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i think I've completed the process and made a "two-fer" today. I was supposed to interview two prospects this morning but the female was a no-show. During the interview of the other prospect who I'd already decided to hire from his phone calls I discovered that not only did he have all the knowledge he claimed, he also had connections with a specific community that I was counting on the female to bring to the job. WooHoo, I got one employee who is going to fill two niches I need to cover.
One of my "old" employees who has basically refused to work for the past 6 months is going to get a rude awakening when he simply doesn't get any work assignments later. Refusal to accept work as assigned is grounds for dismissal (or take the easier line and don't give them any work until they just quit).
 
It's been a while but when I was in a position where I was involved in the hiring process it was almost a surprise when someone that was competent came in for an interview. Sometimes we'd go through 20-25 interviews and if we were lucky we'd get one good one.
 
I posted the job a month back and had 7 immediate responses. One guy backed out when he found it wasn't a consistent work/pay scenario. One female wasn't sure she could pass the background check. One dude couldn't carry an intelligible phone conversation. Two people were cut due to location (we work from home and I prefer to place new people in spots that don't overlap current employees). Of the final two, one is semi-retired farmer with a business/sales background and the other has a doctorate in a field related to the work he'll be doing and is retired.
When I hired 2 new employees in late 2019, I had 5-6 prospects, talked to 4, and hired 2. Guess I'm lucky.
If/when these new hires get up and running, I'll be back up to normal staffing level. In the past, the team had consisted of 7-8 members but due to a retirement, a couple of deaths, and a couple more dismissals we were down to 6 working members even with 2 new hires in 2019. There were times when I had in excess of 1000 assignments to spread across these few people in 2020 and it's been tough.
 
Wait, you actually got qualified people to interview? And more than one! Wow, tell me how you do it. I routinely get zero genuinely qualified people when I do my advertising for positions. The last 4 hires have been networked from current staff or managers. Biggest flop - Zip recruiter. They've never sent me a single person that met the criteria I set out for the positions.
 
"Wow, tell me how you do it. "

Believe it or don't but my original post on FB pages in the areas I needed to place new hires. Grouch Attack did the posting and my phone was ringing within minutes.
 
I'm retired now but hired many people in my working years. One thing I learned. Unless absolutely vital for the slot college educated meant NOTHING to me. Some of the absolute worst employees were the product of "academia". Entitled, arrogant, and just full of themselves. Found better results just going with my gut feeling for a particular candidate.
 
I hear what you guys are saying , the company I drive for has many positions open (60 + drivers needed ) most of these have been open for months if not years , I know the part time position for my location hasn't been filling in over 2 years , we had a full time slot open for all most a year before they finally found some one that would and could fill it ,
 
Years ago I was needing a job bad enough that I was willing to start as a helper even though I had several years experience, I was told that I was overqualified and wouldn't hire me, I was willing to start low again and eventually move up and explained that, nope, looking for someone with no experience, still don't get that, this was in a cabinet shop so it's not like you're going to have set ways that need changed.
 
kramden said:
I'm retired now but hired many people in my working years. One thing I learned. Unless absolutely vital for the slot college educated meant NOTHING to me. Some of the absolute worst employees were the product of "academia". Entitled, arrogant, and just full of themselves. Found better results just going with my gut feeling for a particular candidate.

I hear you. I have jobs that require a HS diploma and yet I have people that have Bachelors, Masters, and even Doctorates that apply. All of them that have a Masters or Doctorate have them from online diploma mills (and usually have all their college that way). I used to interview them when I was desperate but stopped when I realized that ZERO of them had any meaningful skills and most were so completely delusional about their training it was scary.
 
Mobuck said:
i think I've completed the process and made a "two-fer" today. I was supposed to interview two prospects this morning but the female was a no-show. During the interview of the other prospect who I'd already decided to hire from his phone calls I discovered that not only did he have all the knowledge he claimed, he also had connections with a specific community that I was counting on the female to bring to the job. WooHoo, I got one employee who is going to fill two niches I need to cover.
One of my "old" employees who has basically refused to work for the past 6 months is going to get a rude awakening when he simply doesn't get any work assignments later. Refusal to accept work as assigned is grounds for dismissal (or take the easier line and don't give them any work until they just quit).

Hmmm...in California, one can actually fire an employee for no reason at all. In other words, "We no longer need your services" will do just fine. Or how about "We no longer have confidence in his abilities"?
 
"Millennial Job Interview"
Yeah, that's one BIG reason there's no one on my "team" under 50 except the guy who's going to get fired soon.
Interestingly, it's a favorite topic of my agency director in Washington DC to hire "young people". He doesn't have to manage them on a day to day basis.
One of the guys I interviewed last week checked his phone to see who texted him at least 4 times during the interview. Although he had the qualifications, he didn't make the cut.
 
If a person has not been and owner or supervisor they don't realize that the hardest part of the job is dealing with the workers. Most people when asked say they are doing a good job. I remember one place that I worked at had to hire 300 in a couple of months. They said that only 1 out of 20 was a good worker. And today it is probably worse. The younger generation does not have work ethics like us older guys. And the employers do not treat people like they used to. Now you are just a number. Now it is hard to even find a young person that wants to work. And they want to start out at the top. If I were in a position to have to hire I also would look at people over 50. I have never been without a good job in my life.
 
1962 for about the next three years I was a foreman for a very hard cheap dirty job. It involved me working all over the states in locations only a month or two and hiring a 3 man crew to dig around utility poles to treat for ground line decay for minimum wages.
I had better success than other foremen. I always would get set up at a filling station that had room in back for my guys to park their vehicles, buy my gas there, have a small spot available for my supplies to be delivered.
Most often the filling station owner would have a seventeen year old son or nephew needing work for the summer. Once I got him he would bring his friends for the job. Other foremen would go to the employment agency or even the local hoosegow for workers. Things were far different sixty years ago. They got $1.25 a hour, work hard and goof off doing it. Lots of getting involved and running around shooting and such with them on weekends etc.
I miss the life traveling around it and endless experiences, but definitely not the actual job. Meet a girl and then the job would move me across the country. I quit, got a guard job for Lockheed and couldn't believe there was a job that easy that paid that good and stagnated there for the next 35 years. Made me a slug.
 
Refusal to accept work as assigned is grounds for dismissal (or take the easier line and don't give them any work until they just quit).

Absolutely! Gotta take the good and the bad life is not all peaches and cream!
I was a contractor for many years, i hire a guy and he say I do not do Insulation so I send him down
the road! Another good one I do not do Roofing, hit the road was my answer! Heck they want top dollar
but only do what they want. I easy to work for and the first one to grab a shovel when needed!
Madonnas need not apply is my motto. ps
 
My experience hiring: We had about 20% no shows which is a good thing, w/ that work ethic I wouldn't want them anyway. Meet a stranger in an interview & you have 15 minutes to decide which one is the best choice. Have 1 opening & 5 good interviewees so regrettably have to turn down 4 good ones. Next opening 2 openings & 20 dingle berries apply (wish we could get any of the 4 again but they have jobs now). Try for more good interviewees, no luck. Eventually out of desperation hire the least of the losers knowing they'll be gone in a year or less (usually less). Hear through the grapevine the 4 good ones are saying "They wouldn't hire me but they hired that loser!" (can't blame them). Out of every 100 applicants there's maybe 5 good ones & all show up @ once... or none @ all. I hated hiring.
 
InjunBro said:
My experience hiring: We had about 20% no shows which is a good thing, w/ that work ethic I wouldn't want them anyway. Meet a stranger in an interview & you have 15 minutes to decide which one is the best choice. Have 1 opening & 5 good interviewees so regrettably have to turn down 4 good ones. Next opening 2 openings & 20 dingle berries apply (wish we could get any of the 4 again but they have jobs now). Try for more good interviewees, no luck. Eventually out of desperation hire the least of the losers knowing they'll be gone in a year or less (usually less). Hear through the grapevine the 4 good ones are saying "They wouldn't hire me but they hired that loser!" (can't blame them). Out of every 100 applicants there's maybe 5 good ones & all show up @ once... or none @ all. I hated hiring.

Yeah, that was kind of frustrating. In my case we were a small workgroup and because I treated my people with respect and was fairly flexible with their needs sometimes we didn't have to hire anybody for several years. When we did though, like you said 4 or 5 good ones would show and we'd pick who we thought was the best, and then, of course, 5 years later when we had another opening they were all working somewhere else and we'd get a bunch of ding-dongs showing up for the job.
 
One of the companies I worked for would during the busy time of the year (paint and coating Mfg) would hire temp employees from an agency; IF a full time job opened up, the position was offered to the BEST of the temps and if they took the job, the company paid off the temp agency. We got a load of good employees that way, including several that became foremen later.
 
In my previous career, I only made a couple of hiring decisions. My office vacancies were filled on a seniority basis and I took the most senior applicant.
A common complaint I've heard from other Supervisors in my current position is the "turnover" rate with new hires. The Supervisor I replaced hired anyone who could pass the competency/background checks with the expected (by me anyway) poor retention rate. Since 2016, I've done most of the new hire training so I was exposed to the new employees more than the guy who hired them and I pondered the logic used in the process. One guy didn't last a month, another only 90 days, and one guy quit at the end of the first training session.
It takes approximately a year to get a new hire up to speed with all the various things we do so I don't want to be in constant "start up" mode. Yes, I get paid for the time spent but with my workload, I don't have time to be training one failed new hire after another.
 
I own a small business.
I could expand, and do more.
My work load could easily increase. I no longer advertise,, as I have enough work to keep us going in a "comfortable" pattern. I constantly have advertising companies etc wanting me to "advertise, expand, grow" etc.
I refuse.
Why?
It is BECAUSE I do not want the headaches of more workers. I have one guy,, whom I've known for decades who works for me. He's a former carpenter,, and can no longer work his trade. BUT,, for what I need,, he's perfect. And while occasionally,, he has medical appointments etc that can interfere with work a little,, we are usually able to work around them.
But when I need other help,, I have one guy who is EXCELLENT,, and I'd keep him if I could. But,, he has a primary job,, and can only occasionally do a fill in job for me. Scheduling between the two is a bit tricky occasionally.
But I also know another guy,, whom I've used a little.
He's retired,, just a few years older than me. He can use the extra money,, (his retirement is money lacking) and can do the work. He's a good friend,, and I've known him for about 40 years as well. But,, he's not dependable. He makes excuses,, (I have to get a haircut tomorrow, I need to take my truck to get xyz done to it, My brother & I are going to the flea market tomorrow, I've got stomach issues,, and can't get far from a bathroom, etc etc etc) Only is he "willing" on occasion. He spends a lot of his time sitting at home, watching TV, & such.
When he was working full time,, he constantly complained about his company, his boss, his working conditions, (he was a truck driver, wanted local only, and wanted new equipment always,) and especially complained about his wages. He made good wages for the jobs & such,, but it was never enough. He'd see a boss/owner of a company spending his money on expensive hobbies,,, and complain about not making more money, saying the boss could give them all a raise, better benefits etc.
He has gotten the nickname from all the folks around us,, "Bi*c*#n! Bob. CONSTANT complaining.

The work necessary for my helper(s) is NOT hard. Much of it is small carpentry skills, carrying ladders, being a go-fer for me when I'm on a ladder or roof. And if I'm on a ladder,, busy & not needing anything,, sitting around.

But with many of today's younger people,, their lack of a work ethic, the desires to make top wages w/o the skills to earn top wages, Are exactly WHY I choose to NOT expand.
I have a good friend,, who founded a business with another guy. The two of them worked hard to build a good name & business,, with offices in 4 places,, across 2 states. He's in his 40's, and he sold out his partnership and walked away. He went back to work with his brothers,, in a family business. When I asked him why he did that,, his reply says a LOT.
"I got tired of not being able to actually work,, but instead,, I had to constantly be a babysitter for a bunch of 20-30 year old spoiled brats who didn't want to learn OR work."

He allowed how he'd spend the time & money training & getting certified employees,, only to have them quit, lay out, not do a proper job, not do the required jobs, etc,,, all while making excuses,, or complaining.
He & his brothers grew up in a hard working family, where hard work was expected,, and a work ethic was demanded. And,, the family is successful too,, because they know they can depend upon one another. No outside employees.

We always hear about how America is the "Land of Opportunity"! It is,, but they forget to add the part about; "But you have to work & earn it!"

Sadly,,,,,,,, it didn't used to be that way,, folks understood that it took work to reap rewards.
 
I hired an individual once who interviewed very well, said all the right things, qualifications were good, turned out to be a nightmare. Couldn't write worth a hoot (which was crucial for the job) and when we started trying to correct said individual and helping the person to improve, she denied that here was a problem with her work, then she started a war in the office, turning employees either to her side or against her, then those who were against he she accused of racism, myself and my boss included. And I could not fire her. Ultimately I began praying for her, and God took care of the problem! He moved her on to another position! The lesson I learned was that a good interview does not always result in a good employee! And my LORD and Savior Jesus Christ answers prayers!
 
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