KSR9-10-L
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It should -- just a difference in having a blocked off section to make a regular 17-round mag into a 10-round mag for jurisdictions that don't allow more than 10 rounds. The pistol frame shouldn't be different, just the magazine internals.
NixieTube
Blackhawk
They should work as far as I'm aware. Just make sure you don't bring the 17 round magazine back with you to Massachusetts (or leave with it from Massachusetts). If you are discovered possessing it while you are inside the lines on the map, and you are not a LEO (if I recall correctly) you will permanently lose your LTC and could go to prison on a felony rap, even if you have a valid license and can demonstrate the provenance of the gun. Amazingly, that's true EVEN if you also own a perfectly legal pre-ban Glock with a 17 round magazine (or whatever it came with). As far as I am aware (and I'm not a lawyer) it doesn't matter. The SR9 was manufactured after the ban, the magazines were manufactured after the ban, and therefore you cannot own the 17 round magazine.
It's a post-ban high-capacity feeding device under MA law, and even civilians who possess a "Class A Large Capacity" LTC are forbidden to possess them in the Commonwealth, even if they already own a dozen pre-ban Glocks and have a safe full of pre-ban AR-15s with 30 rounders.
It's a post-ban high-capacity feeding device under MA law, and even civilians who possess a "Class A Large Capacity" LTC are forbidden to possess them in the Commonwealth, even if they already own a dozen pre-ban Glocks and have a safe full of pre-ban AR-15s with 30 rounders.
NixieTube
Blackhawk
By the way, do you already have a "KSR9-10-L" ? Or are you planning to buy one before you go to Maine to shoot at your camp?
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Blackhawk
balldude1 said:
You're welcome. I think the SR9 is a wonderful pistol but I wouldn't bother with the 17 round magazine even if I had it in a "camp" outside the state. Instead, if you haven't bought anything yet and are interested in having that capacity, take your license and go to a dealer in MA and purchase a legitimate, legal pre-ban Glock. There are shops that resell them, maintain them and refurbish them, know them very well, treat them with TLC, etc., and they're perfectly legal with their higher capacity magazines. They are used, but most of them are exceptionally well cared for.
Really -- it's a lot less hassle if you want the extra 7 rounds to buy something that's legal where you live in the first place.
Four Seasons Firearms (just to name one) is a very reputable shop and they have a number of pre-ban Glocks available as do many other reputable shops in MA. Assuming you're telling the truth and you're not trolling for the sake of trolling (excuse my skepticism, you're a brand new poster) and decide you want the higher capacity magazine, unless and until the law changes you might be better served by buying a used gun that's 100% legal, even if it's not a Ruger.
I did the opposite, I had the choice of a number of nice pre-ban Glocks and picked the SR9 even with the magazine restriction because I just like it a lot more. If you stick with the 10 round magazine, you just need to learn to change up a little quicker, but as anyone will tell you it's really practice and shot placement that matters. If you don't have an SR9 already you'll find it to be a gun you'll enjoy shooting and changing the magazine every 10 rounds becomes second nature if you practice a little.
You just don't need the trouble if you mess up in the course of your travels, and believe me you don't want it. Permanent revocation of your LTC for felony violations (and the subsequent surrender of ALL your firearms) is an absolutely ironclad, incontrovertible outcome here even if you unintentionally violate the law, and they're hard enough to get. And frankly the people here who have them don't need anyone screwing up and making them harder to get. I'm not accusing you of that, but I encourage you to play it safe and don't even give yourself the chance to mess up.
Be safe and be legal.
NixieTube
Blackhawk
balldude1 said:
That's OK. And I'm not "Blackhawk." This is a Blackhawk and it refers to the model name of Ruger's single action revolvers. The nomenclature here is a status indicator based on the number of posts I have submitted to this forum. I didn't pick 'em. You are a "Bearcat" because you have a grand total of three posts here, so you're basically the lightest shooting .22 in the forum.
My username is NixieTube, and you've gotten it wrong twice now. It's not that confusing for someone who has done any homework, particularly someone asking about such an important question. I don't mean to be inhospitable or anything, but if you're asking for advice, the most important thing I can recommend is watching where you are, first of all, "balldude1". It's OK to be bald. Heck, lots of us are going bald. But you also need to do some research.
You're increasingly sounding like ... a troll. It could be that the moderators should delete this entire thread.
Speaking of which, it won't accept a "17 shot clip." There is no such thing as a "17 shot clip" for any pistol I know of. You might live in Massachusetts, but before you do anything else, including going to Maine - take a course or three, get a license, and then decide what you're going to do.
I'll be magnanimous here and tell you that if you use the term "clip" when it applies to handguns, you sound like someone who just fell off the boat from 1943. A "clip" is an incorrect, Archaic/Hollywood term that anyone who owns firearms knows applies only to certain types of loading devices that *feed* the internal or removable magazines of bolt-action rifles and a few other types of guns. There are very, very few modern handguns that are loaded with "clips" of any kind, including an SR9 or a Glock. The fact that you don't know the nomenclature very well is a sign to me that you don't know the first thing about what you're talking about. If you had ever taken a firearms course in your life to receive a Massachusetts license, it's very odd that you don't know the nomenclature. Nobody I know calls them "clips" except people who don't have the slightest idea of what they're talking about. You shouldn't either. They're "magazines" when it comes to these pistols.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine_%28firearms%29
I'm becoming less and less confident by the minute that you're anything other than someone who knows nothing about firearms -- and in that case, I recommend you don't go to Maine carrying *anything* until you learn. You're getting off on the wrong foot with me. Reset your feet and good luck!
If I'm reading you wrong, I'm sorry for the interrogation. It could be that you don't realize what you're asking about. If that's the case, please take the time to learn because it's not the world you think you live in, anymore. The 17 round magazines for an SR9 may be legal in Maine, but they are most certainly forbidden in Massachusetts unless you are a police officer.
Be careful.
NixieTube your right. I know nothing about firearms. I am about to take my first course. Since I want to buy an sr9 I thought this Ruger forum would answer some questions I have about the pistol (part of the homework and research you spoke of). I didn't have to pass a test to enter this forum and I don't want a lecture. All though he wasn't positive "E"s anwser was more of what I'm looking for. We all have to start somewhere but it sounds like newbies aren't welcome here. Thank you for all of the info you did give me, you must like to type. I still don't have sure answer to my original question.
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Blackhawk
balldude1 said:
I've already apologized if you thought I sounded a little strident. I asked the questions I asked for a reason and not just to protect you but also to protect the people in this forum. We do like newbies - heck, compared to a lot of people here I am a newbie - and I hope you'll share your experiences getting a license in Massachusetts and then have a great time shooting your pistol(s) and rifles. You should know that it's a long process and to offer some further help if you'd like any advice about how to go about it if you have any doubts, you can message me privately.
Given the events of the past couple of days I have to say I was on "troll alert" and if I swept you up in that I apologize. No offense was meant.
And it's not that I "like" to type as much as I've done an awful lot of it and I do have a tendency to be verbose. That was recognized as both an asset and a liability by people I've known for a long time now. For lots of reasons I type at about 200WPM and I tend to over-expatiate, but that's because I want to underscore the important points. In serious matters like this I want to make sure I do my best to make sure the person reading it understands what I'm saying. Sometimes I go a little overboard on that - mea culpa, and point taken.
Massachusetts is a restrictive state, not to say a hostile state for gun owners. It's not "hostile hostile" but it ain't "warm and fuzzy" either. I don't want anyone - new or not - running afoul of the law because they read something I wrote that didn't lay it all out for them. Getting your LTC here will probably take at least 3 months and could take as long as 6 months given the people I've talked to recently. It's an expensive and time consuming process and the upper tier, the "Class A Unrestricted" is a fairly rarefied echelon - not because I want it to be that way but because that's how long it's going to take.
Depending on where you live in this State, you may not be able to get one at all - even if you do everything else to the letter with flying colors. It's up to the Chief of Police in your local jurisdiction at the *end* of the process whether or not to issue the license to you and whether or not to apply restrictions to it. It's their call. So if you've ever flipped the bird at your local Chief of Police, you'd better go right now and apologize and talk with him/her at a Little League game or something like that, because if they have some misapprehension of you, the best thing you can do is correct it now. And as I've said, there are some jurisdictions in this Commonwealth where Chiefs of Police simply refuse to issue handgun LTC licenses to *anyone*.
If you have any other questions you think I can help you with, feel free to privately message me. There are a number of highly qualified instructors I can recommend who can help you. The main thing is to be completely honest on the application and realize that you're going to be background checked locally, then at the state level by the State Police, and also federally. Have a bench warrant from your last out of state residence? You'd better take care of that before you apply. Got a DWI in the past 10 years? Call a lawyer and get it expunged if you can. Don't bother applying if you have a current domestic restraining order OR if you have ever been convicted of even a misdemeanor that *could* have landed you in jail for 2 years - even if you only got 90 days probation. And frankly as an LTC holder here we don't want people who are interested in trying to "beat the system."
The ultimate final arbiter of your license status is your local Chief of Police -- and that's AFTER you've gone through all the requisite steps. This is a full-on NICS state and every time you buy a gun you're going to be fingerprinted and verbally verified through NICS at the point of sale. Every purchase has to be *verbally* approved in a phone call to the NICS system, and you're going to put your index finger on a fingerprint reader and only after your fingerprint comes back OK and you are verbally approved will you write your check and leave the premises with your purchase. I'm probably overcautious because I can tell you from experience that being overcautious at the beginning of the process - and really knowing the law here, is the best way to understand it and obtain your license - and keep it.
My best wishes to you. You'll find if you stick around that I am very, very careful about telling people what I know about Massachusetts firearms laws - and that's for a reason. If I lecture a little too much, well, that's the way it is. :lol: Please don't take it personally. My sincere advice, regardless of what you decide to do and whether or not you accept my apology, is to have a look at GOAL Massachusetts' website and consider becoming a member. They're the premier 2nd Amendment group in this state, and yes - they like newbies too.
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