9mm ammo - but not the cheap stuff

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I shoot 9mm in a Springfield Armory full size 1911 ( a Ronin) and I like 124 gr ammo and prefer something a little more than the weaker, cheap range ammo. I like my range ammo to be as close as possible weight & speed as my carry ammo ; Speer 124 Gr gold dot +P. I was using Norma 124 Gr TMC loaded in US at a reported 1200 FPS. Problem with Norma is they keep changing the specs and source and pretty much dropped the 1200 FPS load. I also have some S&B that's pretty good. My top ammo though is Lapua 9mm 123 grain Combat. Listed as 1164 fps from a 4" barrel it seems pretty good and Lapua's reputation is top notch. Unfortunately; Lapus dropped 9mm Luger ammo and this load. I guess they didn't sell enough at an average of $52.00 for 50 rounds. I have been picking it up at Midsouth every once in a while as they have it clearance priced at $31.99 for 50. Still pretty high but what the heck, it's Lapua. I'm saving mine for special occasions.
 
I agree on shooting the hotter 124-Grn FMJ loads for practice. I too like the S&B, but prefer Winchester 124-NATO. Or leastways I did up until the last case I bought which for some reason, had no sealer either on the case mouth, or around the primers. Certainly not mil-spec by any stretch. ....As for loading my own, no, not as long as buying loaded 9MM remains cheaper than buying the 124 Jacketed bullets, primers 'n powder to load it with, let alone figuring in the cost to replace ever how many of those tiny little empty's that invariably get lost..LOL.

DGW
 
Well, as a reloader,, I can tailor my loads to match whatever I desire. In USPSA,, we enjoy "lighter" loads to soften recoil. But if SD & carry ammo is stouter,, it's easy to build a good load to match.

I realize many feel they can buy ammo cheaper than reloading. But I can say that even buying "cheap" 9mm ammo can be more expensive than reloads.
Brass. I get more than I'll ever need for free,, just by picking it up at the range. And often,, it's practically given away by others. I even encourage shooters to pick up brass on my range. I have several 5 gallon buckets of mixed brass that still need sorting & cleaning.

Primers. Judicious shopping, even in these times, can get them for $50 a brick of 1000. That's for known American brands. I've seen other foreign brands go for less.

Powder. A pound of powder goes a LONG way. What I use,, cost me under $40 a pound. And I can get over 1500 rounds from a pound. And depending upon the powder,, and again,, buying when you find it priced right,, can be gotten for less.

Bullets. There are several commercial sources for everything from cast lead to powder coated, to plated & of course,, jacketed. A friend just purchased 5000 powder coated, quality bullets for under $270 shipped.
I cast and powder coat my own bullets,, so my expense is just my time invested.

If buying all the components you spend about 0.14 cents each. I save the bullet cost by making my own,, so my ammo is less than 0.09 cents each. And I get the satisfaction of building what I want or need.

I know reloading is NOT for everyone. But when the ammo shortages hit,, I saw people paying $30-$50 a box of 50 for plinking ammo.
The satisfaction of NOT having to pay that is priceless.
 
Load your own and make it a 'peppy' as you want

. I get more than I'll ever need for free,, just by picking it up at the range. And often,, it's practically given away by others. I even encourage shooters to pick up brass on my range. I have several 5 gallon buckets of mixed brass that still need sorting & cleaning.

Good advice but myself I stopped reloading for semi pistol and rifle aways back. I enjoy reloading revolver and bolt action cartridges.....I don't have to walk around the range searching for my spent brass. I usually shoot drills with semis, and the brass can be ejected in various places. I'm not in the shape to wander around spotting it and picking it up any longer. If I just shoot semis from the bench at various distanced target stands (OMD-Old Man Drills my Son calls it) or just plink at steel plates from the bench, I sweep all the spent brass up that I can from the concrete deck and place it on a bench for reloaders to sort through. For example this past FRI I swept up 250ish 9MM, and 50 cases of 10MM and left it on the bench for others. At the carbine range we swept up and left about 500ish spent cases of 5.56 and 7.62x39 (some steel was mixed in but tossed in the garbage bin). Over the years there's no telling how many 5 gallon buckets I filled for the range. A typical pistol range day will be at least 250-300 9MM and the same for 45 Auto...10MM is starting to get a lot of play time now as well.

Am I missing out for not picking up all my spent semi brass? Maybe. But my back appreciates it, and the club shooter waiting behind me at times for bench time.

I do pick up and keep my spent 45 Auto now and then....just in case I ever get that Blackhawk convertible or S&W MOD 25.
 
Some of you guys that load a lot or either gifted at finding special deals, or lucky, or maybe some combination of both. Myself, all the powder I see locally is in the $50-$60 per pound range. Primers somewhere around $70-$80 or so, and are sometimes some sort of off-brand that I don't even recognize....Oh, and bullets. Decent 124 Grain FMJ 9MM bullets ain't cheap, and yeah FMJ's are what I specifically mentioned in my prior post...(apples to apples, remember)....And about that brass; we don't all have a source of free brass either, be it once fired or otherwise....What I can do though is buy some fairly good 124-fmj ammo for $230-$240 per K, and get it shipped to my door for free...Me thinks that comes out to about .23-.24 per pop....A quick look at Precision Loading's site say's that they want $162 just for the (Hornady) FMJ bullets, plus another $8 to ship...So add in your $50 primers and enough powder to produce 1000 rounds, and I still ain't seeing the savings...plus, the new loaded ammo that I'm getting comes put up in 1000 new cases which I have to figure is worth something too...see where this is going?....Not arguing, just discussing. And so far, the discussion is not convincing me to spend my spare time loading instead of shooting....And besides all that, I can sell my once fired empties to help defray my cost. On the other hand, if a reloader sells his empties, he'll have to stop shooting.

Maybe I'm just being plain dumb about it, but that's how I see it.

DGW
 
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I don't mind leaving my spent semi brass to others. Some of them I know are into competition and reload specific loads to their comp guns. Heck I've had guys actually come up to me at the bench and ask if I'm keeping the spent brass...I tell them it's all yours.

As I said I only reload revolver and bolt guns....it's therapy and I enjoy it. Nothing about saving cost for me....it's just something I enjoy.
 
Someone left what looks like about 2K hollow point 115-120 grain jacketed bullets in boxes in a trade recently. I ain't paying $30 for a box of 50 9X19 to practice with no matter what inflation does.
 
DGW1949,, you are 100% correct,, we are discussing,, not arguing. :D I hope my posts reflect this!

Yes,, I saw the FMJ part. Since I cast,, I just brought that up. But I did see an ad recently on another site,, where a reloading supplier was offering FMJ's for under 0.10 cents each. I remember it because I thought it was reasonable & wondered about telling a few of my friends about it.

And yes,, in many places,, reloading components are still too high for many. But recently,, there were several ads all over the place about a couple of well known retailers selling CCI Small Pistol primers for under $50 a brick. Judicious shopping & buying when found. And there has been a recent sale of previously "un-obtanium" powders like Unique, 2400 & a few other Alliant powders show up for sale in several places. A lot of it quickly sold out though.

Point being,, judicious shopping and you can save a lot of money on ammo in general.

Oh,, brass,, go to a USPSA match. Especially a State or regional match. It's considered a "lost brass" match,, where shooters aren't allowed to pick up brass. The RO's get to pick it up if they want it. (Before folks scream about it being their brass to keep,, this rule is done for safety AND especially the time constraints for the matches.) RO's will often not even bother picking up much,, and after the day's shooting,, you can easily get free brass.
I run USPSA matches here. I have a crapload of brass still on the ground. I also have 5 gal buckets I haven't processed yet. I'd GIVE some away to a reloader. I also use a "Brass Monkey" rolling picker to make my back feel good. No bending etc. Easy to get several hundred pieces in a short timeframe. Again,, being a frugal person, and judicious in my "shopping!"

I know I'm in the minority when I say the following.
I purchased my components in bulk for USPSA & general shooting some years back when the prices were lower. Primers were $120-$150 a case of 5000. Powder was under $200 for an 8 lb jug. And I could buy plated bullets for competition (before powder coating became popular) for .40 S&W for about $55 for a box of 500. I wasn't shooting 9mm back then,, but it was cheaper for a box of those back then.
Buying in bulk, and especially when a sale was going on,, has allowed me to enjoy un-interrupted shooting through all this shortage & price increases. And during this time,, I've quietly watched several places, shopped around,, and when I find powder or primers under $50 a brick,, I buy,, just to keep rebuilding my supply.

You have to be a careful & observant shopper to get lower prices.

My point is that reloading can be a way to enjoy shooting more at a much lower expense than buying factory stuff if you just work at it a little.
I probably shoot around 500 or so rounds a month in general,, unless I'm preparing for a bigger match or a hunt. And my reloads are tailored to the activity I'm planning. Be it jacketed high end bullets for one job, to cast & PCed bullets to whatever. Often,, factory ammo in what I need isn't available. I can get VERY close sometimes,, but not often.
A good example is my 7x30 waters T/C Contender. Finding factory ammo is darn near impossible and very expensive. Just last night I dug out an ammo can of loaded ammo to go to the range to practice with. It's also my hunting ammo. Several hundred rounds in the can. No problems finding it or trusting it.
And I also have a USPSA match this Saturday. I'll probably shoot around 175-200 rounds of 9mm. Yes,, cast & PCed,, but I loaded about 400 recently. In that 400,, I loaded 100 of them with a Remington JHP bullet. I want to use them for a specific stage & see the differences. Those Remington bullets,, a box of 500,, cost me $25 at a yard sale.

Judicious shopping,,, because I shoot a lot & prefer to not spend a lot if I can avoid it.

Yard sales,, talking to folks,, other websites,, (trader types) etc all have allowed me to find components less than the crazy high retail store prices.

Now,, again,, I do NOT,, repeat do NOT look down upon those who don't reload or prefer to not reload. My responses to this thread were to offer "food for thought" about the potential high expenses of some ammo & how to avoid that. All while building ammo that can rival the expensive SD or other special purpose ammo a person may desire.

It can be done.

But if a person prefers to not do so,, that's perfectly fine.
 
Just for giggles,, I went back to a site,, and recovered this ad title. And yes,, they are a legit site. FMJ bullets for under 0.10 each.

New 9mm 147gr FMJ Bullets - 9.5 Cents Each +Free Shipping, 2000 ct Box​





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Some of you guys that load a lot or either gifted at finding special deals, or lucky, or maybe some combination of both. Myself, all the powder I see locally is in the $50-$60 per pound range. Primers somewhere around $70-$80 or so, and are sometimes some sort of off-brand that I don't even recognize....Oh, and bullets. Decent 124 Grain FMJ 9MM bullets ain't cheap, and yeah FMJ's are what I specifically mentioned in my prior post...(apples to apples, remember)....And about that brass; we don't all have a source of free brass either, be it once fired or otherwise....What I can do though is buy some fairly good 124-fmj ammo for $230-$240 per K, and get it shipped to my door for free...Me thinks that comes out to about .23-.24 per pop....A quick look at Precision Loading's site say's that they want $162 just for the (Hornady) FMJ bullets, plus another $8 to ship...So add in your $50 primers and enough powder to produce 1000 rounds, and I still ain't seeing the savings...plus, the new loaded ammo that I'm getting comes put up in 1000 new cases which I have to figure is worth something too...see where this is going?....Not arguing, just discussing. And so far, the discussion is not convincing me to spend my spare time loading instead of shooting....And besides all that, I can sell my once fired empties to help defray my cost. On the other hand, if a reloader sells his empties, he'll have to stop shooting.

Maybe I'm just being plain dumb about it, but that's how I see it.

DGW

I'm with ya. I once loaded 9mm and 5.56 range ammo, but no more. If you figure your time being worth anything, the 9mm juice is not worth the squeeze. Primers are still 6¢ and up, powder is $40 to $50 a pound, projectiles about 10¢ per. Add it up and, even without figuring the cost of the brass, we are looking at 18¢ - 20¢ per round without pulling a handle or handling a case. I can buy brass cased factory 9mm for 22¢ per round, or less, every day. On a good day I can load about 200 rounds per hour of 9mm on my equipment. I'm not pulling that handle 600 times for $6 per hour. Neither would it make sense to invest in a progressive because I don't shoot enough anymore to amortize that investment.
 
Just for giggles,, I went back to a site,, and recovered this ad title. And yes,, they are a legit site. FMJ bullets for under 0.10 each.

New 9mm 147gr FMJ Bullets - 9.5 Cents Each +Free Shipping, 2000 ct Box​





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Premium Reloading Components and Ammo

Holly Ridge, NC
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I looked at their site and saw that they also have 124's for $89 per K...That's much better than the site I looked at last night...but I wasn't surprised. I already said that some of you guys was either gifted or lucky..LOL........Anyhow, Thanks!!

DGW
 
Good advice but myself I stopped reloading for semi pistol and rifle aways back. I enjoy reloading revolver and bolt action cartridges.....I don't have to walk around the range searching for my spent brass. I usually shoot drills with semis, and the brass can be ejected in various places. I'm not in the shape to wander around spotting it and picking it up any longer. If I just shoot semis from the bench at various distanced target stands (OMD-Old Man Drills my Son calls it) or just plink at steel plates from the bench, I sweep all the spent brass up that I can from the concrete deck and place it on a bench for reloaders to sort through. For example this past FRI I swept up 250ish 9MM, and 50 cases of 10MM and left it on the bench for others. At the carbine range we swept up and left about 500ish spent cases of 5.56 and 7.62x39 (some steel was mixed in but tossed in the garbage bin). Over the years there's no telling how many 5 gallon buckets I filled for the range. A typical pistol range day will be at least 250-300 9MM and the same for 45 Auto...10MM is starting to get a lot of play time now as well.

Am I missing out for not picking up all my spent semi brass? Maybe. But my back appreciates it, and the club shooter waiting behind me at times for bench time.

I do pick up and keep my spent 45 Auto now and then....just in case I ever get that Blackhawk convertible or S&W MOD 25.
I pick up range brass, especially after USPSA matches. Our pistol bays are wood chips and shooters don’t go to the trouble to get down on their hands and knees to pick it up. My Slovenian heritage and ghostly prompting from my fathers grave implores me to get on my knees and pick it up. Here’s $230 worth ready to go to the scrap yard. I’ve tried selling it but shipping costs post covid totally sucks.
 

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FWIW, I like "the cheap stuff" that I load myself: range brass is free where I shoot, and I've been blessed with inexpensive bullets at online auction sites. Just finished loading a thousand 147 gr 9mm coated TC bullets I got for $35 shipped, which works out to about $6 per box of ammo (at current primer prices). And a while back, I won an auction for 26 pounds of bullets, that ended up being 500 new 110 gr .38 Hornady XTP bullets plus a thousand Remington 124 gr 9mm Golden Saber JHPs, for just over $40 shipped. There can be good deals out there, but you have to be patient and look long enough to find them!
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Someone left what looks like about 2K hollow point 115-120 grain jacketed bullets in boxes in a trade recently. I ain't paying $30 for a box of 50 9X19 to practice with no matter what inflation does.
I went back and looked closer and my guess is now 5K bullets. One sealed box is labeled 2K and the open box is much larger and half full.
Back in the days when 9mm brass was super cheap, I bought it by the medium flat rate box full. I don't chase brass that falls in the grass.
I bought 3K pieces at one time, processed it all, and put it away. I am now immune to price increases.
That's more like it.
 
As I mentioned,, reloading is NOT for everybody. But if you want to tailor ammo to your needs,, it is the way to go. And of course,, it also depends upon how much you shoot.

Just like any skill,, to be good, you have to practice. I prefer to practice a LOT.

But a good point was made about "Dry-firing" to work a gun's action & such in a different thread. Dry-fire practice is practiced a lot by good shooters also.

I was in a gun/pawn shop today. Just for giggles,, I checked the prices of their handgun powder. TiteGroup was $42.95 a pound, and Unique was $51.95 a pound. Depending upon the load,, these (2) powders can get you 1500 or more rounds per pound easily.

Many may feel that reloading is a chore,, or not worth their time. If that works for them,, that's perfectly fine. I fully understand their thought process.
But to me,, the satisfaction of making it myself,, is part of the enjoyment of shooting. And as I mentioned earlier,, when shortages hit & prices skyrocket,, and you can't find what you seek, OR you pay stupid high prices,, having the capabilities to make your own ammo is very rewarding.

And if a person chooses to not reload,, hopefully they spend the money to stock up a LOT of ammo for the shortages that happen.
 
I reloaded the 9mm for many years, but for some years now the factory Winchester Q4318 124 grain 9mm NATO has been my most used range/practice/plinking ammo. I've also used the IMI, SIG, and most recently, the Federal C9N882 124 grain NATO. Most I've used, due to consistent availability, is the Winchester. Have no idea where it is cheapest, but I've bought most of my Q4318 from SG Ammo: currently 25-26 cents per round. The Q4318 is not loaded quite as warm as some commercial 9mm +P, but is warmer than standard 124 grain, and might be an acceptable understudy for 124+P SD/duty ammo. FWIW, some old notes indicate the Q4318 averaged 1200 FPS in a Glock G19, 1221 FPS in G17, 1236 FPS in a G34 and 1350 FPS in a 16" carbine...
 
... as I mentioned earlier,, when shortages hit & prices skyrocket,, and you can't find what you seek, OR you pay stupid high prices,, having the capabilities to make your own ammo is very rewarding.

And if a person chooses to not reload,, hopefully they spend the money to stock up a LOT of ammo for the shortages that happen.
From what I have witnessed when the shortages of factory ammo hit, and their prices skyrocket -
so too does it happen with reloading supplies at the same exact time.

It also seems that on the backside factory ammo becomes available before most the reloading supplies do. This last go round some powders took a long time to make it back onto shelves and primers seemed to disappear for quite some time. And even once the primers came back, they are still sky-high in price while factory ammo has now become dirt cheap. We can only hope that the primer's prices will also drop back to reasonable levels one day. (🤞)

So, one will have to stock up on reloading supplies before a shortage comes about if they think they would have a chance at reloading ammo during these shortages. Also, one can just as easily stock up on factory ammo before a shortage happens, (just like they would have to with reloading supplies) if one wishes to be able to shoot during the shortages.

My point being it is deceiving for anyone to lay claim that reloading ammo will allow one to shoot during shortages where they could not do so with factory ammo. Again, neither is possible unless one stocks up ahead of time, whereby both are possible by the same means. Or neither will be if one doesn't use their noggin to think ahead. Either way the facts are, whether reloading or using factory ammo, stock up when the getting is good or be found wanting.

... when the ammo shortages hit,, I saw people paying $30-$50 a box of 50 for plinking ammo.
The satisfaction of NOT having to pay that is priceless.
During that same time, I saw primers (if and when they could even be found) selling as low as $120 or more for a brick. The satisfaction of NOT having to pay that is priceless only if one thinks ahead and buys before the shortages come about. Being able to shoot comes from buying before shortages arise, not from reloading over using factory ammunition.

Well, as a reloader,, I can tailor my loads to match whatever I desire. In USPSA,, we enjoy "lighter" loads to soften recoil. But if SD & carry ammo is stouter,, it's easy to build a good load to match.
As I mentioned,, reloading is NOT for everybody. But if you want to tailor ammo to your needs,, it is the way to go. And of course,, it also depends upon how much you shoot.
Yes, one can raise or lower the velocities of home rolled ammunition to suit their tastes/needs.
Yet if one wishes to make finer cartridges than any factory ammunition maker ever could by custom rolling their own, they must undertake the pains to do so. That is, they'll need to learn to Handload as opposed to simply reloading. As there are many things one would have to do to best factory ammo and weighing each and every powder charge is very important to assure that the velocities are consistent [i.e.-low ESs and SDs]. Factory ammunition manufactures cannot afford to undertake such an endeavor as this and when reloaders choose to bypass such the quality of their product will never be any better than the factory offerings.

Anyhow, there is a lot more to it than just cost when deciding on whether one will roll with factory cartridges or stuff cases themselves. Time, ability and desire are one to a few. Either way a gun without ammo is not much more than a paper weight, door stop or trout line weight. One way or the other its best to stock up when/while one can! 🎯
 
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Just for giggles,, I went back to a site,, and recovered this ad title. And yes,, they are a legit site. FMJ bullets for under 0.10 each.

New 9mm 147gr FMJ Bullets - 9.5 Cents Each +Free Shipping, 2000 ct Box​





RAVEN ROCKS PRECISION
Premium Reloading Components and Ammo

Holly Ridge, NC
(910) 803-1726 (call/text)
RavenRocksPrecision.com
I wish to add just a little here to the discussion about the reloading of ammo. i use to reload my .357 ammo for my Ruger Blackhawk in the late '60s, early '70s - yes, I have been around a while!. It was fun and very educational, but quite time consuming. as I entered the professional world, and started working full time in a very demanding career (computer software), I had less and less time or reloading, not to mention the space needed to do itas well, but it still made some financial sense. But today, after ths recovery from COVID, THE AMMO COSTS HAVE REALLY STARTED TO COME Back down, although not quite to the degree and cost levels peior to COVIDI

I once again looked into getting back into the reloading 'businesss', but I found that the cost of buying all the necessry reloading equipment to be rather prohibitive. I have 4 c;alibers FOR MY RUGER GUN (all very powerful): .357 Mag, 3.8 spec. .45 ACP, .45 Colt. lt turned out that I would have to shoot thousnds of rounds each year just to break even, as compared to buying already manufactured ammo. Furthermore, reloading 9mm ammo seems to me to be rather 'silly' since you can now buy 9mm as low as nearly $.20/round. But other calibers are siginficantly more expensive, so reloading of these OTHER calibers might make a lot more sense.

So, if you are interested at all at looking at buying ammo online, vs. reloading, I would offer my ballistics file, which covers 35 handgun calibesr and 25 rifle ones. The file contains over 4,000 entries, where each entry is an online link to an online retalier, that sells that ammo.. HANDGUN AMMO IS LISTED FIRST, AND THE RIFLE LINKS FOLLOW THAT. Within each of these groups (handgun vs. rifle), it is ordered by caliber, from the smallest to the largest. The order within each caliber is by manufacturer name, and within that, by bullet size (weight). It is real easy to find just about anything.The file is free, and I release it in PDF format. If interested, just messge me here and I will send it to you. Warning -this file is very wide and long, and not really useable on a phone. You woul need a tablet or a computer.
 
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DGW1949,, you are 100% correct,, we are discussing,, not arguing. :D I hope my posts reflect this!

Yes,, I saw the FMJ part. Since I cast,, I just brought that up. But I did see an ad recently on another site,, where a reloading supplier was offering FMJ's for under 0.10 cents each. I remember it because I thought it was reasonable & wondered about telling a few of my friends about it.

And yes,, in many places,, reloading components are still too high for many. But recently,, there were several ads all over the place about a couple of well known retailers selling CCI Small Pistol primers for under $50 a brick. Judicious shopping & buying when found. And there has been a recent sale of previously "un-obtanium" powders like Unique, 2400 & a few other Alliant powders show up for sale in several places. A lot of it quickly sold out though.

Point being,, judicious shopping and you can save a lot of money on ammo in general.

Oh,, brass,, go to a USPSA match. Especially a State or regional match. It's considered a "lost brass" match,, where shooters aren't allowed to pick up brass. The RO's get to pick it up if they want it. (Before folks scream about it being their brass to keep,, this rule is done for safety AND especially the time constraints for the matches.) RO's will often not even bother picking up much,, and after the day's shooting,, you can easily get free brass.
I run USPSA matches here. I have a crapload of brass still on the ground. I also have 5 gal buckets I haven't processed yet. I'd GIVE some away to a reloader. I also use a "Brass Monkey" rolling picker to make my back feel good. No bending etc. Easy to get several hundred pieces in a short timeframe. Again,, being a frugal person, and judicious in my "shopping!"

I know I'm in the minority when I say the following.
I purchased my components in bulk for USPSA & general shooting some years back when the prices were lower. Primers were $120-$150 a case of 5000. Powder was under $200 for an 8 lb jug. And I could buy plated bullets for competition (before powder coating became popular) for .40 S&W for about $55 for a box of 500. I wasn't shooting 9mm back then,, but it was cheaper for a box of those back then.
Buying in bulk, and especially when a sale was going on,, has allowed me to enjoy un-interrupted shooting through all this shortage & price increases. And during this time,, I've quietly watched several places, shopped around,, and when I find powder or primers under $50 a brick,, I buy,, just to keep rebuilding my supply.

You have to be a careful & observant shopper to get lower prices.

My point is that reloading can be a way to enjoy shooting more at a much lower expense than buying factory stuff if you just work at it a little.
I probably shoot around 500 or so rounds a month in general,, unless I'm preparing for a bigger match or a hunt. And my reloads are tailored to the activity I'm planning. Be it jacketed high end bullets for one job, to cast & PCed bullets to whatever. Often,, factory ammo in what I need isn't available. I can get VERY close sometimes,, but not often.
A good example is my 7x30 waters T/C Contender. Finding factory ammo is darn near impossible and very expensive. Just last night I dug out an ammo can of loaded ammo to go to the range to practice with. It's also my hunting ammo. Several hundred rounds in the can. No problems finding it or trusting it.
And I also have a USPSA match this Saturday. I'll probably shoot around 175-200 rounds of 9mm. Yes,, cast & PCed,, but I loaded about 400 recently. In that 400,, I loaded 100 of them with a Remington JHP bullet. I want to use them for a specific stage & see the differences. Those Remington bullets,, a box of 500,, cost me $25 at a yard sale.

Judicious shopping,,, because I shoot a lot & prefer to not spend a lot if I can avoid it.

Yard sales,, talking to folks,, other websites,, (trader types) etc all have allowed me to find components less than the crazy high retail store prices.

Now,, again,, I do NOT,, repeat do NOT look down upon those who don't reload or prefer to not reload. My responses to this thread were to offer "food for thought" about the potential high expenses of some ammo & how to avoid that. All while building ammo that can rival the expensive SD or other special purpose ammo a person may desire.

It can be done.

But if a person prefers to not do so,, that's perfectly fine.
Well written!
Lee produces some relatively inexpensive reloading equipment of good quality for someone just starting to reload.
 
As mentioned a few times above,, many feel the time spent reloading is too demanding. Or the expense of getting into reloading isn't cost feasible for the amount they shoot, or other valid reasons for THEIR lives.
Each person has to determine what their own needs & desires are.

But I can say for certain,, with a bit of judicious shopping,, you can get into reloading equipment a lot cheaper than many may think. Just yesterday,, I saw a complete Dillon SDB set-up slightly used, in .40 S&W/10mm for $299 in a pawn shop. I know I could have purchased it for less.
And over the last year & half,, I've mentored a couple of younger neighbors who wanted to learn reloading. One was using a Lee "Whack-a-Mole" kit. Both now have real presses, dies, scales & the "stuff" for a LOT less than buying new & at retail. Neither of these 2 guys have a lot of expendable income, and they don't shoot nearly as much as I do. But they enjoy shooting & making their own ammo.
I also have a gentleman who got into USPSA competition & was using just factory ammo for almost 3 years. I helped him find a like new Dillon 650 with case feed, and taught him to load as well. Again,, at a much better price than buying new.
The initial expense is lower, and if you are an active shooter,, you can & will recoup your investment sooner than you think.

Time.

Many feel reloading takes too much of their time.

Fine.

That's their view & I'll not try to change them.

People who shoot a lot,, OR,, who want to shoot a lot enjoy the time spent loading their own ammo & especially learning more about shooting because of loading their own ammo.
Again,, reloading is not for everyone,, and that's perfectly fine.

I started in 1977. And I had to start cheaply like most folks. But over time,, judicious shopping, and by shooting a lot more because I could,, my investment in my equipment has paid for itself LONG, LONG ago.
 
Lee produces some relatively inexpensive reloading equipment of good quality for someone just starting to reload.
As one having gone down that road I beg to differ.

I would recommend getting almost anything other than Lee equipment. It would be better to obtain desent tools right from the start and be good to go without the need to upgrade later on.

I have a brand new Lee APP that hangs up, right out the box. I have therefore never used it. It sits taking up space. And I may or may not try and fix it some day with aftermarket parts.
 
Most of my stuff is Lee and those that complain and put it down never used anything Lee and only regurgitate what they read on the internet like E10 will ruin your lawnmower and Lil'Gun will erode your forcing cone or strap. I never needed to upgrade any of my Lee stuff and I got my APP running fine with no aftermarket parts. Used it to process 3K pieces of 9X19 as well as almost 1500 pieces of Lake City 5.56X45. One part wore out throughout that and Lee sent a replacement and spares free.
 
My first reloading tool was the Lee wackamo set-up. Didn't take me long at all before I wished I had a real press and die set-up.

I also bought their dipper set and quickly found it much simpler to get an RCBS powder measure.

Plus I got the 2nd edition of Richard Lee's reloading manual and found the first half to be great reading, but don't care for the jumbled up load data section. So I bought the original sources manuals to glean load data from.

And of course the APP I mentioned in post #24. And other than replacing the part I would have to file down the plastic slide which would not make for a very slick sliding part. And no I haven't even tried to contact Lee yet because I'm just basically moving on and chalking it all up to experience.

Now to give credit where credit is due, Lee has the best ever COLLET style crimp dies on the market and I would never ever think of using any other brand's inferior crimp dies. Yes I have one and use it exclusively. But as far as Lee's gymicy carbide crimp dies go I would not want nor recommend them, as it would be better to figure out what is causing a case to bulge and correct the issue as opposed to band-aiding over such.

So yes I have had experience with not only Lee's products but also the equipment I replaced them with and the difference is as stark as night and day. For those of whom have only used Lee stuff and never used the finer tooling out there I could see them defending Lee products. But once one has used the real quality stuff there just isn't any room for going back. (I'm sure Greta Thunberg can cook clean house and make love but I'll take Rachel Welch if given the choice.)
 
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Part of the tinkering aspect and maybe the bad rap Lee gets is they not only invent and produce stuff no one else does but they do it at a lower price so yeah, tinkering is needed sometimes.

There's many different reasons to reload therefore there are many reasons not to. I bought the stuff and learned the basics to be more self-sufficient, not to feed a shooting habit or make the best dead on ammo on the planet.
 
Part of the tinkering aspect and maybe the bad rap Lee gets is they not only invent and produce stuff no one else does but they do it at a lower price so yeah, tinkering is needed sometimes.

There's many different reasons to reload therefore there are many reasons not to. I bought the stuff and learned the basics to be more self-sufficient, not to feed a shooting habit or make the best dead on ammo on the planet.
I started as one wanting a 460 S&W Magnum bullet stuck in 45 COLT case. Not exactly Wildcatting but akin to none the less.

And I had only planned to make 200 rounds, so I didn't want to spend a lot of money on equipment.

Then the cheap tools got on my nerves so I started getting better stuff. Mind you I started with Greta but I still can not afford Rachel so I'm settling with Farrah figurively speaking.

Basically I have some of everybody's stuff that is easy to work with right out the box without having to overhaul it.

Hornady, Lyman, Berry's, Buchanan, OHUAS, Redding, Frankford Arsinel, Sterret, Lee (collet crimp die), RCBS, C&H, Garmin, etc...

My main problem now is adding up to more than wanting to make a couple hundred rounds. Now I want to make cartridges for at least five different calibers (45 COLT, 45 Auto, 460 S&W Magnum, 45 Raptor, and one of the British 45s, plus .410 shot shells).

Oy, looks like I'm gonna need more dies and a dedicated room to stow it all.
 
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Don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with reloading. Back when I was younger I have reloaded a lot, .45 ACP, .38 Spl, .41 Magnum, 45 Colt, .22-250, and .22 BR Remington. As I got older I no longer hunt and I sure don't get to the range often any longer.
I take from your post that as o got older you found less time available to reload, and went shooting a lot less as well, (both the same as in my own case),and that since you went shooting a lot less, that the savings and benefit from reloading went way down.

If I have this correct, that is exactly what I described in my own post/response.
 
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