Ruger Vaquero help

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I'm looking at buying a vaquero 45 colt and I want to know what the difference is between the old vaquero and the new vaquero? Will the old vaquero handle hot 45 colt loads for bear protection as I plan on keeping it in the tent at night while on a hunting trip and as protection while hiking in the woods. Had a close call last year with a big bear while out in the woods so it's time to do something.

My dad had a 45 colt ruger blackhawk that he loaded with sized down 45-70 hard cast bullets with a hefty charge of powder, that load was good bear medicine as he killed a number of bears with it during hunting season. Will the old Vaquero handle a load like that and will the new vaquero handle a load like that also?

Any help is appreciated,

Thanks
 
If romp 'em, stomp 'em 45 Colt loads are what you desire, then the large framed, original vaquero is what you want. They are the same frame as the large framed blackhawks. The new vaquero frame is more of a colt saa sized frame, so no go on the "ruger only" loads.
 
The original Vaquero large frame could handle "Tier 3 Ruger Only Loads" at ~30-32,000psi, which is generally considered a 280-300grn pill around 1200fps. The Mid-Frame New Vaquero is NOT designed to tolerate the Tier 3 loads, but can handle "Tier 2 Ruger Only Loads" at ~20-23,000psi, which is generally considered a 280-300grn pill around 1000fps.

The original Vaquero was the same frame as the Super Blackhawk/Blackhawk, so it could handle anything you could throw at any 45colt revolver. The New Vaquero is a mid-frame, and again, it can't go QUITE as hefty as the large frame could, but it's still a quite virile revolver!

While the Tier 3 loads are surprisingly formidable, the Tier 2 loads are no slouch in their own right. 300grn at 1000fps is a heavy hitter, and I wouldn't hesitate for a second to deliver it after a large bear. In that particular situation, I'm not necessarily convinced that ~200fps is going to make a huge difference in killing performance.

As far as the other differences, I responded this at the OTHER RF a while back, so I copy and pasted it here. It's a listing of all of the differences between New and Old, but was written in the context of cowboy action shooting, so many of these 'upgrades' and differences are more useful in that sport, even though I personally value most of these upgrades in any revolver, whether it's a CAS gun, belt gun, hunting gun, or bear gun...

Differences in New and Old Vaqueros, with prices to make an Original Vaq more like a New Vaq:

Functional Differences:

Free-Spin Pawl: Ruger started putting these into New Vaqueros themselves, rather than making us all buy them aftermarket from Power Custom. This saves you $45. We could always alter the original pawl's for free, or buy factory pawls for $5 and alter the new one.

Indexing Pawl System: Ruger implemented this for all New Vaqs. Old Vaq chambers didn't line up with the loading gate, New Vaq's do. We used to pay Power Custom for half-cock hammers to make that happen, now we don't have to. Many shooters disable the Indexing Pawl (or remove it) to give themselves a free-spinning cylinder. If you want the loading alignment, this saves you $150-200. You CAN buy the New Vaquero parts, then drill, bottom, and tap an Old Vaq for the New Vaq plunger, total cost around $30 if I recall correctly.

Hammer: New Vaqs actually have a higher, longer "long horn" hammer. No idea why they did this, as it was seen as a downgrade by most CAS/SASS shooters. $30 to replace the New Vaq hammer, the same price we all paid to replace our old Vaquero hammers with SBH or Bisley hammers.

Overall Frame Size: The New Vaqueros are smaller and lighter. The original Vaqs were a large frame, the New Vaq's are a medium frame, similarly sized to Colt SAA's. For fast shooters, this means they are faster handling. For others, it means they recoil more. SASS/CAS loads are never heavy recoiling, so the handling speed is a benefit. There was no way to make an Old Vaq this light, so there's no monetary difference, just a speed advantage.

Now for a few of the "less functionally important" differences between Old and New Vaqs:

Crescent Shaped Ejector Rod Button: It's a little easier to grab to unload, but the big benefit is that it LOOKS way better. I think these run $7 to have Ruger send you a New Vaq crescent ejector that will fit fine in an original Vaq.

Beveled Cylinder noses: Doesn't really make reholstering faster unless you have a poorly crafted rig, but it IS aesthetically pleasing. Many of us did it to our old Vaq's, to the tune of carefully applied elbow grease, or $50-150 at the smith - blued cylinders would obviously be at that higher price since they'd need reblued.

Grip Frame & Grips: The Old Vaq's were the larger XR3-RED, the New Vaqs XR3 grip frames are slightly smaller, with a steeper/taller grip angle. Your knuckles are slightly closer to the trigger guard. The Old Vaq grips were "fat bottom girls" so they felt like you were choking the grip frame. The New Vaq grips are more parallel sided, which feel too small in my large hands. Colt SAA grips will fit the New Vaq if you simply fill and redrill the locator pin holes, they would NOT fit the larger XR3-RED Old Vaq grip frames.
 
Varminterror… thank you. Never quite seen it put like you just put it. This should be a STICKY!

PS- your right about the 300g at 1000fps in a New Vaq vs. 300g at 1200fps in an old Vaq… either one of those are gonna kill pretty much anything dead, don;t think the bear's gonna know that the bullet that just shot it end to end was going 200fps slower than it should have been! But man you can sure feel the difference in the 10,000psi on the other end! I own a ton of older Vaqueros, but admittedly I like the New Vaquero better. It just feels right in the hand!
 
Thanks everyone for your help. I believe my dads load was pushing that 300 grain bullet at 1100 feet per second over a chronograph. He shot a 528 pound bear end to end with this load and the bear only ran 10 yards before dropping dead.

I'm sure this load will do just fine for a bear load and protecting me and my daughter while hiking in the woods.



A local gun store is clearing out old style Vaqueros for $510, is that a fair price for this gun?

Thanks everyone,
 
Original Vaqueros at that price is a steal up here. Most people want $700 for used. I had to give $600 for my new vaquero last year.

I'd buy a couple at that price.
 
Howdy!

For your load, go with the old model Vaquero and don't look back! Yes, that is a very good price for new old stock, in my neck of the woods.

As for the differences between the old and new Vaqueros as listed above (besides the loads they can handle), I've had both and those changes on the new Vaquero didn't mean anything to me, except for the higher hammer, which I disliked very much. (And I do cowboy action shoot with them.) (Guess you can tell which I still have, eh?!)
 

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