was that particular box of ammo on that particular day. Snowdevil123, you pegged it. Every gun forum has a few mega posters who know everything, criticize everyone and change the thread with their own self-importance.
 

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DonD said:
revhigh said:
You can believe whatever you want. Clearly your inexperience in diagnosing a simple feeding and chambering issue show that you don't understand that the inconsistency in cheap ammo can cause these symptoms. Do you think for a minute that when you send a gun back to Ruger, that they use garbage $10 a box ammo to try to diagnose issues ? No ... They don't. The gun works flawlessly at Ruger, and then the customer gets the gun back, feeds it garbage, and the problem returns, leading the customer to think that Ruger didn't resolve the problem. News flash .... There never WAS a problem in most cases.
REV

I think you're overstating the importance of "quality" ammo. I had a Glock 20 that I bought with the express purpose of being able to use a quality brand, in this case Double Tap ammo. The gun wouldn't run on Double Tap, it ran on cheap, low power ammo. Sent it back to Glock. They returned it saying it ran just fine. I called and they said that they used the same low end Blazer aluminum for service checks that I used. Having a 10mm auto that won't run on full power ammo was a waste so I sold it. So, If a major manufacturer uses "cheapo" ammo, one would suggest it will work for others.

If you have such distaste for the new striker fired Rugers, why do you comment on this forum? My SR9C doesn't have but 400 rds through it but it hasn't choked on American Eagle, Blazer Brass or Hornady Critical Duty. Don


I didn't say you HAD to use nothing but quality ammo, I said that that would be the first step in analyzing a problem involving feeding and cycling. Many guns run just fine with the WWB level of ammo. It's unlikely that you would get optimum performance (group size) from the cheap ammo, though. I've NEVER seen Blazer, WWB, or other cheap ammo from a Walmart or Dicks yield the best results. Read any gun test. It's usually the premium ammo that yields the best results.

To be honest .... I have a distaste for pretty much ALL plastic guns. Ruger or not. The longer they're out, the worse and cheaper they seem to get. It's a race to the bottom lately with this new plastic junk. Look at the entire LC? Lineup. If you can handle one of these LC things and then say they're quality guns .... Well OK then .... We have nothing else to talk about ....

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I've seen about a hundred or so threads like this and the OP himself pointed to the Federal AE as the issue and as he later surmised, it could be a case were Federal had a bad run and he ended up with a bad box or more of this stuff. Factory range fodder ammunition in the last 5 or 6 years has gotten a bit hit and miss with quality and that goes to even the biggest manufacturers.
Most of us have seen pics of horrible looking WWB in various calibers, if they can't get the outside looking right, how do you think the inside is doing?
Federal Champion centerfire pistol ammo seems to have gotten the rep of being weak and it appears that is mostly true.
Remington UMC has been a bane with pistol shooters for a long time, it's loaded light and the flat nosed bullet used in 9mm presents feeding issues and also can end up into the rifling when chambered due to it's extended ogive.
It got to the point with me that the only ammo I could trust was Sellier & Bellot a good, inexpensive Czech made ammo. The problem, availability was and is an issue because I shoot a lot, I needed quantities and a source that stocked it always, that went away some time back. Before all this, I reloaded on a small scale with my friends equipment and two years ago I went out and bought my own press and now reload 100% of my centerfire pistol ammo.
I still test out some factory ammo, mostly off the wall stuff or something new from a known maker, I get asked to do this by people from time to time.
The answer isn't that you have to reload to get it right, on the first page I gave a good opinion as to a way to look at it. The OP hasn't stated his round total thru this gun so far but weaker ammo tends to cycle better after the gun has been fired a good bit 500 rounds or so. Many times ammo issue isn't solely an ammo issue, new shooters or those with poor technique will always have problems with borderline ammo as the grip and hold structure will allow the guns slide to loss momentum and either it will not extract and eject correctly or feed the next round in a timed fashion.
Beating up my friend Rev won't help anyone in solving their problems or getting good advice. I give good advice on here all the time, some choose to listen and some may not, some want to argue with me about something they know very little about and that only makes me laugh at them and lead them into a forum thread oblivion.
 

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revhigh said:
DonD said:
revhigh said:
You can believe whatever you want. Clearly your inexperience in diagnosing a simple feeding and chambering issue show that you don't understand that the inconsistency in cheap ammo can cause these symptoms. Do you think for a minute that when you send a gun back to Ruger, that they use garbage $10 a box ammo to try to diagnose issues ? No ... They don't. The gun works flawlessly at Ruger, and then the customer gets the gun back, feeds it garbage, and the problem returns, leading the customer to think that Ruger didn't resolve the problem. News flash .... There never WAS a problem in most cases.
REV

I think you're overstating the importance of "quality" ammo. I had a Glock 20 that I bought with the express purpose of being able to use a quality brand, in this case Double Tap ammo. The gun wouldn't run on Double Tap, it ran on cheap, low power ammo. Sent it back to Glock. They returned it saying it ran just fine. I called and they said that they used the same low end Blazer aluminum for service checks that I used. Having a 10mm auto that won't run on full power ammo was a waste so I sold it. So, If a major manufacturer uses "cheapo" ammo, one would suggest it will work for others.

If you have such distaste for the new striker fired Rugers, why do you comment on this forum? My SR9C doesn't have but 400 rds through it but it hasn't choked on American Eagle, Blazer Brass or Hornady Critical Duty. Don


I didn't say you HAD to use nothing but quality ammo, I said that that would be the first step in analyzing a problem involving feeding and cycling. Many guns run just fine with the WWB level of ammo. It's unlikely that you would get optimum performance (group size) from the cheap ammo, though. I've NEVER seen Blazer, WWB, or other cheap ammo from a Walmart or Dicks yield the best results. Read any gun test. It's usually the premium ammo that yields the best results.

To be honest .... I have a distaste for pretty much ALL plastic guns. Ruger or not. The longer they're out, the worse and cheaper they seem to get. It's a race to the bottom lately with this new plastic junk. Look at the entire LC? Lineup. If you can handle one of these LC things and then say they're quality guns .... Well OK then .... We have nothing else to talk about ....

REV

Well, virtually all the top sellers in the defensive pistol area are polymer and frequently striker fired. Glock, S&W and Ruger dominate the market and all are reliable, capable defensive pistols. Each to his/her own. Don
 

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