Just blowing off steam

[sp327]

I wish a gun owners in New York, or anyone, would start a class action law suit against the news paper that is publishng their names. Not to win, but to keep the newspaper, and its parent company, tied up in court so long that they would go belly up from court fees. That,s basically what all the anti and animal groups are doing. Just blowing some steam.



Politicians love unarmed peasants

 

[contender]

Good idea,,, !

 

[caryc]

I wish a gun owners in New York, or anyone, would start a class action law suit against the news paper that is publishng their names. Not to win, but to keep the newspaper, and its parent company, tied up in court so long that they would go belly up from court fees. That,s basically what all the anti and animal groups are doing. Just blowing some steam.

Politicians love unarmed peasants

What are their damages? You have to be able to prove you've been damaged before starting a law suit. You can't really sue someone because something might happen. Besides, the info must be public record since the newspaper got a hold of the info.

Of course I do agree that it should of never happened and that they were wrong.

 

[5of7]

Maybe I am a little off on this, but I can't see what all the hubub is all about....other, that is, in maybe being a little offended about the motivation of the newspaper involved.

Were they trying to endanger the people whose names and addresses they printed? If they were, I think they failed.

As for me, if I lived in NY (God forbid), I would a Hell of a lot rather that people knew that I had guns, than I would that people knew that I DIDN'T have guns.

Of course, that may just be the country boy coming out in me....in this part of Michigan, almost everyone has guns in the house. 8)

 

[Backlighting]

Maybe I am a little off on this, but I can't see what all the hubub is all about....other, that is, in maybe being a little offended about the motivation of the newspaper involved.

Were they trying to endanger the people whose names and addresses they printed? If they were, I think they failed.

As for me, if I lived in NY (God forbid), I would a Hell of a lot rather that people knew that I had guns, than I would that people knew that I DIDN'T have guns.

Of course, that may just be the country boy coming out in me....in this part of Michigan, almost everyone has guns in the house. 8)

Those looking to steal guns now have a map to show them where to go.

 

[caryc]

Maybe I am a little off on this, but I can't see what all the hubub is all about....other, that is, in maybe being a little offended about the motivation of the newspaper involved.

Were they trying to endanger the people whose names and addresses they printed? If they were, I think they failed.

As for me, if I lived in NY (God forbid), I would a Hell of a lot rather that people knew that I had guns, than I would that people knew that I DIDN'T have guns.

Of course, that may just be the country boy coming out in me....in this part of Michigan, almost everyone has guns in the house. 8)

Those looking to steal guns now have a map to show them where to go.

to get shot

 

[sp327]

Are you home 100% of the time? What about whe you are gone but your family is home? Does somebody else have the right to advertise what you have and possibly put you, your family, and your property at risk? You just lost the advantage of surprise. They know what you have now and that they have to be more agresive?

 

[caryc]

Are you home 100% of the time? What about whe you are gone but your family is home? Does somebody else have the right to advertise what you have and possibly put you, your family, and your property at risk? You just lost the advantage of surprise. They know what you have now and that they have to be more agresive?

Nobody's arguing those points but I know I would not burglarize a house that I knew had guns.

If those CCW permits are public information then yes they have a right to publicize a list of them. I didn't say it was right, I just said they have a right to do it.

 

[Jimbo357mag]

CCW permits should not be public record. There is a reason they are 'Concealed'.

 

[gramps]

Are you home 100% of the time? What about whe you are gone but your family is home? Does somebody else have the right to advertise what you have and possibly put you, your family, and your property at risk? You just lost the advantage of surprise. They know what you have now and that they have to be more agresive?

Nobody's arguing those points but I know I would not burglarize a house that I knew had guns.

If those CCW permits are public information then yes they have a right to publicize a list of them. I didn't say it was right, I just said they have a right to do it.

Well Cary, you aren't a burglar. People put ads to sell things, that attract thieves. Some burglars specialize in certain items, and just love a catalog of where to. Go get guns.
gramps

 

[caryc]

CCW permits should not be public record. There is a reason they are 'Concealed'.

You'd probably be surprised what is public record. That doesn't mean it's published anywhere, it just means that one can go to the courthouse and look up those records.

I never said what they did was morally right. I just said it was probably not against the law.

 

[Montelores]

"Instances of criminals targeting particular locations they know to contain specific valuables (such as firearms), and staking out or casing residences to make sure no one is home, are common and well documented."

"Some persons who seek to bear arms for self-defense are trying desperately not to be found - such as battered wives hiding from their former husbands."

http://ohioccw.org/200407292248/cleveland-editor-takes-heat-for-publishing-gun-list.html


Monty

 

[5of7]

Are you home 100% of the time? What about whe you are gone but your family is home? Does somebody else have the right to advertise what you have and possibly put you, your family, and your property at risk? You just lost the advantage of surprise. They know what you have now and that they have to be more agresive?

Do you think that because a thief knows that I have a gun in the house that he is going to lie in wait for me to leave? And then, not knowing whether or not others are home, take the chance of getting his prized possessions shot off? :shock:

if it is just the guns that thieves want, why not just mug cops?

I agree that most thieves are not too smart, but breaking into an armed household on the premise that it is a safe way to acquire a firearm is a little off the scale.....even for a burglar.

 

[caryc]

Are you home 100% of the time? What about whe you are gone but your family is home? Does somebody else have the right to advertise what you have and possibly put you, your family, and your property at risk? You just lost the advantage of surprise. They know what you have now and that they have to be more agresive?

Do you think that because a thief knows that I have a gun in the house that he is going to lie in wait for me to leave? And then, not knowing whether or not others are home, take the chance of getting his prized possessions shot off? :shock:

if it is just the guns that thieves want, why not just mug cops?

I agree that most thieves are not too smart, but breaking into an armed household on the premise that it is a safe way to acquire a firearm is a little off the scale.....even for a burglar.

Right...even if they know the father has a CCW and they see him leave, they don't know who else is home. And being that there is a CCW holder dwelling there, it stands to reason that others in the household are going to have fire arms knowledge.

 

[eveled]

I think they should have to tell why they chose to publish that information. It is not news. Like publishing a list of people with motorcyles or with pet cats, what is the point? Public record or not what they did was wrong they should be held accountable. Although I agree the people who are not on the list have more to worry about than the people on it.

I read somewhere that the prison guards aren't too happy about it. So maybe their union will do something about it. (If they have one).

Ed

 

[sp327]

I wish everyone would bouycott any buisness that advertises in the paper until they pull their business from the paper. Let the paper go belly up because of loss of revenue.

 

[louiethelump]

Here is FL there is a 10-20-30 law for guns. A gun used in the commission of a felony (as in stealing one) carries a mandatory 10 year sentence. If they fire the gun in the commission of a felony, it is 20 years mandatory, and if they shoot anyone, it is 30 years mandatory.

So, burglaries are taking place where the TV and drugs are taken, and guns are left behind even though they were in the open, as to take them is mandatory 10 years if you get caught. Not worth it.

They took my wife's brand new big screen TV right off the wall, and prescription meds off the kitchen table, but never touched the guns. I mentioned this to the Deputies investigating my case, and they said this has become common. I hope they popped all my meds at once. They are heart rate slowers, and will stop your heart if you take too many..........

In FL you have to serve at least 80% of your sentence, so stealing a gun in a burglary gets you AT LEAST 8 years of running a weed eater or cleaning out ditches for free for the State.

 

[gramps]

Let's see. The flu vaccine gives 100% immunity to the flu, it is in the mail, having a firearm immediately makes one's premises burglar proof. The list goes on!
gramps

 

[louiethelump]

Really?? I have never heard any of those!

LOL!

 

[MMichaelAK]

I'm sure it wasn't fun to find their information published, but as it is Public Record, publishing it is protected by the First Amendment.

Just so everyone is clear, if you can't find a way to support ALL the Rights we enjoy in the Bill of Rights, you aren't very serious about maintaining them for yourself even because if you lose one, you can lose them all.

Boycott, send emails to the paper complaining it was a bad idea, email your representatives, all good ideas.

Being threatening, well that just makes other responsible firearms owners look like rabid nut jobs and we don't need that kind of help.

 

[mr surveyor]

it ain't public record in Texas!

 

[JumpmasterC]

CCW permits should not be public record. There is a reason they are 'Concealed'.

From my understanding, it wasn't limited to CCW holders, but instead all citizens that had a permit to just own a handgun!

Correct me if I am wrong

 

[Powderblast]

It's not public record in Ky, and I'm fairly certain our CCDW law forbids publishing
the names of CCDW holders, with penalties for doing so.

 

[sp327]

I like Florida's way of handling it. Also it just goes to show what we can expect from our government. This info should not be public info. People can either sit there and say " I'll never turn my guns in, they'll be in for a fight, if they try to take them". But guess what? by the time it gets that, far it's to late. I could say I don't care about a gun ban. I don't own high cap magazines or black evil guns. But we all can ban together and not do buisiness with a few certain people or companies that want to take our rights away. Admit it. The way to change a company or many peoples mind is with money. we can either sit back and be pushed or we can do the pushing. Just joining the NRA is not good enough anymore. We need people to remind the politicians that they are to represent us, not rule us. Ask them why are these people on the street. Quit going after the tool and go after the person.

 

[sabnack]

Ideally, some enterprising NY attorney will watch the news for burglaries in the area, and then offer to sue the newspaper on behalf of the victims. It doesn't matter if they have guns or not. If they have guns, argue they were targeted for the guns (this works best if the guns were stolen), if they don't, argue they were targeted because they didn't have guns.

Didn't really want my first post to be about something like this, but so it goes. Hi all!

 

[Laserbait]

I would just like to have someone publish the editors home address, as well as everyone else that works at the paper. Phone numbers would be welcome too. I do believe that is public information as well, and it is also for the public good. :mrgreen:

 

[Ken ONeill]

Publish or widely circulate through the pro gun entities the names, addresses, photographs and telephone numbers of the reporter(s), editors, and owners of said newspaper, and politely call them frequently, picket their homes, with signage, and contact them frequently at work via phone and by letter to strongly but politely voice your objections, all within the context of the law, of course. Do it now.

 

[contender]

Many thieves will break into homes for guns, or steal them when found. I know, I was a victim on 9/5/13. So was a nearby neighbor. I lost only one gun due to mine being in a safe. My neighbor, lost 9 guns. Locally, I'm known to have guns. But due to the thief not knowing me, (we now believe that most likely he lived out of state,) he wasn't prepared to attack my safes, or even my gun room as it was the last room he went into.
Many discussions with LEO's has led me to believe that many thieves will target specific areas & types of homes, while others will be more random.
I think the local thieves know me well enough to not bet on me being home or not or whatever & leave me alone. Yet others who suffer B&E's locally aren't as well known or have cops visit often like I do.
But to have a newspaper publish personal information which should be private, (as it is in some states,) to allow the thieves who are willing to take the risks a selection of targets is wrong.
Most states have some form of law where it's citizens are afforded the right to privacy within their home, (as long as they are not breaking the law & even then a warrant is required to enter that home.) The publication of such information appears to violate that expectation of privacy.

We can argue that some crooks will & some won't use firearm information as a means to more crime. But there is no single definative argument for 100% either way. Too many variables due to the thought process of different crooks.