Ruger Design Contest

Why not a two gun set for the 50th anniversary 10/22?

I would like to see the set consist of an all metal trigger group, metal butt plates with a high polish blue. The set would be an original version of the International and Finger groove sporter with 50th roll mark only.

I would buy multiple sets. How about you?
 
Hi everyone, this is Gary-Michigan and I have my rifle in the finals. Someone told me it was being discussed so I thought I would drop in and explain the idea behind it.

First, if I had my druthers, I would have submitted a steel and wood rifle but my understanding is that Ruger is going to design their own Anniversary model and this contest was to give 10/22 fans a way to come up with a version in honor of the 50th. In other words, "Hey fans were gonna give you a chance to design a rifle for our anniversary, not necessarily THE anniversary rifle." That's why I went for practicality instead of fancy.

So the concept of mine is a practical all weather rifle that addresses the failings of most production rifles out of the box. The first is sights. Most factory rifles have horrible iron sights which I guess is because they expect people to mount scopes on them. I put protected adjustable peep and post irons which not only are good sights but they emulate military sights for training purposes. Learn on the 22 and it directly translates in to most military type sights. The next issue is that if companies expect you to mount a scope why isn't the comb of the stock high enough to see through the scope? Problem solved by using the stock from the new American Rimfire bolt action. (I bought the American Rimfire bolt action and the first thing I said when I brought it home was "they have got to put this stock on a 10/22!"

That stock also solves the problem of the stock being too long for kids and smaller people or too short for adults. I put a integral scope rail on the top and of course the stock already comes with sling studs.

I teach a lot of kids and new shooters to shoot rifles in the Appleseed program. The flash hider is really intended to protect the muzzle from digging into the sand, dirt, mud, snow or being banged on cement when we shoot in prone. It is also useful in the field while hunting as well. We started putting flash hiders aka "mud guards" on our rifles to prevent damage. The best way to do that is by threading the barrels which also allows the use of other attachments such as sound suppressors. It just adds versatility.

All of those things, the stock, sights, threaded stainless upper are already made by Ruger in one form or another. Using them on this design keeps the manufacturing process simple and affordable.

Finally, I am pretty sure you will see a wood stocked take down rifle in the next year regardless of who wins. However, I sure would like to see a practical out of the box 10/22 be made. So, if you don't mind helping that happen, vote for Gary-Michigan.

 
Checkout the link from the site Gary Michigan belongs to . People voting multipule times a day under different log ins and it is being encouraged in the post ! Unreal how money brings out the worst in people . He even states if he got enough votes , we would donate a gun to the site for a raffle .
The RULES state "one vote a day " Hope he doesn't win or I guess cheating does pay.

Don

http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?t=268374

PS I did send a jpeg photos of all the post from the thread to Ruger to review as well . Just hope they do the right thing .
 
I'll vote with my wallet, none of the finalists represent a rifle I'd buy.

If those are the best they can do for a 50th anniversary, I'll pass.
 
Posted by Garymac66 over on the Michigan forum:

Apparently not everyone here is excited about my rifle. This was posted over on the Rugerforum.com forum. I would guess he is a member here as well. Sour grapes perhaps.

http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB3/vie...08787#p1908787

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Post subject: a little cheating going on ??
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Checkout the link from the site Gary Michigan belongs to . People voting multipule times a day under different log ins and it is being encouraged in the post ! Unreal how money brings out the worst in people . He even states if he got enough votes , we would donate a gun to the site for a raffle .
The RULES state "one vote a day " Hope he doesn't win or I guess cheating does pay.

Don

http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showth ... p?t=268374

PS I did send a jpeg photos of all the post from the thread to Ruger to review as well . Just hope they do the right thing .

Hey Garymac, you miss the point, people here like your idea.... just not the idea of stuffing votes. It's called cheating. You didn't ask people to stop voting from multiple ISPs.... :(
 
Must be a very shady site . Even one of the Mods there and it says he is on the Board Of Directors states " If we can get Gary the win maybe he should become a paying member" . Unreal ,cheat for a guy for a 25.00 membership fee ?
Don
 
michman68 said:
Must be a very shady site . Even one of the Mods there and it says he is on the Board Of Directors states " If we can get Gary the win maybe he should become a paying member" . Unreal ,cheat for a guy for a 25.00 membership fee ?
Don


All I can say is: WOW!

:roll:
 
is right . These guys are unbelivable . Perhaps since a 5000.00 voucher is the prize , fraud charges or something of that like can be brought against him for this knowing of the cheating going on ?

After doing some searching on Google , it seems as there are lots of problems there . The President just stepped down after being caught making money off of a group bye there without an FFL . Being it is a .ORG it is non profit .Thats a huge no no .

What happend to the days when people had morals ?
Don
 
I traded emails with a guy on another forum who felt it was unfair and unseemly of me to actively campaign for votes. He felt only people who had a direct interest in 10/22s should vote and that by me asking my friends and relatives to vote for my design I was somehow violating the spirit of the contest.

Well, I have to admit that I asked lots and lots of people to vote for me whether they liked the design or not. Even my sister who is a flaming liberal and hates guns compromised her integrity and voted for me. I think it is a good design and deserves to be made.

Subsequently, I asked the guys on MGO to vote for me (but only once a day) and they did. It's like rooting for your college team even if you never went to school there. Whether they like my design or not, I don't know. I do know however that if they didn't want to vote for me they wouldn't.

Then I came to this forum to ask for votes after laying out my design. As a result michman68 came over here and registered in order to accuse me of cheating. I presume he is member over on MGO which kind of begs a question. If he had a concern why didn't he bring it up over there? He could have said "hey guys, you aren't doing this guy any favors by talking about gaming the system". I really would have appreciated that.

So why the attack? Maybe he has a beef with me (I don't know him) or maybe he has some beef with the admin on MGO because now he is accusing them of being shady. All the while hiding over here.

Really? Do people really think that by MGO trying to shame me into buying a membership if I win there is some sort of collusion going on? Do people really think that me offering to donate a gun for a fundraiser is going to be enough for a few (out of hundreds of members, maybe 10) guys on that thread to sway the contest? And out of 10 guys, maybe a couple talking about gaming the system. I know you guys about as well as I know those guys at MGO or any other online forum. Would you guys do that? Would you condemn me and everyone over there for what a few guys may be doing?

Well, michman68 has managed to stir the pot, accuse me of cheating and omission for not preventing other people from gaming. He also has managed to accuse the admin at MGO of some sort conspiratorial collusion so they can sell their vote for mere $25. :roll: Really, would you guys on this forum do that for me?

I admit that I have become somewhat defensive and posted michman68's post back on MGO. I am taken aback and hurt by all this. I apologize if anything I or anyone at MGO has done to cast dispersions on the contest. I have never condoned gaming the system. Let's put this back into perspective and not let a few people ruin it for everyone.
 
Has anything I said here not been true ? "Gaming the system" as you call it can and does give a person an unfair advantage.

You knew they were "Gaming the system" . You have several post after that telling them to keep voting .

Cheating is cheating once you become aware of it and continue to run with it .

Don
 
Any discussion of personal ethics must acknowledge that personal ethics are always rationalized to fit the desired conclusion.
 
Tell you what Mac66, if a regular here was in the top 10 and asked for votes of course guys would vote for him. If members came into the thread condoning cheating they'd get called out on it, of that there is no doubt. You have no way of knowing if 5 or 500 of your members voted more than once a day, not everyone is dumb enough to post they did it or encourage it.

LOL.
On the internet you can be whatever you want to be.

I vote from home, I vote from work, I vote from my phone... the virtual world has no way of knowing I'm all the same person in the real world.

Vote, clear cookies, close tab, go back, repeat, wash, rinse, repeat.

I keep trying, it is letting me, I don't know if they are being tallied.

ETA: now in 2nd, @ 16%

Come on guys. Hit this vote, hit it everyday, clear your cookies and hit it again.

Gary is just %1 behind the leader, we should be able to tromp on that in no time.

I may have just done that. I'm not saying that I did, just that I might have.

And after these obvious cheaters you write:

Thanks again for all the support. Let's keep voting and we'll be able to bring this baby home to Michigan!


What you see here at Rugerforum is an older demographic of Ruger guys who have a clear understanding of honor and what cheating is, not crybabies as someone said in your MGO thread. Enjoy your win.
 
Brilliant marketing , this contest.
Collect ideas. Legalize the intellectual property collected. Put up a bogus "voting" site. build whatever design (already in the pipeline) has the most margin.

Reality check: Ruger CANNOT manufacture a "new" design of it's own in-house, in less than three months. I highly doubt Ruger can negotiate and market 10,000 units utilizing 50% contracted content, in less than three months.
Stand by for more reality checks.
 
michman68 said:
is right . These guys are unbelivable . Perhaps since a 5000.00 voucher is the prize , fraud charges or something of that like can be brought against him for this knowing of the cheating going on ?

After doing some searching on Google , it seems as there are lots of problems there . The President just stepped down after being caught making money off of a group bye there without an FFL . Being it is a .ORG it is non profit .Thats a huge no no .

What happend to the days when people had morals ?
Don


The WOW was for you.

I think you are someone else who is just looking to stir the pot and cause trouble where ever you can.

Anyone that would judge an organization based on some posts(or even actions) of a few individuals would not be someone I consider to be very bright. I could continue with some other comparison but I think they are not needed.

For the record I am a Ruger owner, since the 80s.
 
So I stir the pot by pointing out someone cheating in order to win a contest ? Like I said before you can Google their site and look for all the problems they are having there so I wont say anything else about it . I find it funny that people THINK I am a member there because I found this . Once again Google is a great help by just searching some ones screen name . You can complain all you want but in reality Right is Right and Wrong is Wrong !

Don

PS . I don't think its very bright to cheat and then try to defend yourself when the proof is in the pudding .
 
Honestly can we take seriously a person with the handle Strawberry Shortcake. It is cheating in that it is dishonest to violate the rules stating one vote per day. The design is good in terms of marketing and Rugers new plastic toy modular concept. It would sell but I just hope Ruger cans this contest because it appears there is a voter issue.
 
I think the "winner" will turn out to win nothing at all.
More to the point that his/her intellectual property has been legally claimed by Ruger. Meaning he/she could not legally build another such 10/22, as it would be Ruger property. Who wins again?

Much ado about NOTHING.
 
Took the time to let the folks at Ruger know: this contest makes me want to buy another S&W 15-22.
 
The guys on the other site yet still try to justicify what is happening . Threating to start accounts here to set things straight . LMAO Can't believe how many dont see a problem with this going on .

Once again claiming I am a member there since I know his MGO name . Hate to say but most of that site is open to the public for viewing .

Saying what a good guy he is . Im sure he may very well be a good guy however add in 5000.00 to the situation and look what happens . Just because he didnt ask for the multi votes , he KNEW it was going on and encourgaged it by his postings .

Funny to see how many of the post there have been edited since this was brought to light . Trying to hide something are we ?

Don
 
longgunnm said:
Has anyone figured out how to open the boxes with the little squares?

I kept having this problem too. Never did or would open on my computer,,,,, go figure... :roll: :roll:

Tried it on my Ipad and it opened right up.

Really suprised at the choices, I would not buy a one of em. Too bad we won't see something classic like a Walnut/ Blued 10/22 in honor.

What ever happened to KISS.... Keep it Simple Stupid.

Rant off... :wink:
 
michman68 said:
The guys on the other site yet still try to justicify what is happening . Threating to start accounts here to set things straight . LMAO Can't believe how many dont see a problem with this going on .
Once again claiming I am a member there since I know his MGO name . Hate to say but most of that site is open to the public for viewing .
Saying what a good guy he is . Im sure he may very well be a good guy however add in 5000.00 to the situation and look what happens . Just because he didnt ask for the multi votes , he KNEW it was going on and encourgaged it by his postings .
Funny to see how many of the post there have been edited since this was brought to light . Trying to hide something are we ?

Don

OK michman68, you came here and pointed out the situation over on MGO with the voting, but what's done is done. Ruger was apparently made aware of it. If the guy wins so be it but there's no honor in it. Are you going to stick around and contribute to RF now you're here or what? Just curious, are you a member of MGO?
 
I will stick with my 1977 model. Goes bang every time, no plastic, walnut stock. Sigh :?
 
I was hoping for one of those wood stock take-down rifles to win as i would be interested in buying one

i do not see anyone who would want the gun who won... (not trying to stomp on anyone's design but i do not really see the appeal of it)

I honestly do not care who won. I have no dog in the fight. I am just saying that i prefer wood stock rifles and i like the take-down
i have the Rimfire American, i don't see the merit in having a 10/22 that has the same stock as that. Heck, i dont plan on buying the other LOP stock insert for the American either...

I dont think anyone "cheated" but then again i do not think the "best design" won either....
I surely do not think that the winning design would have as much appeal as a wood stock take-down would have. I personally know a few guys, including myself, who would like to own a wood stock take-down and i am considering making my own because Ruger does not have one as a factory model.
I suppose i will have to wait and see if they make one down the road at some point.
 
also, with Gary's design...
he should have at least made the iron sights high enough to co-witness a red dot sight such as a Burris Fastfire in the reflex type or an Aimpoint micro of the tube type....
sights of this height would also clear and allow for a suppressor...

i can see a merit in that rifle is one could do that but i dont think the sights are high enough for that....
at least it would have more function like that....

that feature would fit in with the tactical crowd
 
Gunsby_Blazen said:
I dont think anyone "cheated" but then again i do not think the "best design" won either....

Over on Gary's home forum, Michigan Gun Owners, they were encouraging members to vote multiple times a day by clearing the cookies and/or voting from home PC, work PC, smartphone. Sounds pretty much like cheating...calling it gaming doesn't change it. When it got called out they deleted and edited the posts talking about it.

Gary campaigned for votes. It sounded like he had a bunch of guys voting to "bring the win home to Michigan". While not cheating, this result is hardly representative of interested people voting for the design they liked best. Whatever.

Maybe Ruger will make the Gary gun for mass consumption and something more along the lines of a classic 50th anniversary edition for Ruger enthusiasts. Again, whatever. :?
 
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