Is Prison for everyone?
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"Legal Marxism" is when there are a gazillion laws to tangle us.....and they are selectively enforced.
They tell us "ignorance of the law is no excuse". It might have had some validity 100 years ago......back when we only had 1% of the laws we have now.
They tell us "ignorance of the law is no excuse". It might have had some validity 100 years ago......back when we only had 1% of the laws we have now.
xTopGun
Buckeye
Hell no, wait a second, did I say that correctly - HELL NO ! ! ! There are many alternatives available that could be used rather than incarceration, but it's largely the public who object to such harsh and inhuman punishments, i.e. public service work - cleaning sidewalks, roadways, charity service programs, on and on and on..... 
OP
I’ve read that the majority of people commit a felony once a week, they just don’t know which one.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m for strict punishment, I think the black kid that stabbed the other one got off easy at 35 years. I’m for public hangings, for some crimes, but some of these are just throw away laws.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m for strict punishment, I think the black kid that stabbed the other one got off easy at 35 years. I’m for public hangings, for some crimes, but some of these are just throw away laws.
If punishment matched the crime our jails would be less full.
Murder? Swift conviction leading to swiftly applied noose, firing squad, injection.
Rape? Castration
Burglary / robbery? Compulsory work a chain gang for minimum wage until your debt to the victim is paid off
Embezzlement? Forfeiture of all personal assets, followed by jail time
Escape / Eluding? Surgical loss of a foot.
Rioting and property destruction with theft? Burn down their house
Drug dealing? Medically massive overdose the dealer
Addiction? Ban the use of Narcan
Petit theft? Loss of one finger for every occurrence
Shooting at or killing Police? Police ordered it's mandatory to not take prisoners.
Illegal immigration? Fly immigrant to south pole (or far away desert) and let them figure out how to get back to their own country
Carjacking? Let the victim run their legs over after they're caught
Terrorism? Noose etc, same for their family
In all cases surviving perpetrators denied ANY public assistance for life
And the Libs call Trump a King? they're lucky we don't REALLY have a King!
Murder? Swift conviction leading to swiftly applied noose, firing squad, injection.
Rape? Castration
Burglary / robbery? Compulsory work a chain gang for minimum wage until your debt to the victim is paid off
Embezzlement? Forfeiture of all personal assets, followed by jail time
Escape / Eluding? Surgical loss of a foot.
Rioting and property destruction with theft? Burn down their house
Drug dealing? Medically massive overdose the dealer
Addiction? Ban the use of Narcan
Petit theft? Loss of one finger for every occurrence
Shooting at or killing Police? Police ordered it's mandatory to not take prisoners.
Illegal immigration? Fly immigrant to south pole (or far away desert) and let them figure out how to get back to their own country
Carjacking? Let the victim run their legs over after they're caught
Terrorism? Noose etc, same for their family
In all cases surviving perpetrators denied ANY public assistance for life
And the Libs call Trump a King? they're lucky we don't REALLY have a King!
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OP
I agree with the attorney who said, it’s not about justice, but it’s about winning or losing. Prosecuting attorneys rarely take a case they don’t think they can win. The legal system has lost sight of the law in many cases. It goes both ways, many folks that should be prosecuted aren’t, and for some pretty lame reasons.
When I was asked if there was anyone who had objections to the proceedings, I accused the attorneys during the voir dire of cherry picking a jury, THEN the judge threatened me with a contempt charge. I reminded him I was ASKED and I said I am NOT in contempt of court though I DO have contempt FOR the court.
The prospective jury pool was dismissed and I was banned from Jury duty for life.
xTopGun
Buckeye
well damn, why didn't I think of that..... why do I think you and "ski" would get along just fine
So, we have all the diversion programs. For as many people we have in prison you'd think crime would be less. But the problem is simple. Problem isn't bad enough. It's not really a place that bothers some folks, in fact in some groups it's a sign of accomplishment. Pretty sure I have a plan that would turn things around.
For thefts that don't involve injury to the victim or a firearm. Cut off the thumb of their dominant hand. No prison time to pay for, so it's actually pretty cheap. And every time they try to pick something up they are reminded that stealing is not a good thing. Do it again, cut off the other thumb. Now if a person hasn't learned by then, and does it again, execute them within 48 hours of conviction, no stays.
For crimes involving injury to the victim, or using a firearm, execution within 48 hours of conviction. Prison population would be down in short order. Recidivism would drop dramatically simply because a good portion of the criminals would be eliminated. Crime would drop for the same reason, not to mention those who figure out after the first time it's better to get a job than steal and loose another thumb or their life.
Most of this "be kind to misunderstood criminals" mentality started in the 60's. Sixty years and you ask yourself, are things better or worse? It ain't working. Time to try something different.
For thefts that don't involve injury to the victim or a firearm. Cut off the thumb of their dominant hand. No prison time to pay for, so it's actually pretty cheap. And every time they try to pick something up they are reminded that stealing is not a good thing. Do it again, cut off the other thumb. Now if a person hasn't learned by then, and does it again, execute them within 48 hours of conviction, no stays.
For crimes involving injury to the victim, or using a firearm, execution within 48 hours of conviction. Prison population would be down in short order. Recidivism would drop dramatically simply because a good portion of the criminals would be eliminated. Crime would drop for the same reason, not to mention those who figure out after the first time it's better to get a job than steal and loose another thumb or their life.
Most of this "be kind to misunderstood criminals" mentality started in the 60's. Sixty years and you ask yourself, are things better or worse? It ain't working. Time to try something different.
TestEngineer
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When I saw the title of this thread, I thought "sure, why not?"
I went to the Colorado state penitentiary when I was 6.
Sure, it was a school sponsored field trip. But gangs were a way of life growing up. The choice of prison or probable death in the streets didn't inspire much hope.
Luckily for me (I assume), my family moved north when I was 7. Kids were terrified of me for years because they were sheltered in their early years, and they would die quickly in a gang type event.
Eventually I mellowed out and developed friends. But I still miss the early training of how to defend myself without needing to carry a firearm. Only military special forces are trained better for street survival. YOMV.
I went to the Colorado state penitentiary when I was 6.
Sure, it was a school sponsored field trip. But gangs were a way of life growing up. The choice of prison or probable death in the streets didn't inspire much hope.
Luckily for me (I assume), my family moved north when I was 7. Kids were terrified of me for years because they were sheltered in their early years, and they would die quickly in a gang type event.
Eventually I mellowed out and developed friends. But I still miss the early training of how to defend myself without needing to carry a firearm. Only military special forces are trained better for street survival. YOMV.
Roy Best was the Warden at the Colorado State Prison at Canon City from 1932 to the early 1950s. He was suspended for a device called The Old Gray Mare which was a sawhorse that prisoners were bent over and tied to while they had their rear-ends tenderized with a leather strap.
xTopGun
Buckeye
American version of "caning" ....
OP
Singapore still does that, but they use a Cain. Crime is very low.
OP
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You have to admit the Lt Col understood the whole concept, criminal do not fear the police, or judge. It’s up to us.
For those not old enough to know, I’m referring to the late Lt Col Cooper in his famous statement about making the criminals fear the potential victims, with violence if necessary.
You have to admit the Lt Col understood the whole concept, criminal do not fear the police, or judge. It’s up to us.
For those not old enough to know, I’m referring to the late Lt Col Cooper in his famous statement about making the criminals fear the potential victims, with violence if necessary.
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Quite literally the problem is not enough people have been victimized. A food example is a neighbor down the street. She's a pretty good hearted lady who admittedly was all for rehabilitation of the "misunderstood". After living through a home invasion, and a police response that arrive two hours after the invader left, she has reevaluated her thinking.
Too many folks have some fantasy about why criminals act the way they do. They try to explain away their actions by blaming everything from TV to a depleted ozone layer. For them, it's never the criminals fault, it's always some external force.
Too many folks have some fantasy about why criminals act the way they do. They try to explain away their actions by blaming everything from TV to a depleted ozone layer. For them, it's never the criminals fault, it's always some external force.
I can speak from experience about prisons. I spent over 15 years working in a maximum security facility. I was a civilian employee but dealt frequently with the prisoners.
Most of them deserve to be there. They are criminal and scam artists. They deserve to be treated humanely until they cross a certain line and catch a few lumps for their actions.
Bleeding heart liberals like to blame everyone and everything except the "convict-inmate-incarcerated individual" for the reason why they are in the joint.
When I first started working at the prison in 1990 there was an old retired Boilermaker who I had known for years that the prison hired as a welder. We were sent to a class to learn how to deal with the prisoners and they asked him a question... "How do you view inmates"? In his 2nd generation Irish brogue he said "Whadda ya mean how do I view em?? I look at em with SCORN! They're fookin convicts ain't they"!!!
That wasn't the answer they were looking for but I will never forget that statement!
Most of them deserve to be there. They are criminal and scam artists. They deserve to be treated humanely until they cross a certain line and catch a few lumps for their actions.
Bleeding heart liberals like to blame everyone and everything except the "convict-inmate-incarcerated individual" for the reason why they are in the joint.
When I first started working at the prison in 1990 there was an old retired Boilermaker who I had known for years that the prison hired as a welder. We were sent to a class to learn how to deal with the prisoners and they asked him a question... "How do you view inmates"? In his 2nd generation Irish brogue he said "Whadda ya mean how do I view em?? I look at em with SCORN! They're fookin convicts ain't they"!!!
That wasn't the answer they were looking for but I will never forget that statement!
As the guy in the video said, the politicians continue to create new laws and felonies... if you look back over the last 50 years at our war on drugs you will realize one of the main 'accomplishments' from this is to create a large number of people who can no longer vote or own a gun... thus reducing the power of the general population and making the government stronger...
GunnyGene
Hawkeye
Everyone is either already locked up, or are waiting in line for a vacancy.
jg123
Single-Sixer
Everyone is here through no choice of their own, and for a set period of time.
Just my two cents.
I think a group of "Experts", {law enforcement, lawyers,judges, mental health professionals, etc.) should come together and come up with a minimum and maximum sentence for every felony crime. For your first felony conviction you serve the minimum sentence for that felony. Second conviction of a felony you serve the maximum sentence for that felony. Third conviction of a felony you are executed within six months of conviction. Any and all appeals must be resolved within that six months.
I similar system for misdemeanors. After a specific number of misdemeanors they count as a felony. After three felonies see above.
Why do we want people that can't conform to civilized society. They should be removed for the good of society.
I worked as a corrections officer for about 1 1/2 years and saw the type of people we are paying to keep alive just so they can go on to commit more crimes when they are released. I hate the whole idea of the taxpayers having to pay to keep some person locked up for decades until they die. They get great healthcare, free food, free education, free entertainment and have more "Rights" than most of the rest of us do.
Most inmates, with the exception of freedom to leave the prison, are treated much better than our homeless veterans.
Why punish the taxpayers.
I think a group of "Experts", {law enforcement, lawyers,judges, mental health professionals, etc.) should come together and come up with a minimum and maximum sentence for every felony crime. For your first felony conviction you serve the minimum sentence for that felony. Second conviction of a felony you serve the maximum sentence for that felony. Third conviction of a felony you are executed within six months of conviction. Any and all appeals must be resolved within that six months.
I similar system for misdemeanors. After a specific number of misdemeanors they count as a felony. After three felonies see above.
Why do we want people that can't conform to civilized society. They should be removed for the good of society.
I worked as a corrections officer for about 1 1/2 years and saw the type of people we are paying to keep alive just so they can go on to commit more crimes when they are released. I hate the whole idea of the taxpayers having to pay to keep some person locked up for decades until they die. They get great healthcare, free food, free education, free entertainment and have more "Rights" than most of the rest of us do.
Most inmates, with the exception of freedom to leave the prison, are treated much better than our homeless veterans.
Why punish the taxpayers.
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I complained to the DMV because they took my safe driver off my license for the expired tag ticket. When I got someone on the phone, they told me an expired tag was a 3rd degree felony. Do you allow felons on this forum?
contender
Ruger Guru
Is prison for everyone? No,, but punishment is for all who commit crimes.
JiminMaine has the right approach to solving the problem.
JiminMaine has the right approach to solving the problem.
Terry Morgan
Single-Sixer
That quote is from Jeff Cooper, not George Orwell.
Yes, seems now you are for sure a danger to society and need to be limited and contained from certain liberties... welcome to the club!
As I said, fifty plus years of playing nice with criminals hasn't made things better. Time to go back to what worked.
It seems there are two different themes in this thread which are in contradiction.....
1) We need to get tough on criminals, no more Mr Nice Guy.
2) There are too many laws, we are all felons.
Soooooo.....should we get "tough" on people who break unconstitutional and unjust laws? Some here aren't drawing that distinction.
We have "negative rights", which means we have the right NOT to be raped, NOT to be robbed and NOT to be murdered. People who commit these crimes violated our Constitutional rights and should be punished quickly and harshly.
People who did not pay their "fair share" of taxes to pay interest on the phony "national debt" did not violate my rights. People who drove 20 miles over the speed limit did not violate my rights. Whistleblowers like in the OP who exposed government corruption did not violate my rights. People who whistled at whales did not violate my rights. Should they be punished the same as if they violated someone's Constitutional rights?
1) We need to get tough on criminals, no more Mr Nice Guy.
2) There are too many laws, we are all felons.
Soooooo.....should we get "tough" on people who break unconstitutional and unjust laws? Some here aren't drawing that distinction.
We have "negative rights", which means we have the right NOT to be raped, NOT to be robbed and NOT to be murdered. People who commit these crimes violated our Constitutional rights and should be punished quickly and harshly.
People who did not pay their "fair share" of taxes to pay interest on the phony "national debt" did not violate my rights. People who drove 20 miles over the speed limit did not violate my rights. Whistleblowers like in the OP who exposed government corruption did not violate my rights. People who whistled at whales did not violate my rights. Should they be punished the same as if they violated someone's Constitutional rights?
/there lies the real crux... that's why mandatory sentences are an insult...
I was just reading one of John D. McDonalds Travis McGee books from the 60's and he pointed this out.. . 18 year old high school kid gets busted with 4 joints and if convicted is now a felon and no longer can work in a number of jobs... let alone vote or own a gun. One you throw someone in prison for a year or two they are pretty much tainted for life...
I was just reading one of John D. McDonalds Travis McGee books from the 60's and he pointed this out.. . 18 year old high school kid gets busted with 4 joints and if convicted is now a felon and no longer can work in a number of jobs... let alone vote or own a gun. One you throw someone in prison for a year or two they are pretty much tainted for life...
Paul B
Hunter
wonder just how many times a prosecuting attorney has lied, cheated change witness testimony just so they can cull another scalp?
My neighbor stopped some kids from stealing another neighbor's car, a Mecedes Benz. Because he had a gun, nothing happened to the kids for what they did, not even one day's probation. My neighbor on the other hand was told by the sheriff's deputy to hand over his firearm which he did. He gave Deputy dawg a Walther P38 9MM. He was then told he had no idea what to charge him with and he would have to talk to the county attorney and let them decide.
Six or more months went by and no word until one day two detectices from the sheriff's dept. come byhis house and take him away in cuffs. He's charged with aggravated assault with a firear. He and I are good buddies, we shoot and hunted together many times. Well, at the first hearing to decide if there will be a trial or just let a judge decide his fate they state presented it's case. First a few witnesses, on the back up deputy who it turns out to be the uncle of two of the kids. Then, one witness, a six year old girl is presented as a firearms expert. I'm not kiddiing. She said the firearm was a Walther P38 9 and stumbled badly on pronouncing millieter. OUCH! The deputy who filed the original report identified the car in question as a BMW. Vas das nicht a Mercedes' Stern? (was that not a Mercedes' star?)
At no time of that hearing was the owner of the car in question allowed totestify. Not at the hearing and not at the time in front of the judge. However when before the udge, there was a dozen relatives of the perps demanding a full no parloe sentence with each count running back to back. The punishment ran from 5 to 20 years for each count and they wanted the full twenty for each one. The judge said that he would consider it. A couple of weeks later his decision was one year supervise probation plus 80 hours community service. He finish that and the judge said anther six months unsupervised probation. When he finished that he got papers from the court restoring all his civil rights.
You tell me. If that wasn't a 100 percent purentee railroad job, then what would you call it?
PJ
Twice I came across someone I had conducted the investigation, filed charges and testified against in court, in public. The first was a few years after but I recognized him. I was with my fiance, her son, and my two daughters. We were in a mall shopping (that tells you how long ago it was). I told my fiance to take the kids into a nearby store and I kept walking straight. He was coming straight to me, and had a Spencer's shirt on. The closer he got he had no threatening posture but he kept solid uninterrupted eye contact. As he approached he asked me if I was "Mr M****".....again not a sign of aggression or posturing. I said yes. He extended his hand to shake and started thanking me for getting his life on track. Said he had been clean/sober since the arrest. He only did 2 yrs, and was still on probation but did get a job at Spencer's (weird store). He said being in a cell again finally made him realize he had to change. That was a long time ago. I hope he is still on that path.
It happened again when standing in line at a movie theater with my now Wife. Guy came up fast from my left side directly from the parking lot and said "you are M**** right?". I put my Wife behind me and I said "yeah do I know you?". He said "yeah, you know I went inside for that sh*t"......then said "but it's all good now I'm good. I was stupid. Thank you man. Thank you. Is that your Wife?"...talk about chills....we were seeing one of the Avengers movies....at least my Wife was. I was scanning constantly....but I guess he turned it around. Didn't see him again. Who knows.
There are alert apps, one is called Vine, that lets you know when someone is being released that you played a part in their incarceration. I don't worry too much about it any more. In fact, it was only on my work phone and I turned that in when I retired.
It happened again when standing in line at a movie theater with my now Wife. Guy came up fast from my left side directly from the parking lot and said "you are M**** right?". I put my Wife behind me and I said "yeah do I know you?". He said "yeah, you know I went inside for that sh*t"......then said "but it's all good now I'm good. I was stupid. Thank you man. Thank you. Is that your Wife?"...talk about chills....we were seeing one of the Avengers movies....at least my Wife was. I was scanning constantly....but I guess he turned it around. Didn't see him again. Who knows.
There are alert apps, one is called Vine, that lets you know when someone is being released that you played a part in their incarceration. I don't worry too much about it any more. In fact, it was only on my work phone and I turned that in when I retired.
