P95 vs Glock 19 Gen 4

[bspitt]

For all you Glock Fans: Not trying to start a fight, I just though this was interesting. My buddy borrowed my P95 to qualify for his CCW class. He liked the pistol. However he purchased a new glock 19 gen 4 when his CCW permit finally came in. He shot WWB in his G19 with no problems for target practice. However, he tried some Fiocchi ammo for self defense. This would not cycle through his G19 at all. Every other (or more) rounds would FTF and/or FTE. He called Fiocchi, (and they were very nice) and they said it could be ammo or the spring in the glock. He talked like this has been an issue in the new Gen 4. The tech guy @ Fiocchi asked my buddy to try the ammo in a different gun to see what it did…Well my buddy borrowed the trusty P95 again…No problems whatsoever! The Fiocchi rep evednetly has some contacts @ Glock and is going to get my buddy a new spring & some new ammo….I thougt it was pretty cool that the trusty P95 had no issues when compared to a new G19. That P95 will eat em all!!!!

Brannon

 

[revhigh]

P95's are great guns. No drama ... no issues .... no skeletons in the P95's closet .... I've said for years, it's the best cneterfire semiauto Ruger ever made.

The G19 is the best of the Glocks IMO ... it's the perfect size. I'm guessing the recoil spring was too light in the Glock. The Fiocchi ammo is known to be fairly hot.

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[Al James]

Have you tried to shoot his Glock with the Fiocchi? Reason that I ask is that both pistols are known to short cycle if the shooter limp wrists the gun. I'm assuming that because he had to borrow your P95 for his CCW that he is not a real experienced shooter. If he got used to the P95 then switched to the Glock there is a definite weight difference between the 2. Make sure that he is using a nice firm grip especially in the wrist department. I don't want to say "locked" but pretty darn close to it. Both guns are known to eat anything so his hold and the Gen 4 aspect would be my first guesses. Let us know! I have heard of a few teething issues with the Gen 4 Glocks but with the amount of pistols that they sell it should be resolved quickly.

 

[revhigh]

great point Al ....good chance that could be the problem

 

[leejack]

Over at the firingline.com there have been numerous Gen4 G19 problems reported. The spring thing has been beat to death.

From what I've read (not first hand knowledge), Glock hasn't been very helpful as of yet.

 

[bspitt]

Have you tried to shoot his Glock with the Fiocchi? Reason that I ask is that both pistols are known to short cycle if the shooter limp wrists the gun. I'm assuming that because he had to borrow your P95 for his CCW that he is not a real experienced shooter. If he got used to the P95 then switched to the Glock there is a definite weight difference between the 2. Make sure that he is using a nice firm grip especially in the wrist department. I don't want to say "locked" but pretty darn close to it. Both guns are known to eat anything so his hold and the Gen 4 aspect would be my first guesses. Let us know! I have heard of a few teething issues with the Gen 4 Glocks but with the amount of pistols that they sell it should be resolved quickly.

No, I have not shot his glock....However he only used my P95 about 5-6 months ago the one time. Since then he has ran several boxes of WWB through his G19 with no issues. You could be right, that could definitely be the issue....However the Tech guy @ Fiocchi, seemed very knowledgable about the issues with this ammo in the G19 Gen 4...like maybe this was not his 1st call on the subject. I have not watched my buddy shoot, so I can't really say whats going on...Just thought it was neat that my humble P95 had no issues.

I'm not trying to down the G19 4th gen or the ammo. I like Glocks and own one myself that eats everything (G22 3rd gen). I guess this is more of a testment to the P95 and how all it does is "work."

BP

 

[bspitt]

Update: A call to Glock to explain his problem results in a new spring being sent out today..no questions asked. After a little research, seems the double recoil springs in the Gen 4's are a little too "beefy" for some ammo. Glock is sending anyone who ask a lighter spring.

 

[Al James]

Good deal! Hope that solves the issue. I own all 3 generations of Glocks and the new Gen 4 doesn't do much for me....yet. Sometimes it just takes a while for me to warm up to change. Update us when the new springs go in. Also if you and your friend haven't found it yet check out the Glock Talk forum. Lots of Glock info!

 

[gatorhugger]

strange timing on this post.
yesterday I was shooting My P93 and my G19.
Normally both are 100% fine, but I just bought a few hundred blue box Fiocchi 115 grainers.
With the slide locked back, insert mag, release slide and 9 out of ten times the p93 would try to insert the bullet and it would get about half way in the chamber and stick.
I could tap the end of the slide and get the slide to go the rest of the way.

Did the same thing when shooting it as well. FTF after FTF with the Ruger. I was looking at the fiocchi verus the Sellier I normally shoot. The Fiocchi is a slightly fatter bullet in diameter.
I don't know if this is the cause, but the ruger hated those Fiocchi, and the Glock ate em up.
Just goes to show some guns like to eat different diets.
I doubt your friends issue is reflective on Glock at all, it's just the way
guns work sometimes.

 

[Cheesewhiz]

I found this interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/user/hickok45#p/u/6/3tlKjrOi2zo

 

[datank55]

In my experience, Fiocchi 9mm defensive ammo is loaded light. It works perfectly in my SR9, and is my carry ammo. However, I could see failures in pistols with stout recoil springs. Additionally, the people at Fiocchi are excellent. There is a strong possibility you dealt with a gentleman named Troy. If so, good for you, as Troy is a great guy who does great work for his company, and believes the customer is always right.

 

[revhigh]

The Fiocchi I've shot ... their cheap stuff, was fairly hot from what I remember ... maybe they changed recipes recently. This was quite a while (several years) ago.

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[SteveSatch]

P95's are great guns. No drama ... no issues .... no skeletons in the P95's closet .... I've said for years, it's the best cneterfire semiauto Ruger ever made.
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How do you feel about the P97 since it's just about the same gun but different caliber?

 

[gatorhugger]

95's are dependable and fairly accurate.
They handle nice, I want to like them.
But I have yet to find one with a nice trigger though.
Wouldn't mind buying another one if it had a SA trigger that didn't grind
along.
I have given them 3 chances and everyone of them absolutely sucked.
Not a trigger snob either, I have a sigma for petes sake, so I can put up with a mediocre pull.
But these 95's SA pull is horrendous in my experience, to the point I can't handle it and wouldn't buy another one because of it.
For me I would take the Glock all day long, even at a higher cost.

 

[revhigh]

P95's are great guns. No drama ... no issues .... no skeletons in the P95's closet .... I've said for years, it's the best centerfire semiauto Ruger ever made.
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How do you feel about the P97 since it's just about the same gun but different caliber?

I don't know anything about the 97 .... never even held one. Sorry.

Shot a bunch of 95's though, and although I agree with Gator that they're average in accuracy (they're certainly OK for combat), I didn't really think the triggers were THAT bad, at least for a SA/DA gun .... and I AM a trigger snob .... :D I've seen far worse triggers on DA/SA guns.

If you want a gun primarily for the range, which will allow you to get to be a better shot at anything over 7-10 yards .... I'd look elsewhere. For a dirt cheap carry gun that won't let you down, the 95 is fine.

Unless you were really within a budget, I'd look at CZ75's for a 9MM auto. Far, far better accuracy, but it'll cost you about $500 new.

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[bspitt]

In my experience, Fiocchi 9mm defensive ammo is loaded light. It works perfectly in my SR9, and is my carry ammo. However, I could see failures in pistols with stout recoil springs. Additionally, the people at Fiocchi are excellent. There is a strong possibility you dealt with a gentleman named Troy. If so, good for you, as Troy is a great guy who does great work for his company, and believes the customer is always right.

My buddy did say that Fiocchi were excellant to speak with. I dont know if it was troy....But whomever it was, was very helpful. A+ on customer service.

 

[Anthony Williams]

8) The P-95 is the bastard child of the Sig 229. That is why this particular Ruger is so damn good! The 95's performance can sign it's own check and it will never bounce. The Glock 19 is another stand alone performer. Both are great handguns whose performance easily speaks for themselves.

Anthony Williams

 

[Boge]

The new Glock Gen 4's are sprung tight. Too tight for a lot of wimpy 115 gr. loads when the gun is new. I have a Gen 4 G19 that wouldn'y cycle the Walmart Fed. Champion yet cycles all 124 gr. as well hot +p & hotter +p+ like a champ. This is no problem for me as it's a CCW gun stoked with +p+. Call Glock & they will send a lighter recoil spring free for wimpy target loads.

Personally, I love my Gen 4 G19 and think it is THE best CCW 9mm made.

 

[pistolpete]

The term "bunny fart" load comes up a lot on glocktalk in reference to cheaper standard pressure 9mm. Quite a few people having problems with the gen 4 9mm glocks.
My new gen 3 glock 17 likes to lightly toss brass on my head and chest about a third of the time when I shoot umc 115 gr 9mm, whereas my p95 ejects cases far to the right. Of course the thing to remember with a lot of pistols is that the recoil spring will be the same part for both the 9mm and 40 s&w model. So asking a recoil spring to deal with a light 9mm load and a hot 40 s&w load is an issue I think.