Quittng reloading 9mm and 45acp for now

volshooter

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Last 10 days I managed to buy 1000 rounds of 9mm MagTec for $220 delivered and 1000 rounds of Wolf steel case .45ACP for $270 delivered. Cannot reload as cheap as can buy. This is range ammo not defensive. Blasting ammo. The guys all agreed it is cheaper to shoot bulk online bought for now than reload. The MagTec is reloadable. CTD had 9mm for $149/1000 last week.
Gonna save the reloads and bust some cheap rounds (magtec is really good ammo)
 
Will steel cases cause chamber wear? Always heard that steel cases were to be avoided because of this.
 
I shoot lead bullets and figure I reload 9mm for about $120 per 1000. I do no count brass and my time is not worth anything so I'm still ahead by reloading. .45 ACP runs about $140 per 1000.
 
Done some serious research as a group. Steel rounds tested aginst brass at 10,000 rounds showed no noticeable difference in wear. Actually, the research favored the steel case when breaking in new pistols.

I prefer my reloads 10/1.
When our group gets together and each participant shoots 500+ rounds only makes sense to shoot cheap.
We are training in safety and technique. Not bullseye shooting.

Most of us are saving our reloads and learning wth less expensive ammo. 75% of our group are LEO's ex-military or active. We are trying to save $ to learn.

Not sorry if anyone has a problem with a group of fellers learning from a ex-swat on technique for us regular guys using cheap ammo frankly don't give a hoot.

At least we are getting some professional training.

twobisquit let us know where you get your lead bullets, please.

We are a new group. Focus is on new shooters, safety and skill development.

DixieBoy we are trying to educate new shooters not make marksman yet. We want them comfortable with their firearms. Reckon you don't understand. It is not a competition but a first step in teaching those who do not have the skills you do. AS well as allowing the lack of skills of those whom claim to be proficient to realize they are not as good as they thought.

Hope this clears it up fo some. Feel free to have at it...........
 
volshooter said:
Last 10 days I managed to buy 1000 rounds of 9mm MagTec for $220 delivered and 1000 rounds of Wolf steel case .45ACP for $270 delivered. Cannot reload as cheap as can buy. . . .
Confused, I went up to Powder Valley's web site and "bought" 2lbs of CFE-Pistol, 2k CCI SP primers. Then to Berrys and "bought" 1k each of 115gr 9mm and 230gr 45ACP. With shipping and Hazmat came to $370.65 delivered, saving $120.

Serves 1k each 9mm and 45ACP saving ~$120. Some powder left over. Can save more by doubling powder and primer order for same shipping and Hazmat fee. Bullets include shipping, so no additional savings by doubling.

May not be worth your time, but reloading is still cheaper.
 
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twobisquit said:
I shoot lead bullets and figure I reload 9mm for about $120 per 1000. I do no count brass and my time is not worth anything so I'm still ahead by reloading. .45 ACP runs about $140 per 1000.

This is about what my 9MM and .45 ACP reloads cost me. It's definitely a lot cheaper for me to reload these calibers.
 
Components are available here. Bass pro carries Berry bullets, $69/250. I will have to check their website. Powder runs $27-35/lb, primers $33/1000.
Last shoot around 9000 rounds were fired.
 
twobisquit said:
I shoot lead bullets and figure I reload 9mm for about $120 per 1000. I do no count brass and my time is not worth anything so I'm still ahead by reloading. .45 ACP runs about $140 per 1000.


Maybe you get your brass for free, but most of us don't.
Volshooter is buying/shooting FMJ ammo, not "lead bullet" ammo.
I also note that his objective included spending time at a range instead of at a reloading bench.

Apples to oranges......just sayin'.

DGW
 
Just found Powder Valley's web site. Some very good prices. Some math, (185gr HBRN) @ $116.96/1000 + shipping, $32 for 1000 primers/ $27 for powder (local so add tax)= $175.96 so far without PV's shipping and local taxes. That I reckon is at least another $25+. Now I am at $200+ for 1000 rounds of .45ACP with plated bullets.
I have contacted PV about shipping charges, no response yet. Still at most I would be saving $70/1000. I would like to mention the time cleaning and loading 1000 rounds. Hell, I love to reload and will continue, just not now. My math shows me my time for 1000 rounds is worth at most $70. That is alot of work for 70 bucks.
For now I'd rather be shooting cheap than at the reloading bench.

I plan on ordering from PV, depending on shipping. When ammo prices go back up I will still be stocked with projectiles. Thanks for the tip!
 
Two, you saved $120 for loading 2000 rounds? I would if I had a Dillion press. Using a Lee/RCBS press(s) I can turn out 3-4 rounds a minute, after cleaning, depriming/sizing and repriming first.

Last month Cheaper than Dirt had MAXXTech 9mm 115gr. FMJ, reloadable brass case for $165.79/1000. They are out if stock but it was some cheap shooting with no malfunctions. Still have 95+% of that brass. All cleaned, resized, primed and ready to go.

I have one bud that is using Berry's bullets. He has had a little problem with nicked jackets not feeding. I'm sure it is on him.
 
volshooter said:
Just found Powder Valley's web site. Some very good prices. Some math, (185gr HBRN) @ $116.96/1000 + shipping, $32 for 1000 primers/ $27 for powder (local so add tax)= $175.96 so far without PV's shipping and local taxes. That I reckon is at least another $25+. Now I am at $200+ for 1000 rounds of .45ACP with plated bullets.
I have contacted PV about shipping charges, no response yet. Still at most I would be saving $70/1000. I would like to mention the time cleaning and loading 1000 rounds. Hell, I love to reload and will continue, just not now. My math shows me my time for 1000 rounds is worth at most $70. That is alot of work for 70 bucks.
For now I'd rather be shooting cheap than at the reloading bench.

I plan on ordering from PV, depending on shipping. When ammo prices go back up I will still be stocked with projectiles. Thanks for the tip!
No problem! Powder Valley stuck with their pricing throughout all the shortages unlike many other sites. They are good people.

I don't use CFE-Pistol, though I will after my current 10lbs of HP38 runs out. I use Berry's 230gr/115gr and Xtreme 230gr/200gr SWC/115gr). So my costs are similar to what I quoted, but a bit different.

Dunno what bullets you are buying, but Berry's, Xtreme and perhaps others make plated bullets that are at least as good as factory plinking ammo. If you buy from them, shipping is (or often can be) included. I did NOT use bullets from PV, but from Berry's. I used $20 for shipping and $27.50 (may be $1 off there) for Hazmat fee on the PV purchases. Berry's are almost always cheaper direct from Berry's (no shipping costs) except when Cabelas (eg) runs a sale :)

PV doesn't calc shipping costs until they invoice you, a fact that has kept their web site cheap (ie, costs low) to run but has PO'd some folks. I order a *lot* from PV, and have never felt overcharged for shipping costs. (Let's not talk about the Hazmat fee everyone charges lol.)

I have absolutely no issues with anyone saying "the savings isn't worth it". We're all different. But there are significant savings reloading "even" 9mm and 45ACP. And frankly a lot of us don't want to shoot the cheap stuff. We like knowing what our pistol will do with a load, and not worrying about malfunctions or patterns rather than groups. Wouldn't criticize those folks either. And it's the main reason I reload . . . I have the time, I like the process, I love the results, the savings are secondary to me.

Some comments on other points made in this thread

Personally I make ~1500 9mm and 45ACP in a session, but the point of course was the materials are there for !k rounds of each caliber, in stock, and they represent savings.

Pistol brass is pretty cheap and lasts a long time. The OP says he was a reloader, so it's a reasonable projection that he had brass. If not, a quick search shows 500 45ACP costs from $69 (Amazon, "once" fired) to $94 (Starline, new). At minimum that's 10k loads, less than $0.01/round, or less than $10 for 1k rounds. Once-fired 9mm is even cheaper . . . on the floor at the range . . . or from Amazon and would add $1.34 to the cost of 1k rounds assuming only 20 reloads.
 
There has been exactly ONE thousand round lot of steel cased ammo crossed my doorstep. I shot maybe 150-200 rounds and sold the rest to a young guy whose only interest was low price. After several split cases tied up his pistol requiring some professional help, he understood the difference between low cost and value.
 
No offense intended Dixie. Actually, I primed 300 rounds of 9mm Lapua brass, to be saved for defense loads, and 200 .380's today. I'm a reloader since the late 70's and love it. At current prices for some loaded ammo it makes no sense to put my superior reloads on the range, just for up close practice/safety training. Max range is 21 feet for now. It is not Bullseye shooting at this point. Just basic training. This group was formed to teach shooters that have little to no practice, by actual qualified shooters. I will not use my best JHP's for basic training. Later we will advance to accuracy, for that I will use my own reloads. At the present, I can shoot better groups with any ammo than most of our 25+ shooters. I reload for quality ammo. A NRA torso target does not warrant my loved special reloads, yet. When we get to accuracy, the good stuff will come out.

Got a response PV, great shipping prices! Orders to follow!
 
gster said:
What ever. I reload because I like to. It's worth it.

I'm in the same boat as you reloading is a fun pass time and for me relaxing.
Saving a few bucks is bonus time. Self gratification of rolling your own also comes into play.

I haven't bought any large quantity of factory stuff in some time. ymmv. ps
 
Finally had time to actually test the bulk bought ammo today. I took 3 9mm and 4 .45's.
I shot at least ,two mags through each pistol, with bulk ammo and hand loads.
My hand loads are more accurate, not by much.
Even the Wolf .45acp performed extremely well. The Magtec is outstanding!
Our group is planning on getting together once a month. With current deals on ammo, I am going to shoot inexpensive bulk.
Honestly, I reload 1000+ rounds every month. There is no reason to use my tried and true reloads for simple range fodder. Yep it cost a little more, so what, plus I get extra brass. I'm not in a position where I can spend days loading pistol rounds just for safety/range time. I value my reloads more than bulk. I'm out at the range having fun, with the bulk, instead of the reloading room.
When I reload I am at peace and each round is special.
I reload from .380 up to 45/70.

I admire you folks that are diehard reloaders, I am too, been one since the 70's. These are not hunting or bullseye loads, just range fodder.
I suspect if some of ya'll start shooting close to 1000 rounds a month..........you might see my point.
 
volshooter...if you don't want to use your reloads for this type thing....what do you do with the 1000rds a month that you reload?

You can't use that much hunting...and it would be difficult to use that much shooting bullseye, also.
 
I've been trying to load out this past year. Over the years I have collected so many componets that I'm called a hoarder. I did the same thing in 94, still got some of that ammo left. But yes, I got ammo that I realize I won't live long enough to shoot. I reload in spurts, like this past year. I buy components whenever they are cheap, even if I don't need them. 3-500 rounds a weekend is pretty normal shooting for me. My son and brother in law are beneficiaries of my loading as well. Instead of watching NASCAR, we shoot. It's hard to keep .223's around. I get a bud to reload them on his dillion, I just help. When the AR's come out, green ammo boxes get emptied quick. I have some LEO pals that I get to shoot with also. Private range and those sessions usually run 6 hours.
Most days I blast a box or two right off my back porch.
All rifle brass, except .223 and 30/06 are loaded now. I still have unopened boxes or .25, .30, .44 and .45 bullets. Loading in large quantities is almost done for now. At least till spring when the weather warms. Ammo stacked high, white cardboard boxes, green ammo cans and now plastic coffee cans. I do shoot more than most, been that way since the late 70's.
 

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