P95 and Glock

[rickpaul]

I took my daughter to the range on saturday June 23rd. It was her first time shooting. She shot my P95. She was freakishly good. She was able (with a couple of flyers) to shoot 4" groups from 30' with her first magazine.

The range operator (a super nice guy) came out and couldn't believe it. He left the range and came back with his Glock. He said "let me see you shoot THIS." He obviously was implying that the Glock is so much better of a gun that he wanted to see the results. He mentioned recruiting her for his women's Glock team.

Anyway, while not being a slouch, she did not get anywhere near the same results. Her groups were more like 8". All of this talk that Glock is a better gun drives me nuts. I hate the squarish grip and the grip angle. I don't shoot it as well.

She was astute enough to know why she liked the Ruger better. For a first time shooter, the weight distribution (a bit top heavy) of the Ruger P95 helps to create a more stable grip and site picture. She tended to be less "twitchy" in lining up the sites. It also handles the recoil better.

To me, given equal reliability, the best gun is the one you shoot better, period.

Glock snobs.

rp

 

[Clovishound]

I have two problems with Glocks.

The only one I have ever shot had a horrible trigger pull on it. I was not able to shoot it worth a flip. Don't know if it was the trigger, or that combined with other ergonomics. Other models/individual weapons may be different, but my initial experience with Glock left me extremely unimpressed.

I will not carry an auto without a manual safety. The numerous examples of trained LE having accidental discharges while holstering/unhostering speaks for itself.

 

[rickpaul]

I agree with you on a manual safety. I am also a DA/SA man because of the long trigger pull if you leave the hammer decocked. I would not be comfortable carrying a round in the chamber on a glock.

 

[FergusonTO35]

I'm not a Glock hater but, other than their trigger mechanism, they just don't work for me. I don't care for the football goalpost rear sight they come with. If I want to shoot cast I have to go spend another $150.00 on an aftermarket barrel. My buddy's Glock 17 feels like the slide is trying to jump off the frame when it recoils, I think this is due to the ultra light frame. I prefer a manual safety on a non-double action carry gun. With the SR9 I get the Glock trigger mechanism and all the above concerns answered.

 

[wixedmords]

I really don't understand Glock arrogance. Not that I don't believe it doesn't exist, it's just the existence is odd. They are kind of the VW Bug of handguns, the "everyman's gun". No arrogance in that imo.

Never liked the feel of the trigger safety, always liked a real "solid" smooth trigger much better. The grip swells on the 3rd and 4th generations don't fit me, and the first 2 generations aren't reloader friendly, imo.

Still, I have to give them the credit of getting a quality pistol into quite a few shooters hands. Nothing wrong with that. If the industry still values getting a handgun into the hands of the normal Joe on one weeks pay, and the Glock fits that. Seems like that P95 is really in about the same boat market-wise, just a little less expensive.

 

[blume357]

I've only shot two... the first was the small 45acp and I could not hit the side of a barn with it... probably me.

the second was a 9mm and it kept jamming on me until the owner pointed out I was limp wresting it.... shooting it the same as I do my P95 in other words...

 

[hittman]

I voted "equal to many other guns".

I have the P95 and a Glock 30. The two are very different guns in so many ways it's really not fair to compare those two. However, I'll be picking up a new-to-me G22 in a day or two so might have more to offer then.

 

[Ale-8(1)]

I have a Model 26. For its intended purpose of relatively-up-close defensive work it's just fine. The trigger is "squishy" like they all are, but again it's workable for the intended purpose. It's not what I'd call particularly "ergonomically friendly" but I can handle it. It's not the "handsomest" gun, but so what. It has never -- never -- hiccupped on any ammo I have felt was appropriate for its intended use.

It's no target pistol, but at "personal" ranges it's perfectly adequate.

As a "dependable, generic, close-range, relatively-easily concealed, self-defense gun," it's OK.

But there are several guns I like better. I just can't warm up to it.

 

[DA_TriggR4Ruger]

Glock to p95 is apples to oranges.

 

[FergusonTO35]

Ale-8, if you ever want to part with your Glock gimme a holler.

 

[gunman42782]

You know, Glocks are reliable, tough guns. And I hate them. I have a saying, Glocks are the only guns that come straight from the box with no pride of ownership. They are ugly. Feel like a plastic brick. And the triggers suck (to me.) But they are as reliable a gun as any made.

 

[DA_TriggR4Ruger]

If Glocks were crap, do you think as many law enforcement agencies would issue them? The ATF just awarded huge contracts to Glock and S&W for their M&P after the submitted weapons won their reliability trials. People can say what they want, the results speak for themselves. Sig was mad because their p250 was dropped after several reliability issues.

Its true. I'm not a huge Glock fan, you can read my posts. I don't even currently own a Glock. (See my Gen 4 g19 thread for all the gritty details.) But I admit, anyone can pop out a lemon. Even Ruger.

So give credit were its due. Even the p95 is a great gun. But to compare it to a Glock, does nothing for either gun.

 

[Elfego El Gato]

It seems to me that it makes perfect sense for a new shooter to do better with a P95, that shoots single-action after the first round, than with a Glock that has a double-action (well, sort of) trigger. The P95 is just going to be easier to shoot, due to the shorter trigger pull.

That said, I love my P95 and my Glock 26. The P95 is no beauty queen and it's a bit rough to shoot sometimes, but it works each and every time I pull the trigger. My Glock is ugly to some, but it's also smooth as glass and usually ends up on my belt when I carry concealed, as it's small and comfortable to wear inside a belt.

They're both great guns in their ways. But, they're also very different and I agree that comparing them does nothing to assign any virtues to either one.

 

[Leucoandro]

I own a Glock 21 G4. I real joy to shoot, with light recoil. Good combat accuracy. The first time I ever shot the gun I put 10 out of 13 45ACP bullets into a 5" circle at 35 yards.

I liked the handgun so much I bought a Glock 17 G4 (9mm). This gun is as accurate as my 21, maybe even more so. The recoil it sharper though, and not as much fun to shoot. The recoil really stands out to me...It is sharper and more noticable than on my Ruger SR9c.

After break-in on my three strikers (not including my Luger), The Ruger SR9c has the best trigger. The trigger pull is in excess of a half pound lighter on the Ruger. The Ruger trigger has about the same amount of take-up as my Glock trigger, but the Ruger trigger has less overtravel.

I say they are Equal to many guns, and better than some.

I do not think that wixedmords is far off with his VW remark.


Charlie

 

[oldiron1]

Glocks are great guns. They are reliable as can be, they are simple and they hold their value.

They are a tool, and a darn good tool, which is more than you can say about alot of other firearm manufacture's products.

Enough said.

If you want a piece of art, buy a 1911.

 

[mohavesam]

I will not carry an auto without a manual safety.

Gun grabs happen, I'm here to testify. There is nothing in my memory like the sight of white knuckles and the muzzle of my own Hi-Power. Open holsters and lack of manual safeties rule any gun out for public carry.

You'll never see it coming...

 

[revhigh]

I have a Model 26. For its intended purpose of relatively-up-close defensive work it's just fine. The trigger is "squishy" like they all are, but again it's workable for the intended purpose. It's not what I'd call particularly "ergonomically friendly" but I can handle it. It's not the "handsomest" gun, but so what. It has never -- never -- hiccupped on any ammo I have felt was appropriate for its intended use.

But there are several guns I like better. I just can't warm up to it.

The 26 is the only one I have left ... I feel exactly the same way about it as A8 ... haven't carried it since I got my KT P3AT, but I won't get rid of it ... it's just too stone-cold-reliable.

Mine is outrageously accurate ... even compared to guns with longer barrels.

REV

 

[Ale-8(1)]

Ale-8, if you ever want to part with your Glock gimme a holler.

Got your PM. Thanks for the offer(s).

I got the 26 when they first came out because of the 10-round magazine limit of the time. Glock saw an opportunity and brought out the 26 as a perfect solution to the limited-capacity, reasonable-power, relatively-concealable situation, and I decided it was a good solution. That the gun has been absolutely reliable and not altogether clunky has convinced me that it's a keeper for its intended purpose. It's a tool, nothing more, but a decent tool at that.

If I were going into the same scenario today there are other guns I'd likely consider closely, but since this one is paid for and is workable, I believe I'll hang on to it.

This is one case where Rev and I appear to be on the same page. Scary, huh?

:mrgreen:

 

[Backlighting]

I've had a Glock 22 for 18 yrs. Thousands of rounds fired. No jams, lightweight, easy to clean & decent accuracy. Additionally, there are plenty of aftermarket tweaks to be had. Recently I purchased a Tactical Solutions 22lr conversion for it, which functions very well.
Absolutely no complaints.

 

[Striker]

I have the G 30 (45acp) and G 19 (9mm), really like them both and have nothing negative to say about them..., same as my Rugers :shock:

 

[DA_TriggR4Ruger]

I have a Model 26. For its intended purpose of relatively-up-close defensive work it's just fine. The trigger is "squishy" like they all are, but again it's workable for the intended purpose. It's not what I'd call particularly "ergonomically friendly" but I can handle it. It's not the "handsomest" gun, but so what. It has never -- never -- hiccupped on any ammo I have felt was appropriate for its intended use.

But there are several guns I like better. I just can't warm up to it.

The 26 is the only one I have left ... I feel exactly the same way about it as A8 ... haven't carried it since I got my KT P3AT, but I won't get rid of it ... it's just too stone-cold-reliable.

Mine is outrageously accurate ... even compared to guns with longer barrels.

REV

I think they are so accurate because of the type of rifling they use. Good to heard from you again rev! I've missed ya man.

I AGREE. What you stated is the reason I'm still looking into possibly getting another glock...

 

[greatmoose]

I've owned a G17 and a G21SF. I really, REALLY wanted to like them, but I just couldn't get over how cheap they feel. I know in my head that they're perfectly fine, but the way front of the frame bends upward, the squishyness of the magwell, and a bunch of little things, I just never could grow to love them. So I sold them both and went to Sig (226, 2022, 3 250s). Fine guns, very nicely made, but I paid WHAT for this? Long story short, I recently wnet back home to Ruger. The P95 does everything all the "better" guns do, but with more money for mags and ammo. Oh, and I bought a Sarsilmaz ST10, just to mix things up a bit. VERY cool gun.

 

[revhigh]

I think they are so accurate because of the type of rifling they use. Good to heard from you again rev! I've missed ya man.

Hey DA !! How's it going ?

What did you ever do with that CZ ? Getting any better ??

I've been around .... just not as active ... LOL !!

REV

 

[BuckJM53]

I can certainly understand why police departments gravitate towards glock as there is nothing wrong with handing your officers an inexpensive gun that is reliable, combat accurate and extremely easy to service. What I've never been able to figure out is how die hard "glock only" owners can actually convince themselves that glocks are superior in any meaningful way to the likes of a Sig, CZ 75 series, Highpower, etc. :?

 

[rammerjammer]

Glocks are good guns but they aren't for me.

What I can't stand are the Glocktards who can only recommend and praise Glocks and disparage all other handguns.

 

[FergusonTO35]

No problem, Ale-8. Can't say I blame ya!!

 

[Mike J]

I don't own a Glock. I do like the ones I have shot. I don't like the way some folks seem to get on the Kool Aid. The biggest plus I see for Glocks is parts & aftermarket accessories seem to be everywhere. I agree with the earlier assessment that comparing a Glock & a P95 is an apples to oranges comparison. My own opinion is find what works for you & go with it whatever that may be.

 

[BuckJM53]

Hey guys ... there is a gold inlaid glock 19 available on Gunbroker as we speak. At only $10,500 :shock:, I can't imagine why someone hasn't snapped it up already :lol:

 

[DA_TriggR4Ruger]

I think they are so accurate because of the type of rifling they use. Good to heard from you again rev! I've missed ya man.

Hey DA !! How's it going ?

What did you ever do with that CZ ? Getting any better ??

I've been around .... just not as active ... LOL !!

REV

Lol! Love the CZ 75. i got pics of some targets at 7, 15 and 25 yards with it. They are on my phone, i just need to upload them!

 

[mikep048]

I wouldn't trade my P95 for anything. A friend of mine (and member here) got her introduction to shooting with my P95 and loved it. She now owns and carries an SR9c.