Just got a Lipsey's Bisley 44Spl Blackhawk. I'm thinking of putting the Power Custom hammer/trigger drop in kit in it. I like the half cock notch loading feature. I called Brownell's to for info and the tech says the kit won't fit this mid "anniversary" frame. Anyone ever have any luck with installing one of those kits in a mid frame ?
Power Cust hammer fit Anniversary frame ?
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I dont see why it wouldnt fit I replaced the hammer and trigger both on my 44SPL Blackhawk with a Blackhawk trigger and a SBH hammer. The only thing I can think of that could be a problem is the hieght of the hammer under the rear sight maybe but thats an easy fix. I used the original pawl. Your gun already has the indexing feature from the factory. What you will have is one excellent trigger after the swap. I would call them back and find out where the problem would be if you did the swap. I had the blued trigger already and just bought the hammer from Numrich Arms. I took it apart and swapped out the old parts with the new and came out with the nicest trigger I've ever had without modifing factory sears. Saved me $120.00 dollars over the cost of a powers kit. I've used the Power Customs hammer trigger 3 times and have always felt it was money well spent.
Thanks Rep1954. I'm sitting here thinking about it and it doesn't make sense that Ruger would make a hammer/trigger for a limited frame that wouldn't take their standard parts. I will have to try calling Power Custom tomorrow during biz hours and get a for sure clarification. BTW, regarding that other thread about the sights. Mine shoots high with the rear sight screwed all the way down too. If it ain't one thing its another. 
The rear sight thing is something you here alot of. Mine shoots to the point of aim with 240 grain lead bullets and 7 grains of Unique and has about 1mm of adjustment left. I dont know why ruger doesnt start making all thier front sight blades on the blued Blackhawks like the pinned stainless Blackhawks front blades.
Just got off of the phone with Randall at Power Custom. The Bisley hammer and Blackhawk Vaquero trigger kit does fit and that along with the Anniversary spring kit is on the way to me today. Wish me luck on the install. Hope it really does drop in and the transfer bar modification isn't too tough. 
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He didn't say. He did say that complete instructions are included and if I have any problems to call and he would walk me through it. Should be a drop in with the exception of modifying the transfer bar. Once the parts get here and I do the job I'll update. Took a needle file to the rear sight and opened the notch on either side and went a bit deeper. I'm at POA now at 25 yds with 240 grain lead cowboy action bullets. See what happens when I reload some of my own.REP1954 said:
Just an update. I got the parts in the mail and did some googling to help me out in my first attempt to break down the Bisley Blackhawk. Between the Ruger booklet that came with the revolver, and especially the RugerFirearms videos on youtube, I was able to do the job. The hammer and trigger did indeed drop in. I had also ordered the modified transfer bar and the oversize locking lug for the cylinder. The modified transfer bar saved me a lot of work and was worth the price AFAIC. The locking lug was not only oversize for the cylinder notches, as it is supposed to be, but for the frame window.as well and I was leery that I might mess the frame up so decided to return that part.
The fellow in the youtube videos did the disassembly and reassembly in what seemed like seconds. From start to finish I guess it took me a few hours. Well it was my first time.
If I have to do it again I suspect it won't take longer than half that much. It was worth the $ and the effort. The lock up is tighter than a drum. Trigger is smooth as silk and I didn't do any stoning or polishing on the parts. I now have the half cock notch and a much improved trigger.
BTW, I also installed a Wolf hammer and trigger spring, which were included in the kit, so that no doubt also accounts for the excellent trigger. I had also ordered a Belt Mountain Improved # 5 cylinder pin for the job. It was oversize for the cylinder bushing and for the frame. Even if it had not been, it didn't occur to me that the Keith Improved # 5 had a 5 1/2 barrel. My Bisley has a 4 5/8 and the pin hit the extractor crescent and wouldn't have worked had the diameter been a fit. So if you're ordering an oversize cylinder pin make sure to specify barrel length. Randall Power was great to deal with and gave me a prompt refund on the returned cylinder pin and locking lug. I can't recommend them highly enough.
The fellow in the youtube videos did the disassembly and reassembly in what seemed like seconds. From start to finish I guess it took me a few hours. Well it was my first time.
If I have to do it again I suspect it won't take longer than half that much. It was worth the $ and the effort. The lock up is tighter than a drum. Trigger is smooth as silk and I didn't do any stoning or polishing on the parts. I now have the half cock notch and a much improved trigger. BTW, I also installed a Wolf hammer and trigger spring, which were included in the kit, so that no doubt also accounts for the excellent trigger. I had also ordered a Belt Mountain Improved # 5 cylinder pin for the job. It was oversize for the cylinder bushing and for the frame. Even if it had not been, it didn't occur to me that the Keith Improved # 5 had a 5 1/2 barrel. My Bisley has a 4 5/8 and the pin hit the extractor crescent and wouldn't have worked had the diameter been a fit. So if you're ordering an oversize cylinder pin make sure to specify barrel length. Randall Power was great to deal with and gave me a prompt refund on the returned cylinder pin and locking lug. I can't recommend them highly enough.
M'BOGO
Buckeye
Thanks for the rundown Jimmy.
FWIW, the ejector rod housing is the same length on the 4 5/8 and 5.5" tubes. The length of the hourglass of the #5 basepin takes a little from your ejector rod stroke, but not enough to matter. To install it, remove the ERH (screw near the tip, and use some blue Loctite when you replace it), install the new basepin, and replace the ERH. A further Pimp feature is the crescent moon ejector rod, you can go aftermarket, or for around $5.00 get a New Vaquero one from Ruger. Enjoy.
FWIW, the ejector rod housing is the same length on the 4 5/8 and 5.5" tubes. The length of the hourglass of the #5 basepin takes a little from your ejector rod stroke, but not enough to matter. To install it, remove the ERH (screw near the tip, and use some blue Loctite when you replace it), install the new basepin, and replace the ERH. A further Pimp feature is the crescent moon ejector rod, you can go aftermarket, or for around $5.00 get a New Vaquero one from Ruger. Enjoy.
flatgate
Hawkeye
My only caveat with such work is that the cylinder/barrel alignment may actually be made worse. A proper "range rod" test, using the Iowegan kit, would provide the answers.
Any chance you "put the gun on paper" prior to the work?
It appears you did a darn good job for being "new to the game"!
flatgate
Any chance you "put the gun on paper" prior to the work?
It appears you did a darn good job for being "new to the game"!
flatgate
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The first time disassembling and reassembling any gun/machine always takes the longest. How do you think the guys that can do it in just a few seconds got to that point? The second time is always faster than the first; the third is always faster than the second, etc.
Personally, I seriously doubt if 99.9% of NEW Rugers need an oversize base pin. I only install them on older, well worn guns. Same with the oversize cylinder latch.
Personally, I seriously doubt if 99.9% of NEW Rugers need an oversize base pin. I only install them on older, well worn guns. Same with the oversize cylinder latch.
I've been singing this "song" for a long time! You would be surprised at the look on a customer's face when you tell him you "fixed" his revolver by replacing the "oversize" cylinder pin with a standard factory pin! Simple advice. Don't "fix" what don't need "fixing"! New paint on a house doesn't make it worth more if you have let the interior and house systems run down into disrepair!.....................Dick :wink:
