Ready made donut packaging

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I rarely buy ready made cakes and donuts but since the market had a Buy one Get one free (BOGO) I bought two packs of donuts today.

I'm not sure if it was to prevent customers easily sampling the merchandise, packages opening in transit, or some sort of bizarre child proofing?

Whatever their purpose was I had to tear the package open because their three point security lock (my term not theirs) was impossible to defeat without destroying the system.

This whole child proofing thing is going too far. I have to use pliers to open my milk, ground "fresh seal" coffee containers have gotten ridiculously difficult to open, and I have to remove child proof vitamin caps for my GF and mod them so they can be reused.

Egads, how did we get to over 8 billion people on the Earth? I'd think that removing all child proofing and warning labels would be good things to be encouraged? :)
 
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I am 100% for supporting child proof packaging The worst fate to ever befall any Parents is losing a child. Too often we do not want to be even slightly inconvenienced and forget why child proof packaging was developed. It's easy enough to figure out ways to break into some difficult childproof packaging safely by using a little common sense and a simple tool to do it with. It's well worth it to save the lives of our children and our responsibility to do so.

I am old enough to remember when there was a big protest over wearing seatbelts or motorcycle helmets but now few people would be dumb enough not to wear a seat belt or even a helmet while riding a peddled bicycle.

Back up safeties on riding lawn mowers have saved thousands of children and pets from being hacked to pieces.

Safety Glass in Automobiles have saved millions from being disfigured for life.

Anti-lock brakes have saved millions of lives.

Back up cameras with warning audio have prevented millions of accidents.

Child proof bottles have saved millions of children from being poisoned and even saved senile old people as well.

Child safety seats in automobiles have saved millions of lives.

Do your duty as a responsible adult and support and use safety devices and think of others first and your convenience last.
 
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Well, how about a clamshell takeout serving container that will stay shut?🤔
Never happen unless it could be connected to safety.

Imagine what the World population would .be if these safety measures were made 100 or more years ago.

Humans are the only animal that would drink bleach.
 
I don't think all the hard to open packages are made just to protect children.
I think they are made hard to open because , there are thieves out there that open packages in the store and steal stuff.
Yep, I’m seeing more and more packages opened on the shelves in stores and the product is half gone or eaten.

And you know they didn’t wash their hands first before eating! Those Pigs!
 
We can thank the lawyers for such stuff. A child gets into something,,, gets hurt or dies,, and they blame the product & not the inattentive parent. They sue.
And yes,, thieves are empowered to steal,, because they are not severely prosecuted. Again,, the lawyers.

If we returned to a system where a person is held accountable for their actions,, parents are required to parent,, and punishment is appropriate,, we'd not have the need for so many "child-proof" items or locking up items in a store. (Just yesterday,, Miss Penny had to get a clerk to unlock a case to get her some facial cream.)

But have child-proof containers or other safety measures saved lives? Absolutely. But if PEOPLE would parent,, & educate each other & their kids,, we'd not need so much of that stuff.

Growing up,, many of us were taught to NOT mess with medications,, as well as the adults keeping meds in a place kids could not get to.

Seatbelts,, yes,, they have saved lives,, as have helmets. But by making them mandatory,, takes away personal freedoms. In SC,, a motorcycle rider can ride w/o a helmet. THEIR CHOICE!!! Just like it's a citizen's right to CHOOSE to own a firearm or not. And I've seen cases where a seatbelt trapped a person in a wreck,, and caused death or injury. I CHOOSE to use a helmet when I ride. I choose to have a loaded gun with me. I choose when I wear a seatbelt. Personal responsibility,, should not be forced upon everybody.

Backup safeties on lawn mowers are often disabled because they are a pain to operate a mower when backing up is often necessary. I know a guy who owns a Cub Cadet dealership,, and he sees a lot of the disabled safeties.

Autoglass in cars & trucks. Yes,, safety glass has improved safety & kept a lot of people from injuries & even death. That's a progression in making better stuff that doesn't hinder our use of the product. The same thing with anti-lock brakes. Technology advancements,, that has helped.

Back-up cameras. My current truck has one,, but no warning buzzer. I didn't ask for it,, nor did I want to pay extra for it. But I was forced to. I don't use it much,, except to align my trailer hitch with the trailer. I use my mirrors,, and watch what I'm doing. Don't allow kids to play behind vehicles,, or be a responsible adult & check things around you before you "just run to the store." The person responsible,, the driver. Same as being on the highway.

Child safety seats. I fully agree that a regular car seat is not a correct size for a child. And having a special seat for them is a great idea. But kinda like the helmet laws,, and the seat belt laws,, a parent needs to take responsibility & want to use them. A law forcing them intrudes upon personal choices. If a child isn't restrained properly,, and gets injured or killed,, the parent is responsible. Oh,, and I've responded to an accident where a mother was in a hurry, pulled into traffic WITHOUT properly awaiting a safe entry into traffic. (She still had french fries in her mouth when I got to her,, and I was the first one to her.) Her car was already smoldering,, and I had to shut off the ignition, cut her out of her seat belt,, pull her out through the window, and I had to cut her child out of the child seat due to the damages to the vehicle. (EMT's will say you should not move a victim to prevent further injuries unless there was the possibility of further injuries if left in a wreck. I could not remove the entire seat.) I had to tear a lot of stuff off & out of the way to get them out of the car. All while the car was smoldering & it did eventually break out into a fire.

Would I drive with a child in my vehicle w/o a safety seat? NO. But I'd also make sure I could get them out of one quickly if in an accident.


My point to all this is that PEOPLE need to take responsibility for their own safety & the safety of others & NOT,, repeat NOT rely upon government regulations or other forced mandates to take the place of their own stupidity.

I'm not against safety stuff,,, just forced mandates.

We have these forced mandates. And look at what some lawyers & others are trying to force upon gun owners. "Safe" guns where only the owner can operate it. Locks in actions,, (S&W with the hole, Ruger with the strut lock, to name a few. They want "Smart guns" and want to remove our personal choices & freedoms.

Ever hear the saying; "Give them an inch & they will take a mile?" Lawyers & lawsuits have crippled many companies,, & have cost consumers billions. Forcing safety stuff is removing personal responsibility.
 
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I am 100% for supporting child proof packaging The worst fate to ever befall any Parents is losing a child. Too often we do not want to be even slightly inconvenienced and forget why child proof packaging was developed. It's easy enough to figure out ways to break into some difficult childproof packaging safely by using a little common sense and a simple tool to do it with. It's well worth it to save the lives of our children and our responsibility to do so.

I am old enough to remember when there was a big protest over wearing seatbelts or motorcycle helmets but now few people would be dumb enough not to wear a seat belt or even a helmet while riding a peddled bicycle.

Back up safeties on riding lawn mowers have saved thousands of children and pets from being hacked to pieces.

Safety Glass in Automobiles have saved millions from being disfigured for life.

Anti-lock brakes have saved millions of lives.

Back up cameras with warning audio have prevented millions of accidents.

Child proof bottles have saved millions of children from being poisoned and even saved senile old people as well.

Child safety seats in automobiles have saved millions of lives.

Do your duty as a responsible adult and support and use safety devices and think of others first and your convenience last.
Typical left response. Place the responsibility on .gov and not the individual.
 
I rarely buy ready made cakes and donuts but since the market had a Buy one Get one free (BOGO) I bought two packs of donuts today.

I'm not sure if it was to prevent customers easily sampling the merchandise, packages opening in transit, or some sort of bizarre child proofing?

Whatever their purpose was I had to tear the package open because their three point security lock (my term not theirs) was impossible to defeat without destroying the system.

This whole child proofing thing is going too far. I have to use pliers to open my milk, ground "fresh seal" coffee containers have gotten ridiculously difficult to open, and I have to remove child proof vitamin caps for my GF and mod them so they can be reused.

Egads, how did we get to over 8 billion people on the Earth? I'd think that removing all child proofing and warning labels would be good things to be encouraged? :)

Not sure if you know, but there was a trend of degenerates going to grocery stores and sampling or licking the ice cream and putting the lids back on. I do agree with removing the warning labels though.....
 
Not sure if you know, but there was a trend of degenerates going to grocery stores and sampling or licking the ice cream and putting the lids back on. I do agree with removing the warning labels though.....
I'm NOT against "tamper evident" packaging (unless done to extremes) as I well remember the Tylenol murders which could have easily been prevented if a "tamper evident" seal had been used.

Using "tamper evident" packaging is not a burden on consumers to defeat, anyone who thinks so needs help packaging cannot provide... maybe a mandatory consumer awareness class in preschool followed up by one in elementary, another in junior high, then again in high school, and finally in University? Is THAT what we need? I say yes if that's what it takes to get consumer's heads out of their nether regions rather than over protect the products now used.

Now we have gone down the route of securing aspirin with a glued on seal over the opening, and adding a child proof bottle top THEN adding a "tamper evident" shrink wrap around the bottle AND glue sealed box or wrapper, so this trend has gone way overboard.

Regarding your incident... Every Ice cream package I've seen has two or more of these "tamper evident" methods deployed illustrating extreme use... a shrink wrapper over it, and / or a plastic seal directly over the product, some even had a "tamper evident" pull tab strip around it to illustrate that it has been tampered with and I say anyone who eats ice cream that has had the "tamper evident" packaging removed is an idiot and deserves whatever they get from it, perhaps if we're lucky at minimum they get a lesson to NOT DO THAT? :-)

So just maybe the terms "Child proof" and "tamper evident" just should not be misused? My OP railed against both used to excess in my case destroying the donut packaging to use it has been over done.
 
If your recall, the 1980s-era Tylenol poisoning episode triggered the manufacturers' broad use of tamper-proof lids.

These days, I always open my pocketknife before opening any type of "protected" lid. I just assume it will be unopenable without a knife.

Whenever I consume the last vitamin out of a vitamin bottle, I save (at a minimum) the screw-off/pop-up lids so I can use them on other bottles whose lids are not as easy to use. And I save certain bottles, too, store meds in them and use a black Sharpie to write a description of the meds. This is particularly useful for my B-12 vitamins, which come in a giant economy sized bottle - too big to fit in my medicine cabinet.

And I use certain empty vitamin bottles as dunk tanks - put a dirty semi-automatic barrel and recoil rod/spring in the bottle, then pour in CLP, close the lid and lay the bottle sideways. 10 minutes is all I need.
 
Yep, I'm seeing more and more packages opened on the shelves in stores and the product is half gone or eaten.

And you know they didn't wash their hands first before eating! Those Pigs!
In the industry, "they" are referred to as "grazers".. especially prevalent in low income areas...walk the aisles and "graze"...a real problem as the grocery business operates on a much smaller margin than most folks are aware of.
 
We can thank the lawyers for such stuff. A child gets into something,,, gets hurt or dies,, and they blame the product & not the inattentive parent. They sue.
And yes,, thieves are empowered to steal,, because they are not severely prosecuted. Again,, the lawyers.

If we returned to a system where a person is held accountable for their actions,, parents are required to parent,, and punishment is appropriate,, we'd not have the need for so many "child-proof" items or locking up items in a store. (Just yesterday,, Miss Penny had to get a clerk to unlock a case to get her some facial cream.)

But have child-proof containers or other safety measures saved lives? Absolutely. But if PEOPLE would parent,, & educate each other & their kids,, we'd not need so much of that stuff.

Growing up,, many of us were taught to NOT mess with medications,, as well as the adults keeping meds in a place kids could not get to.

Seatbelts,, yes,, they have saved lives,, as have helmets. But by making them mandatory,, takes away personal freedoms. In SC,, a motorcycle rider can ride w/o a helmet. THEIR CHOICE!!! Just like it's a citizen's right to CHOOSE to own a firearm or not. And I've seen cases where a seatbelt trapped a person in a wreck,, and caused death or injury. I CHOOSE to use a helmet when I ride. I choose to have a loaded gun with me. I choose when I wear a seatbelt. Personal responsibility,, should not be forced upon everybody.

Backup safeties on lawn mowers are often disabled because they are a pain to operate a mower when backing up is often necessary. I know a guy who owns a Cub Cadet dealership,, and he sees a lot of the disabled safeties.

Autoglass in cars & trucks. Yes,, safety glass has improved safety & kept a lot of people from injuries & even death. That's a progression in making better stuff that doesn't hinder our use of the product. The same thing with anti-lock brakes. Technology advancements,, that has helped.

Back-up cameras. My current truck has one,, but no warning buzzer. I didn't ask for it,, nor did I want to pay extra for it. But I was forced to. I don't use it much,, except to align my trailer hitch with the trailer. I use my mirrors,, and watch what I'm doing. Don't allow kids to play behind vehicles,, or be a responsible adult & check things around you before you "just run to the store." The person responsible,, the driver. Same as being on the highway.

Child safety seats. I fully agree that a regular car seat is not a correct size for a child. And having a special seat for them is a great idea. But kinda like the helmet laws,, and the seat belt laws,, a parent needs to take responsibility & want to use them. A law forcing them intrudes upon personal choices. If a child isn't restrained properly,, and gets injured or killed,, the parent is responsible. Oh,, and I've responded to an accident where a mother was in a hurry, pulled into traffic WITHOUT properly awaiting a safe entry into traffic. (She still had french fries in her mouth when I got to her,, and I was the first one to her.) Her car was already smoldering,, and I had to shut off the ignition, cut her out of her seat belt,, pull her out through the window, and I had to cut her child out of the child seat due to the damages to the vehicle. (EMT's will say you should not move a victim to prevent further injuries unless there was the possibility of further injuries if left in a wreck. I could not remove the entire seat.) I had to tear a lot of stuff off & out of the way to get them out of the car. All while the car was smoldering & it did eventually break out into a fire.

Would I drive with a child in my vehicle w/o a safety seat? NO. But I'd also make sure I could get them out of one quickly if in an accident.


My point to all this is that PEOPLE need to take responsibility for their own safety & the safety of others & NOT,, repeat NOT rely upon government regulations or other forced mandates to take the place of their own stupidity.

I'm not against safety stuff,,, just forced mandates.

We have these forced mandates. And look at what some lawyers & others are trying to force upon gun owners. "Safe" guns where only the owner can operate it. Locks in actions,, (S&W with the hole, Ruger with the strut lock, to name a few. They want "Smart guns" and want to remove our personal choices & freedoms.

Ever hear the saying; "Give them an inch & they will take a mile?" Lawyers & lawsuits have crippled many companies,, & have cost consumers billions. Forcing safety stuff is removing personal responsibility.
Your paragraph about "Miss Penny" struck a nerve with me. Generally speaking, the Wal Mart company "closes" very few stores...yes for a move to a newer store nearby perhaps., but seldom will they just shut one down. Well not too long ago, they closed a major store in Albuquerque...first they tried putting numerous items under lock, requiring an associate to unlock it for purchase...and finally after years of repeated shoplifting, security wrestling with offenders in public view, followed by a "hands off" policy to avoid injuries, corporate just closed the store.
Pretty sad when even a Walmart has to close like that...but if you live in that area, you know just what they had to deal with...nuff said
 
Seatbelts,, yes,, they have saved lives,, as have helmets. But by making them mandatory,, takes away personal freedoms. In SC,, a motorcycle rider can ride w/o a helmet. THEIR CHOICE!!!
I would be in favor of laws stating that you don't have to wear a helmet or seatbelt but insurance won't pay for your injuries if you don't.
 
A funny story... a few years back we had a guest speaker at our church who was a packaging engineer and the basic 'sermon' was they were not as evil as we think they are. I'm not making this up... It seems at some time I read that my town (city now) Greenville S.C. has the highest population of engineers of any city in the country. We even have a company here that specializes in designing packaging for industry..... that donut package was probably designed by them......

Hartness International.....
 
I would be in favor of laws stating that you don't have to wear a helmet or seatbelt but insurance won't pay for your injuries if you don't.
Basically that's the way it is in the Nation of Texas. You can self-insure for $XXXX with a class M license and ride without a helmet lawfully. But most LEO's do not enforce the helmet and financial responsibility laws regarding helmets unless it's an added charge after a reckless driving or criminally excessive speed stop, etc.

MUCH more likely to get stopped for no seat belt THEN you may have other charges. Watch Frank Sloup on YT and see the stops initiated by the observation of no belt. He usually finds illegal tint, cracked windshield (in TX it has to be an obvious impairment to the driver's vision but not in AZ), something hanging from the mirror (not adjudicated in TX generally), drugs, paraphernalia, expired or revoked license, no insurance, etc. ... ALL from the observation of no belt.

So for goodness sake, just wear it.

You cannot get motorcycle insurance in Texas with no helmet. You have to self insure so at least that's an option ... sort of.
 
I have a thought on some of the pkg issues out there.

Shipping and handling. If your product is now being handled by a machine it must be more robust. That machine may well subject the packaging to more stress. Secondly there is the pilferage issue at the retail level. Not all neighborhoods are the same.

We have machines that glue cigarette cartons. They are notorious for too much or not enough glue. It’s a serious issue, packs strewn about or stuck inside the over wrap, > $10 a pack, tax stamps, it’s a thing.
 
"I would be in favor of laws stating that you don't have to wear a helmet or seatbelt but insurance won't pay for your injuries if you don't."

I see our point. However,,, in NC,, when they passed the mandated seatbelt law,, it was initially only a fine of $25 and no points on your license. Once enacted,,(after a long & lengthy fight to get it passed,,) later on,, they increased the fines,,, added points to your license, and as noted above,, use it an an excuse to pull a vehicle to see what they can find.

Give them an inch and they take a mile. Or in other words,, give a little,, and they keep taking more & more. Same with gun laws. Allow any infringement,, and then they add more & more restrictions.
 
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