Ruger needs to make a 10mm

[martyj]

Any reason why they dont?

 

[Tam 212]

Probably because it's not a popular cartridge?

Ruger's financial success in the past few years is riding on the wave of subcompact carry guns and a 10mm Auto chambered gun doesn't really fit.

My bet is we'd sooner see a .45 Auto SR than a 10mm Auto...

 

[FergusonTO35]

As far as I know most manufacturers have dropped the 10mm cartridge.

 

[Tam 212]

Yeah, not many out there.

Off the top of my head, current production is fairly limited:

Glock has 20/20C/20SF full-size and 29/29SF subcompact(!), Colt Delta Elite, certain semi-custom & custom 1911s makers, Tangfolio Witness(?)...

An updated Bren Ten looks like vaporware.

 

[Sal1950]

Love my Tanfoglio Witness Match 10mm, also have a .40 barrel for it and can switch back and forth in a matter of seconds with just a barrel and recoil spring change.
10mm was one of the best auto handgun calibers ever. Too bad there were so many wimps on the FBI that couldn't handle it's recoil and it had to be dropped as their carry guns. This was the beginning of the end for the 10mm as a popular caliber.
Now a days they're like my 41 mag wheelguns, you have to be a reloader like me to afford to shoot either.. :-(
Soon to be joined by the 327 Fed Mag, 357 SIG, and 45 GAP in handgunnings also-rans that never caught on.
Sal

 

[sargents1]

Hey, I'm all for it, but I ain't holding my breath.

Reasons why they dont make a 10mm:
#1 People don't buy them in enough numbers to make a business case.


It kind of makes sense really, as much as I like the 10mm Auto, you are hard pressed to say anyone really needs a 40 Caliber Magnum Semi Auto, which is what a 10mm is. The 40 S&W is really a better fit for most folks for the kind of application most people use a semi-auto for. And...40 S&W is pretty hot when loaded with +P ammo.

I will go on record saying that I will be ready with cash-in-hand if Ruger ever makes a 10mm Auto, but Its safe to say that I am not in danger of having to pay up.

Oh well. Glock has me covered.

 

[Tam 212]

I think .357 SIG and .45 GAP have some level of adoption by LE at local, state and federal levels to keep them going.

 

[bub]

While I'd LOVE to see Ruger revive the P90 and chamber it in 10mm, it ain't gonna happen. Market forces control what is produced, and they wouldn't sell enough of them to be profitable. Just imagine, though! The metal P-Series guns were overbuilt TANKS! Just imagine what you could shoot out of a P-90 in 10mm! FIRE BREATHING DRAGON!!!!!

Bub

 

[Sal1950]

I think .357 SIG and .45 GAP have some level of adoption by LE at local, state and federal levels to keep them going.

So did the 10mm in it's day, and to a much lesser extent the 41 mag.
I'd give ya odd's that in 30 years you'll hear the same thing from the youngsters about the 357 Sig and 45 GAP that I hear today about my 41's, "whats that, I never heard of a 41 magnum?".
Sal

 

[Charon]

I could be wrong, and if so I am sure someone will correct me. I think the 10mm came first, in response to FBI requests. Then there were difficulties with both recoil and over-penetration, resulting in "downloading" the 10mm. Someone (S&W?) decided if the cartridge were going to be downloaded, it made more sense to shorten the brass. The result was the .40 S&W (sometimes called the .40 Short & Weak), which with a flat-nosed bullet would fit nicely in actions that also worked with 9mm and .45 ACP.

The misguided magazine capacity limit of some years back also worked in favor of the .40 S&W. It allowed a couple more rounds than a .45 ACP, and allowed a more potent "stopping" load than the 9mm.

 

[rammerjammer]

Any reason why they dont?

It might be cool, but they wouldn't be able to sell enough to justify the cost of building them.

Profits are king in these cases.

 

[GhosT]

martyj,

One of my FAVORITE HOUSE GUNS is a self customized P91...
Back when it came out, waited for a 10MM version....never happened.


The other posters are right.
Sad to say...not enough a following for Ruger to put one out.

A shame it never happened, cause a semi auto that hits as hard as a .41 magnum is a cool round indeed!

 

[Yawn]

I seriously would consider this gun! As it is now I am thinking about a Glock 10mm but would much prefer Ruger.

 

[willypete]

What do you mean, they already have a 10mm...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=218002633

Oh right, you mean a semi-auto...

 

[ArmedinAZ]

I asked the question a while back in the Lounge about the P90 being designed for 10mm. It seems more than likely an urban legend, an interview with Bill Ruger was cited where he said the P90 could handle 10mm but he was offended by the round and didn't intend to produce it.

Here's a great thread where it is denied by one of our esteemed members:

10mm & Coffeepot

 

[Anthony Williams]

The 10MM is partly the brain child of the late Col. Jeff Cooper. Ironically, to sum up the 10MM, all one need do is to borrow one of his quotes: "A solution to a non existant problem." :lol:
___________

A.W.

 

[Yawn]

That is probably because all generations still loved the revolver en masse back then. Now, I think Glock is showing that there is a slowly growing interest. Ruger stay with what is hot, not slowly growing. Great business model, bummer for the hopes of a Ruger 10mm anytime soon, if ever at all.

 

[Bile]

The 10MM is partly the brain child of the late Col. Jeff Cooper. Ironically, to sum up the 10MM, all one need do is to borrow one of his quotes: "A solution to a non existant problem." :lol:
___________

A.W.

Unless you like to hang out around the cholla and Gila Monsters, but share the same grounds with lots of big cats, bear, feral dogs, and two legged vermin who think all life is cheap. Then the 10MM could be a real solution to a very existent problem. I truly wish Ruger would resurrect the P90 DC and chamber it in the 10MM. Until then, I guess Glock will own that market, unless you've got a grand or two to lay down on a CZ clone or a 1911 with a little girls name on it.

 

[Sal1950]

The 10MM is partly the brain child of the late Col. Jeff Cooper. Ironically, to sum up the 10MM, all one need do is to borrow one of his quotes: "A solution to a non existant problem." :lol:
___________

A.W.

Unless you like to hang out around the cholla and Gila Monsters, but share the same grounds with lots of big cats, bear, feral dogs, and two legged vermin who think all life is cheap. Then the 10MM could be a real solution to a very existent problem. I truly wish Ruger would resurrect the P90 DC and chamber it in the 10MM. Until then, I guess Glock will own that market, unless you've got a grand or two to lay down on a CZ clone or a 1911 with a little girls name on it.

Anthony, I got a good feeling that you've quoted Jeff out of context. I don't believe he ever said that about the 10mm, the 10mm was and is a very real solution to the need for a auto handgun round with a lot of knockdown power. It was brought to market for the FBI and other LEO agencies that were begging for something like it. Too bad in the end they turned out to be a bunch of wimps that couldn't handle the recoil. "it kicks too hard, boo-hoo".

Bile, you can get a fantastic 10mm in any number of styles from Tanfoglio for a whole lot less than "a grand or two". Current MSRP on a Witness Elite Match with factory match grade barrel and trigger, adjustable sights, beveled mag well, etc; is $703 and can be found for much less than that in the real world. There's one on GunBroker right now with a "buy now" price of $560
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=218739770
I'd never let go of mine, it's a ready to race kick butt weapon.
Sal

 

[Yawn]

sal, do you have a Witness?

 

[Sal1950]

sal, do you have a Witness?

Yes, I actually have two Witness Elite Match's. One in 10mm that I also have a .40 barrel, recoil spring, and mags for. So I can change back and forth between the two calibers in probably less than a minute. The other is in 45 ACP
Sal

 

[Yawn]

OK, I want one that can go from 10mm to 45... Oh man! How is there customer support? Warranty?

 

[Bile]

Bile, you can get a fantastic 10mm in any number of styles from Tanfoglio for a whole lot less than "a grand or two". Current MSRP on a Witness Elite Match with factory match grade barrel and trigger, adjustable sights, beveled mag well, etc; is $703 and can be found for much less than that in the real world. I'd never let go of mine, it's a ready to race kick butt weapon.
Sal

Thanks for the tip Sal. I've never held one or known anyone who's owned one. And I thought they were going for more than 700 bones. Again, thanks.

 

[Sal1950]

OK, I want one that can go from 10mm to 45... Oh man! How is there customer support? Warranty?

That can be done, but to go from 10mm to 45 you would have to change the slide also so the extractor would operate correctly. The good news is Tanfoglio supports this through conversion kits direct from the factory. You could have one frame and support 38 super, 9mm, .40/10mm, and 45 ACP. Slide, barrel, and recoil spring conversions will cost you $285 for the complete kit on the Elite Match grade weapons, others a little less.
The good news is that EAA covers their weapons with a Lifetime warranty. The bad news is EAA doesn't have the best reputation for customer service according to feedback on the web. Never had a reason to make a warranty claim on a gun myself so I can't make any personal testimony either way. I can say I've called the factory to order parts and have been treated with courtesy and prompt shipments. I also had a magazine develop a crack in it's body, sent it to them for inspection and a new one was sent immediately at no cost.
YMMV
Sal

PS, If you'd like a second opinion contact Yosemite Sam, he's a moderator on this site and has a Elite Match in 9mm.
PSS, I apologize for hawking Tanfoglio on a Ruger site, not something that sits well with me, but I do believe they are the best kept secret around today. Also I only own 2 Tanfo's and about 10 Rugers LOL

 

[martyj]

It probably to late to make a nice one now.
It would have to have a loaded chamber indicator a set of keys and 2-3 safety's on it to pass inspection.

 

[Chuck41]

An LC10 would probably not be in the cards, but perhaps an SR10c would be nice.

 

[Cheesewhiz]

An LC10 would probably not be in the cards, but perhaps an SR10c would be nice.

It would be "nice" until you shot it. I have no inclination to shoot a full house 10mm round in a compact gun whatsoever.

 

[Sal1950]

An LC10 would probably not be in the cards, but perhaps an SR10c would be nice.

It would be "nice" until you shot it. I have no inclination to shoot a full house 10mm round in a compact gun whatsoever.

Couldn't be near as bad as a 454 Alaskan or the short barreled 500 S&W. LOL
Sal

 

[Anthony Williams]

HELLO SAL1950,

Col. Cooper's quote originally was his response to the advent of the double action semiauto pistol. However, I did find it relevent to the 10MM cartridge, (My opinion of course) and that was why I borrowed the Col's quote. Thank you for calling me out on that one Sal.

A.W.

 

[revhigh]

Too bad in the end they turned out to be a bunch of wimps that couldn't handle the recoil. "it kicks too hard, boo-hoo".

Hey Sal !!

As much as I pretty much agree with you about the 10MM not being that bad from a recoil point of view ( I own a G20), the issue was more with follow-up shots being far more difficult due to the recoil ... rather than the 10MM 'kicking too hard', which may be the same thing.

While it's easy for internet ninjas (I don't mean you ) to bah humbug a strongly recoiling gun, when your life is on the line on a daily basis, and the accuracy of follow-up shots mean the difference between living and dying .... sensible folks tend to pick a caliber that they can shoot well, rather than brag about carrying. If you carry a more 'manly' caliber, but are blinded by muzzle flash, or thrown off target by a strongly recoiling gun, and die because of it ... where is the glory in carrying a more 'manly' caliber ?

That's why all these discussions about +P and +P+ always make me laugh. All these people that talk so big about ONLY CARRYING +P or +P+ are just being foolish. I'd love to see them shoot these guns for score, or for accuracy, or at a steel shoot where speed and accuracy COUNT FOR SOMETHING. I can't tell you how many times the biggest talkers are by far the worst shots when there's a little pressure on to shoot well. Anybody can shoot their big, bad +P+ 9MM's at a silhouette at 7 yards .... it's fun to see what they do when it counts ....

I'd guess that most would go right back to regular old 9MM ammo, and watch their scores skyrocket. There's no glory in SAYING/BRAGGING that you'll ONLY carry +P or +P+, and then looking like a fool when it comes to hitting the target.

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