Proof rd. fired case

[welder]

I found and bought an unfired 2" SP101 in .357 this week that needed a new home. When I opened the envelope dated 5/23/2007 there was a "proof round" fired case. This is the first time I have got one of those and I have a heap of Rugers How about it , anybody else?

 

[BlkHawk73]

All get 'em now and not just Ruger's as some places require them.

 

[welder]

When did they start this? I bought a P90, MKIII, Sp101 3", all new within the last year without one, (PROOF) and a BH Bisley just last week? These were recently made and the 2"is from 2007?

 

[ranger1]

Every new Ruger I've purchased since 1994 included a fired shell casing and envelope!

 

[welder]

It's the "PROOF ROUND" case, not just the standard Federal or such. Painted bright red and stamped "PROOF" "BHA". I have a gillion regular cases, this is the first "PROOF" case.

 

[Sugar River]

Maybe Ruger decided to kill two birds with one stone.

Some states require a fired case, and Ruger is going to proof them anyway.

One round per gun doesn't sound like much until it's multiplied by tens of thousands of pistols per year.


Pete

 

[welder]

Good point except this one is dated 5/23/07. I've had a slew before and after that time, all regular cases except for this one.

 

[RICHGCOOP]

Thanks for posting. Never seen a proof round come with a new gun.

RICHGCOOP

 

[Wyandot Jim]

Well,
I have bought 45-70 proof round cases. When they are painted red that means they were used to fire a round 10% over max load.
Since the factory 45-70 is still loaded to trapdoor loads 10% over isn't squat.
JIm

 

[44shootist]

There is a law in some areas that a proff round has been fired and the gun has under gone testing, since Ruger sells in lots of different area's they send the spent rounds with all new guns now to keep them covered, you can go to Ruger site and read under FAQ'S in general questions for the offical language.
And yes I did get one with both my last two new Rugers.
If you have not seen one yet you have not bought a new Ruger in quite a few years.

 

[PackinPreacher]

There is a law in some areas that a proff round has been fired and the gun has under gone testing, since Ruger sells in lots of different area's they send the spent rounds with all new guns now to keep them covered, you can go to Ruger site and read under FAQ'S in general questions for the offical language.
And yes I did get one with both my last two new Rugers.
If you have not seen one yet you have not bought a new Ruger in quite a few years.

Take another look at the OP's casing. It actually says "proof" right on the base. I've never seen it before. I have seen lots of fired casings with my Rugers (and others) but never seen any that had "proof" imprinted on them.

 

[44shootist]

Preacher, Just like the one's that came with my last two Rugers like I said.

 

[Hugh]

Some states require that spent cartridge case. Have for some time. If I recall correctly, in the states that require it, the gun shop that receives the shooter and the case is required to send the case and appropriate identifying information to state authorities. The state authorities will in turn digitize the base of the cartridge case and enter it into the Integrated Ballistics Identification System (IBIS). IBIS is a national data base.

When cartridge cases are found at shooting scenes they are sent to a crime laboratory and their headstamps are checked against the data base. IBIS has been in place for about 20 years, and the data base keeps growing. Shooting crimes are quite frequently solved more by information in IBIS than by forensic examination of the actual bullet taken from a body or other place. Examination of the bullet will usually tell what kind of gun fired it, and if the gun is in custody that can be confirmed. The cartridge case can tell which specific gun, and who is owner of record. Then they track down the gun through owners.

 

[xtratoy]

I have never opened up the little envelopes to look at the fired case. I will put that on my list of things to do to do.

 

[rugerguy]

yes, ever since the start of the supplied "test fire round" from time to time we have seen the 'red coated' PROOF TEST cases......,makes sense to us

 

[Wyandot Jim]

The 45-70s that I have had. Were used by Marlin made by Starline and just painted Red.
Jim

 

[SlickRS23]

This one came with my 50th anniversary flat top.
It's the only one I have seen.
Jeff

 

[flatgate]

I have never opened up the little envelopes to look at the fired case.

Me neither!

flatgate

 

[coach]

Some states require that spent cartridge case. Have for some time. If I recall correctly, in the states that require it, the gun shop that receives the shooter and the case is required to send the case and appropriate identifying information to state authorities. The state authorities will in turn digitize the base of the cartridge case and enter it into the Integrated Ballistics Identification System (IBIS). IBIS is a national data base.

When cartridge cases are found at shooting scenes they are sent to a crime laboratory and their headstamps are checked against the data base. IBIS has been in place for about 20 years, and the data base keeps growing. Shooting crimes are quite frequently solved more by information in IBIS than by forensic examination of the actual bullet taken from a body or other place. Examination of the bullet will usually tell what kind of gun fired it, and if the gun is in custody that can be confirmed. The cartridge case can tell which specific gun, and who is owner of record. Then they track down the gun through owners.

The Maryland State Police has come out and said the requirement for fired cases from each new gun sold in the state is not worth the money & effort required. Not one crime in Md. has been solved since instituting the requirement many years ago. Of course the requirement is still in place and is likely to remain with the current makeup of the legislature & executive.

 

[mattsbox99]

I never open mine either! Cool find though.

 

[Charon]

I could be wrong, but I suspect opening that envelope destroys any legal value it may have had. That's because, once opened, there is no way to be sure the case inside actually came from the gun whose serial number is on the envelope.

 

[ranger1]

I could be wrong, but I suspect opening that envelope destroys any legal value it may have had. That's because, once opened, there is no way to be sure the case inside actually came from the gun whose serial number is on the envelope.

+1

 

[welder]

Except that another case fired from the same gun would have the same pin/breech face signature should it come down to that.

 

[sheepdawg]

The one from my SP says Hornady...357 mag and is painted red, I missed out.

 

[SL1]

Why would a criminal dump cases on the ground at a crimes scene so that the police could pick them up and identify the gun?

Well, maybe SOME criminals are that stupid.

But, unless the police actually have the GUN to compare BULLETS, the defense can always be that the cases found at the crime scene were acquired at a range and planted at the scene to THROW-OFF the police investigation. Seems just as likely as the idea that the criminal would dump brass from his gun on the ground at the scene.

SL1

 

[Charon]

Why would a criminal dump cases on the ground? Perhaps because the guns popular among criminals tend to be autoloaders - which fling their cases out with wild abandon. I have trouble believing criminals would spend a lot of time looking for empties, especially in the dark.

I have been curious about identifying cases which have been reloaded, possibly after having been fired in several guns. I have been known to scrounge range brass, having no idea who might have fired it before.

 

[Rclark]

At some point, I'll be getting rid of my plastic 'boxes', the envelope will disappear as well. Probably log the data found on the envelope in my revolver logs (should do that anyway) ... but toss the rest... I'll have to recheck some off the envelopes I still have as I don't recall seeing 'red' .... just for fun....

 

[Hugh]

Why would a criminal dump cases on the ground? Perhaps because the guns popular among criminals tend to be autoloaders - which fling their cases out with wild abandon. I have trouble believing criminals would spend a lot of time looking for empties, especially in the dark.

I have been curious about identifying cases which have been reloaded, possibly after having been fired in several guns. I have been known to scrounge range brass, having no idea who might have fired it before.

Semi-automatics toss expended cartridge cases. Unless they have stones like bowling balls, I'm pretty sure the bad guys are not going to take the time to pick that brass up. They usually go away and leave the brass on the deck. During my last career I assisted in policing some of that expended brass from time to time. We typically didn't send revolvers or bolt action rifles for IBIS entry, unless of course we knew or suspected it would be helpful. All semi-automatics, rifle and pistols taken as evidence for any reason did go to the lab to be entered and checked.

 

[protoolman]

My New Vaquero Birdshead .45 Colt that is a Talo Distributor model just came with a Starline .45 Colt (not marked Proof) but painted red. I wondered why it was painted red, now I know.

 

[rebel46]

It reloads as well as any other.