Someone Is Having Fun In An Airplane

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GZRKm6PG918

Monty

P.S. http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/14/5899359/watch-boeings-787-9-dreamliner-do-things-that-would-make-you-throw-up
 
Well that take off was pretty good. High angle of attack coming right off the deck. Then doing a go around with high angle of bank and climb.
Yea I know the plane was light.
British Airways would bring the Concord to some airshows in the US. They would also fly the plane the way it could be flown. One demo they did was go down the runway at about 25' with about a 45 degree angle of attack/nose up. They called it dusting the runway. You could also buy a ride that lasted about one hour. The last of the Barnstormers :D :D .
 
RugerHound said:
I dunno... Watching a passenger jet do a slip is pretty neat! ;)

Years ago, I would ride with a friend that would occasionally side slip the plane to land.

Kind of a unique feeling... :shock:
 
Rode in a commercial flight one time, coming back into Denver. We had to divert to Colo
Springs, fuel up and then return to Denver (storms). The takeoff was at about dark and we
flew at about 14,000 feet (even with mountain tops). If you were not looking out the window
you did not even realize it was happening. He did a 90 degree right followed by a 180
degree Left, ALL with zero feeling of direction change. We came down to the smoothest
landing I was ever on board for.

I happened to be looking out the Left windows for the first turn and suddenly I was looking
straight up. I looked out the Right and there was the Denver VA hospital under us. It shifted
and then I was looking straight up again. Looked Left and was looking straight at the ground.
As we leveled off we touched down. Like I said VERY smooth landing.
(This was back about '83) :D
 
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That was some fancy flying for a BIG plane. The high angle of attach takeoff was impressive. Some of those turns were also not 'standard rate' either.

Jim Luke said:
Years ago, I would ride with a friend that would occasionally side slip the plane to land. Kind of a unique feeling... :shock:
You should come around here and fly out of OW3 (Harford County airport). You would get that unique feeling lots. Almost every landing is set up from a slip. This due to the runway direction (028), trees to the right of the touchdown area, and the prevailing winds. Did I mention the runway is only 40 feet wide and you land uphill. :shock:
 
Anyone else notice how smooth and seemingly flawless the camera work was? At one point during the video the camera panned precisely as the plane was making a right turn and it seemed like the two were attached by a string. Sort of like how a AC-47 locks on target by banking a precise circle. The ending shot convinced me this was shot with a camera mounted on one of those remote controlled quad-copters.

Pierow
 
gramps said:
What ya wanna bet the auto pilot was off :). It does my heart good to see a plane flown the way they can be flown!
gramps
There is no way the autopilot will allow attitudes like those, let alone the pitch, roll and yaw rates you see here.

Yes, the A/P was in the O-F-F mode.

Knowing something about the systems on the 787, it was fascinating to watch things work on that airplane. Things like the flaperons and ailerons, spoilers and landing gear operation. Trying to visualize the hydraulic system and electrical power and all the changes that take place in them as they repeatedly re-configured the airplane.

And having 8 hours or so in the simulator make me want to try these in the box.

Notice the touchdown part of the touch-and-go placed the mains almost perfectly in the zone painted on the runway.

Man, I bet those guys were grinning big time during that flight. I sure would have been.
 
coach said:
Seems pretty nimble for a jetliner even without the passengers, luggage and full load of fuel.
Yes, nimble is the word, but who says they had a full tank of gas? Having only a quarter tank would shave a lot of pounds, and allow higher performance.
gramps
 
gramps said:
coach said:
Seems pretty nimble for a jetliner even without the passengers, luggage and full load of fuel.
Yes, nimble is the word, but who says they had a full tank of gas? Having only a quarter tank would shave a lot of pounds, and allow higher performance.
gramps
That's what I meant without a full load of fuel. I assume just enough to do the maneuvers with a reserve and land safely.
 
I'm trying to figure out how they kept fuel flowing to the engines during that steep climb and pushover to level flight. Perhaps there was enough in the feed lines from the tanks. The pumps draw from a sump at the bottom of the tank, but that sump is only on the bottom during "normal" or positive G maneuvers.
 
Remarkable! Impressed this know nothing about how to fly guy.

Saw part of it in full HD on the news tonight!!!!!!!!

Would one of you pilots please analyze and explain where the lift came from when making those high angle turns?

Thanks.

SATCOM
 
When an airplane is in "straight and level" flight (wings level to the horizon/force of earth's gravity, and airplane neither climbing nor descending), all of the lift produced by the wings is directed upward (directly opposite to the force of earth's gravity, which is pulling the airplane down).

When an airplane "banks" (the wings are tilted in relation to the horizon - left wing up, right wing down = right turn, for example), a component of that lift is now causing the airplane to turn. That lift is "pulling" the airplane around the turn.

So what about the lift that was needed to offset the force of gravity? Now that some of that lift is being used to turn the airplane?

If nothing else is changed, the airplane will descend in the turn, exactly because there is no longer the same amount of lift to counter the force of gravity.

So, if the pilot wants the airplane to remain at the same altitude, he will need to add lift in the vertical direction (against gravity).

He does this by increasing the "angle of attack" of the wing. That is, he increases the pitch of the airplane (nose up, tail down) by pulling back on the control yoke/stick.

That deflects the elevator (on the tail of the aircraft) up, which pushes the tail of the aircraft down (nose up, also).

The wings are being asked to deflect more air downwards (and creating an even lower pressure area above the wings - that's how an airfoil works).

So, in essence, if the pilot wants to make a turn in level flight (same altitude), he banks the airplane, as well as pitches the nose of the aircraft "up" at the same time.

Turn the control wheel (left or right) and pull back on the control wheel a little bit at the same time.

I hope this is clear -

Monty
 
Typical Orange County CA takeoff. Steep climb to about 3000 feet tip the nose over cut the power and coast past the houses till you reach the beach.
 
On the old autopilots (such as the B727, DC-8, etc.), there was a signal from the roll computer that provided this nose-up signal to the pitch channel when a turn was commanded. It was called "versine", and was simply a signal from a synchro which came out of null as the bank angle increased. The steeper the turn, the larger the versine, and the more nose-up command to the elevator.

So even the autopilot would do this. And flight directors do the same thing.

New digital autopilots also do this but we don't have to learn the insides of the boxes these days like we did back then.
 
Monte,

Thank you for your very well presented explanation. I can see how the two types of turns are completed. Could you please take it a bit further and show how the forces you described, effected the infamous crash of the B-52 while making a steep bank/turn
similar to what the Boeing pilot was doing? Not enough "angle of attack"? Thinking speed affects lift, (>speed increase = >lift increase and <speed = <lift) can the turn be made too slow decreasing lift to the point that "angle of attack" can not add enough lift?

I appreciate you taking your time and knowledge to answer these questions.

SATCOM
 
Yep In a bank stall speed increases as angle of bank increases along with G load. The BUFF was to slow for the angle of bank and not enough power to increase angle of attack would be my guess.
In my Biplane I can fly with the wings 90 degrees to the ground and in a straight line IF the speed is up, but only for so long :wink: The fuselage will create some lift while the nose is held high with a lot of top rudder.
The stall spin is still one of the top killers in aviation. To slow to much bank wing stalls plane will flip to the high wing and try to spin. Just one of the rules of flight. Tight turns can be done if speed is up. Think like in a real slow slow roll. :D Speed is Life
 

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