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[triggerhappy]

Thanks again for all the great suggestions. I have one of Frank de Haas books already and will look for the others. Well at least I have a lot of things to try.

Why did the moderators edit my post? You did not edit the trouble makers post. I guess he has quite a few posts and that makes him important, or is he just a guy with no life???

 

[hittman]

http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=59182

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[Paul B]

thats great for you but what if its me that buys the gun you dumped and kept your mouth shut.

Welcome to the forum! You asked for advice, and here's my twopence: If I bought three rifles from the same company and all turned out bad, and suppossedly some bad revolvers, too, I would keep it to myself. Nobody brags of doing bad business.

In my day, I have bought my share of firearms that did not meet my expectations. I simply got rid of them quietly. Nobody shows up at the parade riding a lame horse.

I think...

Lloyd, you just said what I'm been biting my tongue about because as a diplomat, I'd be a darn good ditch digger. I guess we just saw a microcosm of what's wrong with this country, lack of ethics. But then again, what about Ruger's accuracy standard. When a firearm costs as much as the current price in the #1, I would not only expect decent accuracy but would demand it. One and a half inches at 50 yards don't cut it Ruger, no way in hell. That is toally unacceptable. The good news is most do shoot a lot better than that and for the one's that don't, I usually can fix myself. The ones that I can't fix will either go back to Ruger or I'll sell at a loss teling the buyer of the problem. At least I can sleep at night.
Paul B.

 

[luvs2hunt62]

Lloyd, I totally agree. I have traded or sold rifles that did not meet my standards, but never "quietly" and i would not expect a fellow gun enthusiast to do that to me. I think the ethical thing to do would be to inform the new owner and everyone else that that "lame horse" is in fact "lame" and let the new buyer deal with it, having been so informed. i don't see "triggerhappy" 's posts as whining, when he ask for advice. If I had a gun that would'nt hold a group, who else would I blame but the maker???

And let's face it, Ruger guns are known for their inconsistent accuracy standards.

 

[triggerhappy]

This weekend I will begin working on the #1 using some of these suggestions. I should have done my homework before I bought these rifles. I had no idea there were so many complaints. Cant say as I am anxious to buy any more, but I am going to give these my best shot and see if they can be made to shoot. Any other suggestions would be welcome. So far I have cleaned the barrel with jbs and used the outers foul out so I am starting with a clean barrel. I will be working with the forearm and some new loads, and we will see if anything changes. Thanks again and I will report back with the results. You (most) seem to be a great bunch of gun enthusiasts.

Lack of ethics does seem to be the way, but not for everyone. There are still many folks that would not sell someone a "lame horse" intentionally. Some folks would not want to admit that something they owned wasnt the best. We have all seen this especially with firearms. I know you have met the guy I am refering to. Everything he has is the best. I feel sorry for him, as he has to spend all his time trying to prove this to those of us that are not impressed. Oh well, always a bad apple.

 

[Quattroclick]

I am not sure I agree 100% on some of the full disclosure here. Not to say that I don't disclose everything, actually I usually am a bit too honest. If I sell a car, I will tell people exactly what I think of the condition. I told the buyer of the last car I sold that the engine had a knock, even though they couldn't hear it because it was summer, not winter.

With guns that "don't shoot" there can be a million reasons, many of which are not the fault of the gun. I have had a gun or two that I thought didn't shoot, right up till I found a load that the gun preferred. Should a gun be worth less if it doesn't have a proven accurate load? What about new guns? Few are provided with any proof of accuracy. With hunting rifles, I don't see people posting targets with used guns and asking for a premium price. Would many people pay extra for a gun with excellent looking targets?

If I knew that a gun had a shot out barrel, or a mis-aligned scope mount, I think it would be right to point that out. That is an objective description. But, to offer a gun for less money because I had not found the right load for a gun that otherwise had no known flaws seems to be saying that the accuracy issue could not be my own issue.

Most of us know of a gun that one person couldn't make shoot and in the hands of another was a tack driver. When I shoot at the deer season sight in days at the range, I see lots of guns that won't hold 3" at 100 yards. Lots. Is that because all these guns are no good?

I don't remember seeing any postings in the classifieds like this:

"Model 77 243 tang safety. Poor groups with all loads tried. Several scratches that can only be seen with a magnifying glass. Knocked over several times by my clumsy labrador with no visible damage, but I think it must have damaged the gun. All my other guns shoot 1/2" groups, so rest assured that this gun will not shoot without major work. $400 FTF, or $435 shipped in ConUS.

Labrador Retriever also for sale. Dog doesn't hunt and seems kind of stupid. Eats too much, and has excessive gas. Price negociable."

 

[Lloyd Smale]

I just yesterday brought a 7mag and a 257 roberts to the gunshop and swapped them on a 300 mag remington and some scopes. I told the owner flat out that neither gun shot worth beans. You know what he told me? He said it doesnt matter. As long as they say ruger on them people will buy them even if he tells them there 2moa guns on there best day. He said the same goes for a browning bolt. Guys just think because it has that name on it that there something special. At least the browings tend to shoot. Now if someone could combine the accuracy of the browning with the good looks of a ruger theyd have something. Wait a minute remington does just that!

 

[patrickjames]

Quattroclick,well said.

 

[Pal Val]

Quattroclick, The difference between me and the people looking down their noses at me is that I do as I say. I may not be the paragon of business morality others proclaim themselves to be, but at least I'm honest about my dishonesty.

How's that for a paradox?

 

[ken613]

I must be lucky. Of the 10 #1's I've owned, all of them have shot better than 2". The worst was a #1B n 22-250 that struggled to do 2" but would with handloads.

 

[resident]

... I had the stock glassed and re barreled with a douglas barrel, and now on a good day it will only shoot about 2 inches....

It's no-longer a Ruger, so it seems harsh to blame them for poor accuracy on a re-barreled rifle.

...The model 77 is also terrible. These are all scoped with Leupold scopes. .... I have never fired factory ammo in any of these rifles. I have handloaded for many years. Any one have any suggestions? Thanks

Hmmmmn. Perhaps trying someone else's ammo? (Not trying to criticize...just trying to be rational about this problem. A re-barreled rifle with bad accuracy is a re-barrel problem. Bad accuracy with only one persons handloaded ammo, doesn't make for a good control group in any scientific experiment.)

 

[BearStopper]

Rugers usually arent the most accurate guns out there, but no way that all of them can be that bad with proper handloading after some expirimenting.

 

[Pepa]

I must be the luckiest Ruger shooter out there. My original No. 1B Standard 30.06 was purchased new shortly after they came out and has the adjustable trigger tuned down to a few ounces. With a Leopold 3-9 Vari-X II, it can shoot dimes if I can see them. Dispatches deer in their tracks with shots through the front shoulder with Sierra Game King 150 or 165 grain handloads at minimum to medium loads of IMR 4064. No bedding or free floating. Rifle never saw a factory round.

When the Clintons convinced me to acquire a semi-auto, a new Mini Thirty came home and I wondered what all the accuracy fuss was about. For a 100 yard carbine, it's a semi-auto 30-30 equivalent that shoots just fine with proper handloads.

Recently I picked up a left-handed Mark II .270 Mauser action from a fellow retiring from deer hunting and he included his three boxes of ammo, with only 13 empty cases. The next two shots were minimum loads of IMR 4064 with 130 grain Sierra Game Kings. The first shot was into a tree to determine the point of impact, the second was directly through the heart of the biggest 10-point non-typical buck I have ever seen.

I think I would buy another Ruger. A 25-06 might be a nice addition to the family. That old 30-06 case is pretty versatile.

 

[patrickjames]

Pepa,welcome.Great first post.

 

[Leucoandro]

triggerhappy,

Are your M77's MKII/Hawkeyes?

If they are, I have found that the most common issue causing poor accuracy is when the screws attaching the upper to the stock are tightened in the wrong order or to the wrong inch pounds.

I have a M77MKII that will shoot 1/2 MOA groups at 100 yards. I took it to a gunsmith to have the trigger worked on. When the gun came back the trigger was perfect, but groups were over 3 MOA at 100 yards. I was frustrated for a while until I took the rifle off the stock, and put it back on following the instructions. That helped greatly. I then found information about correct inch pound torquing and the rifle is back to perfect.

It might still work with your Hornet, but I suspect that if the person bedding your rifle did not torque the screws correctly when setting the action, you might be out of luck.

Try tightening the screws on your 243 in the correct order to see if that helps.

On the No.1 there are some forums out there that specialize in No.1's. You can browse them for simple fixes to your rifle. Additionally the E. Arthur Brown Company does some specialized stuff for the No.1. What bullet weights are you shooting out of your No.1 (I think that the 30-06 is supposed to like the heavier 165-180gr bullets). What model No.1 do you have?


Charlie