New flattops?
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flatgate
Hawkeye
I've zero experience with such a swap, however I'd guess there'd be some work required. flatgate
Hondo44
Hawkeye
Yes they will w/o any mods. The FT grip frame has the internal lock so you will need to use the hammer spring and lock that came with the FT grip frame. Or you can use a homemade lock replacement bracket.
Hondo44
Hawkeye
750k2 said:
750k2,
Sorry, just thought of two minor details, when you get the grip frame off of the flat top model you'll see a little divit on the top surface and to the left rear of the trigger guard. That divit is for the free spin pawl that the flat tops have. You'll need to cut that divit into the grip frame that you install it on the flat top for the pawl to work correctly as a free spin pawl. Pretty simple to do.
Also, the flat top frame does not have two holes beside the hammer nor the two projections on the grip frame. So if the grip frame you're putting on the flat top has the two projections, you need to saw them off.
Hope that helps,
They are both flattops - I have a 5.5" plow handle .44 special coming and already have one
of the Lipsey 4 5/8" bisleys (flattop)
I'm just switching the frames so I have a 5.5 bis and a 4 5/8" plow.
I was pretty sure that all I had to do was switch grip,trigger and hammer but
this is my first foray into this playing with wheel guns.
Kinda hung up my centerfire rifle bug for a while.
Having fun with handguns for now.
I've wrecked more expensive stuff than these so it's full steam ahead.
Going to work the actions while I have them apart also - that's the scary part.
of the Lipsey 4 5/8" bisleys (flattop)
I'm just switching the frames so I have a 5.5 bis and a 4 5/8" plow.
I was pretty sure that all I had to do was switch grip,trigger and hammer but
this is my first foray into this playing with wheel guns.
Kinda hung up my centerfire rifle bug for a while.
Having fun with handguns for now.
I've wrecked more expensive stuff than these so it's full steam ahead.
Going to work the actions while I have them apart also - that's the scary part.
Hondo44
Hawkeye
750k2,
The actions are easy to slick up. A little smoothing and honing and reduced spring tension works great. In fact just unhooking one leg of the trigger spring makes a world of difference and there's always after market reduced power springs.
The actions are easy to slick up. A little smoothing and honing and reduced spring tension works great. In fact just unhooking one leg of the trigger spring makes a world of difference and there's always after market reduced power springs.
CraigC
Hawkeye
I think a lot will depend on the individual sixgun. I have only tried to install the new XR3 onto one sixgun, a dovetail rear sight Single Six and it would not work without a lot of fitting.
Hondo44
Hawkeye
Craig,
A new model single six?
A new model single six?
Well - I swapped them around and they have a tiny fit difference - not much.
The plow is a little wider - just enough to feel and the Bis is a little dif angle
on the bottom by the short frame screw with just a sliver of a gap that wont
suck up air tight but unnoticeable. slight dif on the height of the humps also
For my purposes it is more than sufficient - Not Bowen fit but pretty damn good.
Changed out trigger springs and all works as it is supposed to.
If the Bis 5 1/2 start hitting the market at pre panic prices I may swap them back
but the 4 5/8 plow seems to be really balanced perfect.
The Bis will be going in the deer stand this year and hope to chalk one up for Elmer.
These specials sure put my mag and colt on the shelf they are proportioned perfect
for my hand size.
I've had a lot of Rugers through the years and these have really made me happy.
The plow is a little wider - just enough to feel and the Bis is a little dif angle
on the bottom by the short frame screw with just a sliver of a gap that wont
suck up air tight but unnoticeable. slight dif on the height of the humps also
For my purposes it is more than sufficient - Not Bowen fit but pretty damn good.
Changed out trigger springs and all works as it is supposed to.
If the Bis 5 1/2 start hitting the market at pre panic prices I may swap them back
but the 4 5/8 plow seems to be really balanced perfect.
The Bis will be going in the deer stand this year and hope to chalk one up for Elmer.
These specials sure put my mag and colt on the shelf they are proportioned perfect
for my hand size.
I've had a lot of Rugers through the years and these have really made me happy.
CraigC
Hawkeye
Yep.Hondo44 said:
street
Hunter
Craig, Even thought Ruger made 500 each, 4 5/8, 5 1/2, 6 1/2 in. bl. New Model Single-Sixes sometime in the 80s. If the Single-Six you are talking about has adjustible sights, I think you meant to say a "New Model Super Single-Six". Even though the frame has New Model "Single-Six" stamped on it, it's still a New Model "Super" Single-Six. Any way we all know "What You Mean!" :roll:CraigC said:
Hondo44
Hawkeye
CraigC said:
The reason for the extra fitting is due to the different vintages of the XR3 grip frame from no earlier than 2005 and newer, and the dovetail sight single six model from the mid 1980s. Especially the ears or humps around the hammer base are much taller ever since Ruger made all main frames taller in that area around the hammer about 14 years ago so any main frame could be produced with Bisley grip (which always had taller ears) or the standard plow handle grip for production efficiency.
All frame dimensions tend to vary as well over the 20 year span between your grip frame and ss production.
Hondo44
Hawkeye
750k2 said:
I'm surprised at the gap. I've swapped literally dozens of grip frames over the years and never experienced that issue. And I've never found the angle to vary. My first inclination is to suspect that the short front screw is tightening in the threaded hole before the trigger guard is 'sucked' up tight.
Sometimes the clearance hole in the trigger guard is countersunk a little too deep which would cause the shoulder on the screw above the threads just below the head to tighten on the threaded hole in the main frame before the trigger guard is tight. I have experienced that on occasion. You could try the screw from the other gun or slightly countersink the threaded hole in the main frame.
Also sometimes the threaded hole in the main frame is not threaded all the way. You can check for that by trying one of the longer grip frame screws and see if it will thread all the way into the hole. But remove cylinder 1st so it doesn't get scratched. If that is the problem the thread size is 6-40 so you can run a tap into the hole to complete the threads all the way thru. All these tests and rethreading the hole can be done w/o removing the grip frame. Please let me know if any of those work.
Hondo44
Hawkeye
Bueno!! Glad to hear that. You're entirely welcome.
GasGuzzler
Hawkeye
Awesome
CraigC
Hawkeye
No smart guy, I meant what I said. A "dovetail rear sight Single Six".....New Model. So yes, that would make it one of 500 of each length made for Davidson's in the `80's. This one being a 4 5/8" model. It was an attempt to reproduce what Ruger should have done with the 50th anniversary model. Yes, I know what the "Super" denotes but thanks for the sharp eye and sharper tongue. I know what YOU mean. :roll:street said:
Have you nothing better to do with your time???
street
Hunter
"Smart guy", "Sharp eye', "Sharper tongue". Prime example!!! Pot, Kettle, Black!!! :lol:
Hondo44
Hawkeye
Ruger has started offering guns with and w/o lock now. To determine which grip sze you have draw a 3" square on a piece of paper and check you grip size like this from member and grip maker Cary:
