SR 22 question

[gig]

Has anyone taken a SR22 completely apart to remove the mag disconnect?
I have searched the board for gunsmithing instruction on the SR22 with no luck, maybe it's somewhere and I just have not found it yet.

Any help?
thanks
gig

 

[WIL TERRY]

WHY would you want to do something silly like that ??

 

[gig]

WHY would you want to do something silly like that ??

Because gunsmiths charge for doing those kind of things for other folks.

 

[WIL TERRY]

GIG,
I DO NOT MEAN TO MAKE LIGHT OF YOUR QUESTION but NO pistolsmith worth his salt or with the brains of a kumquat will dismantle ANY safety system in any modern pistol. When push come to shove, and an accident happens with the pistol he does that to, any third year law student can and will eat his azz alive, take everything he owns or ever will own, and you will still be SOL because yo paid him to do it. Doing it yourself drops it all in your lap and your own lawyer who'll think you are the dumbest chump in the panhandle and will end up owning all you've ever had or will have.
OTHER THAN THAT IT IS A HELL OF A FINE IDEA; HAVE AT IT !!

And so it goes...

 

[gig]

GIG,
I DO NOT MEAN TO MAKE LIGHT OF YOUR QUESTION...........And so it goes...

Well then WIL, would it be your suggestion that we all rush out with all the pistols we all have that do NOT have mag disconnects and have a gunsmith who has a good lawyer install the safety devices into all of them?

And perhaps since there are pistols on the market that have manual safeties we should have manual safeties installed on our Glocks?

Tell me WIL, does every pistol you own have a mag disconnect? And if not are you loosing sleep over it?

 

[gig]

WIL, perhaps you would like to give these guys some of your legal advice.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qin3g_T9HvY -mag disconnect for LC9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dHXND_9-bE -mag disconnect for SR9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDeJisPmtDE -mag disconnect for MKlll

 

[WIL TERRY]

YOU HAVE MIS-READ THE ENTIRE INTENT, SIR. I would add nothing to a safety system and would never EVER dismantle part of it for the same reason. IT does not matter what you like. it does not matter what I like, it only matters what a jury will perceive when the prosecuting attorney tells them " YOU knew better than the gun company what safeties you needed before the accidental discharge that would not have accured and killed that child if YOU"D have left THAT gun as factory issued." OH, by the way, the gun company will be all over you, the child's family will be all over you, and the pistolsmith will blame you too as " it was [your] idea in the first place."
Glocks do have a safety, right in the middle of the trigger....[ it even sounds silly doesn't it !!? ]
And I lose sleep over nothing and never have , Gig.

 

[gig]

......Glocks do have a safety, right in the middle of the trigger....[ it even sounds silly doesn't it !!? ].....

The sr22 with mag disconnect removed would have the same trigger safety as does the Glock in that neither would fire unless the trigger is pulled.

I do agree with this safety system!

What does seem silly is many worshipped 1911's do NOT have the trigger safety system. Take the manual safety off, hammer cocked, drop the pistol and boom!
To me, that is something to loose sleep over.

 

[gig]

YOU HAVE MIS-READ THE ENTIRE INTENT, SIR. I would add nothing to a safety system and would never EVER dismantle part of it for the same reason. IT does not matter what you like. it does not matter what I like, it only matters what a jury will perceive when the prosecuting attorney tells them " YOU knew better than the gun company what safeties you needed before the accidental discharge that would not have accured and killed that child if YOU"D have left THAT gun as factory issued." OH, by the way, the gun company will be all over you, the child's family will be all over you, and the pistolsmith will blame you too as " it was [your] idea in the first place."
Glocks do have a safety, right in the middle of the trigger....[ it even sounds silly doesn't it !!? ]
And I lose sleep over nothing and never have , Gig.

Ok WIL, as Ellen Degeneres said to Kathy Lee Gifford: "May I be Frank with you?"

A vast majority of the pistols carried daily by LE do NOT have a magazine disconnect.
Therefore if all the legal pitfalls you listed above are viable, then all the LE's are also subject to all your pitfalls because the lawyers can always say:
"There are pistols available on the market that do have mag disconnects and you are liable because you are carrying a pistol that does not.

Oh, and by the way, you know that little alarm that goes off when you do not have your seat belt fastened?
Please don't tell anyone, but I have disabled it on all my farm trucks.

 

[ArmedinAZ]

ALRIGHT! :mrgreen: Do/Don't mess with pistol safety features legal argument number 953!

Gig, Wil's point that few gunsmiths would disable a safety feature is valid. And it isn't that a particular pistol is missing something like a mag disco and another one has it, the concern is when an owner disables ANY safety feature.

Wil, it's Gig's pistol to do with what he wants. It's a 22, most likely not to be used for regular self-defense, not such a big deal.

DRAW! :wink:

Gig, is the disco causing a problem or do you just not like the idea?

 

[gig]

Gig, is the disco causing a problem or do you just not like the idea?

Not particularly any problem, it's just that manual of arms thing. I learned without a mag disconnect, all my other pistols either came without a mag disconnect or the disconnect received its due and I would like all my pistols to function as close to the same as possible.

Wil is right that most gunsmiths will not touch the job and that is why I was inquiring about a diy video.
And Will is also right to voice his opinion that he would never do it himself; however he has no right to disparage myself for wanting to do it to my own pistol.
Another reason is without the disconnect the mags would go in and out easier.

Perhaps we should run a pole on this forum so folks could vote whether they like or dislike mag disconnects.

 

[Cubby]

I guess my question would be: If you don't want a magazine disconnect, why buy a gun with one?

 

[gig]

I guess my question would be: If you don't want a magazine disconnect, why buy a gun with one?

My question is what business is it of anyone else how I might tweak my personal firearms so long as it is legal?
My initial question was NOT should I or shouldn't I remove the disco, my question was simply does anyone know how to do it.
And I am quiet willing to get past all this liberal controlism and get to my initial question.
If you prefer a mag disco, I say FINE, leave it alone; but no one has the right to step on my intelligence for not liking a mag disco.

Many shooter like to relieve all the spring tension in a firearm when putting the firearm at rest, this would include the hammer spring.
However on a pistol with a mag disco the only way to do this is to insert an empty magazine.
As an example, one must keep an empty mag handy just to disarm the pistol to get into a vehicle while moving from one location to another.
It is my opinion that if a person needs the 3rd level of safety granted by a mag disco, then quiet possibly the person should not be handling firearms in the first place.
gig

 

[Cubby]

I guess my question would be: If you don't want a magazine disconnect, why buy a gun with one?

My question is what business is it of anyone else how I might tweak my personal firearms so long as it is legal?
My initial question was NOT should I or shouldn't I remove the disco, my question was simply does anyone know how to do it.
And I am quiet willing to get past all this liberal controlism and get to my initial question.
If you prefer a mag disco, I say FINE, leave it alone; but no one has the right to step on my intelligence for not liking a mag disco.

Many shooter like to relieve all the spring tension in a firearm when putting the firearm at rest, this would include the hammer spring.
However on a pistol with a mag disco the only way to do this is to insert an empty magazine.
As an example, one must keep an empty mag handy just to disarm the pistol to get into a vehicle while moving from one location to another.
It is my opinion that if a person needs the 3rd level of safety granted by a mag disco, then quiet possibly the person should not be handling firearms in the first place.
gig

Throw all of the "Hissy" fits you want! I still think that my question is valid....

 

[gig]

Throw all of the "Hissy" fits you want! I still think that my question is valid....

Actually I save my "Hissy" fits for Thursday, I was only stating facts. If you wish to address these facts by name calling, that's your right.

I do agree with you that you have a valid question; however I disagree that it is valid in this thread.

This thread deals with how to remove the mag disco; not whether one should or should not do it.

 

[Cubby]

Throw all of the "Hissy" fits you want! I still think that my question is valid....

Actually I save my "Hissy" fits for Thursday, I was only stating facts. If you wish to address these facts by name calling, that's your right.

I do agree with you that you have a valid question; however I disagree that it is valid in this thread.

This thread deals with how to remove the mag disco; not whether one should or should not do it.

Well, I didn't do any name calling. It's your thread, so I'll butt out. I am glad it's not Thursday. I would hate to see you on a Bad Day !!

 

[5of7]

I have personally deactivated a trigger safety on one gun that I owned because I didn't care for the way it required me to position my finger on the trigger.

In that case, it was a varmint pistol with a so-called "cannon breech" chambered in .221 Fireball. What I did was make a trigger shoe that kept the safety depressed, thereby deactivating it.

At a later point in time, I sold the gun, but before doing so, I removed the trigger shoe and refused to sell the shoe with the gun, even though the buyer pleaded with me to do so.

The point is that as long as I owned the gun, I had control of how it was used and considered myself smart enough to adjust to the fact that this particular safety device had been deactivated.

I kinda think that Gig is smart enough to understand that too, although, not knowing him personally, I could be wrong about that. 8)

 

[ArmedinAZ]

Well Gig, looks like the thing to do is step up and make your own Youtube vid and become rich and famous! :wink:

 

[gig]

Well Gig, looks like the thing to do is step up and make your own Youtube vid and become rich and famous! :wink:

Hee, hee, hee, I would; but I still don't know how to take the dern thing apart and I am not about to ask again.

 

[ArmedinAZ]

Well Gig, looks like the thing to do is step up and make your own Youtube vid and become rich and famous! :wink:

Hee, hee, hee, I would; but I still don't know how to take the dern thing apart and I am not about to ask again.

Don't be skeerd, someone has to be first. :wink:

 

[gig]

I will tell ya that I have a 3/32 roll pin punch on order...................

 

[markbrumbaugh]

While all the concerns and warnings are valid....these concerns darn near apply to having a CHL or even owning a weapon. We need to let us fellow freedom loving gun owners have the right to be freedom loving. That means however they want their lawfully owned private property used, deserves a fellow gun owner's respect. Just my opinion, but we need to respect our community and bloviate less about what others do or like. I've been especially disturbed lately by know-it-all "experts" on other forums talking down to less experienced folks. Opinions can be shared, hopefully without telling someone they are an idiot. (Whoops I may have just done it myself.)

 

[5of7]

While all the concerns and warnings are valid....these concerns darn near apply to having a CHL or even owning a weapon. We need to let us fellow freedom loving gun owners have the right to be freedom loving. That means however they want their lawfully owned private property used, deserves a fellow gun owner's respect. Just my opinion, but we need to respect our community and bloviate less about what others do or like. I've been especially disturbed lately by know-it-all "experts" on other forums talking down to less experienced folks. Opinions can be shared, hopefully without telling someone they are an idiot. (Whoops I may have just done it myself.)

Well put.... 8)

 

[abumpa]

If I recall correctly Mag disconnects were developed for those that may find themselves is a struggle for control of their own gun. Like a police officer. Cops go towards trouble daily and do run a greater risk of having a physical confrontation. When a struggle occurs and a cop finds himself in danger of losing his gun he can drop the mag and render the gun nonfunctioning while the mag is removed.

Personally I dislike disconnects especially when they are so poorly done that they make a horrible feeling trigger like on the Mark IIIs. One of the first things I did was remove the disconnect on my Mark III 22-45 and now I enjoy a much improved trigger.

I don’t have a sr22 so I am unable to help with the problem however I think removing it is fine. If someone is pulling the trigger with a round in the chamber, and the gun pointed in an unsafe direction, and the mag disconnect is the only thing saving them from disaster, they have much more to worry about than a shyster lawyer.

Before I get jumped on I also think leaving it alone is great if that is your pleasure.

 

[gig]

You very well maybe right about the origin of the disco; however many LE's prefer Glocks which do not have the accessory.

Seems I recall one reason for them was based on the possible improper "clearing" of a pistol.
Folks would ck chamber, then drop the mag, not realizing that after they cked the chamber another round was loaded from the yet still inserted mag.

 

[gig]

Don't be skeerd, someone has to be first. :wink:

Update-----got the 3/32 roll pin punch, took the action out of the lower frame, could operate the mag disco manually; but it looked like if I took out one more screw, little things would fly all over the place...........

I chickened out..........

Still waiting for that brave soul to lead me down the path of unrighteous mag disco removal on a sr22...............

 

[Precision32]

Can't even tear the firearm down but you're going to re-engineer it!!!

 

[gig]

Can't even tear the firearm down but you're going to re-engineer it!!!

Nope, tearing down is not the problem, putting it back together is my anticipated hangup. :?

 

[ArmedinAZ]

Can't even tear the firearm down but you're going to re-engineer it!!!

Nope, tearing down is not the problem, putting it back together is my anticipated hangup. :?

Yeah, getting it apart is a piece of cake. :wink:

Tip of the day: take close up pics before you start from lots of angles, then more as you take stuff off. It helps.

 

[9x19]

The nun-smiths are alive and well, I see.

Can't help today, but if I come across the info, I'll pass it on. (I didn't like either of the SR22s I bought well enough to keep them.)