Indoor Range Fire

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I'm not going to guess at how or what caused this fire, but it's not something I'd want to contend with. :shock:

Video of flash fire at an indoor range - about 2 minutes long.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/12/kat-ainsworth/video-maintain-your-firing-range-or-burn-baby-burn/
 
I think one of the theories on these is unburnt powder that builds up on the range.. but in reality you can do it with just plane dust if the right amount is in the air. I actually did it last week with soot in a chimney.... lit if off and had one big ball of fire for a few seconds.

I watched the video, pretty sure it is unburned powder that ignited....
 
Looks as though the ventilation system was seriously lacking too. I have shot a LOT of rounds in indoor ranges and never have I seen that much smoke (prior to the fire).
 
Hi unburnt powder for sure my daughters boyfriend owned a indoor range and he told me they had to sweep the floors and oil the backstops every day to prevent unburnt powder fires

Gramps
 
My club has an indoor range. The building is concrete with a non combustible suspended ceiling. On Bullseye practice evenings we have about 20-25 shooters each one firing 90 rounds of 22lr. Once a month we fire 270 rounds with 270 rounds fired, one third of which are .22lr. After finishing when we sweep the floor we always get around half a cup or more of unburned gunpowder. The .22s seem to be the worst offenders when full 270 rounds are shot with 90 being .22s and the other 180 being centerfire we still sweep up about the same amount of powder as we did on the 90rd .22 only nights. The .22s are by far the dirtiest ammo other than possibly black powder.

In the video it looks like they are firing black powder cartridges. The rifles are rather long for modern types but the do seem to be bolt action. The flash looks more like black powder than the cleaner looking flash of modern smokeless propellent.
 
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exavid said:
In the video it looks like they are firing black powder cartridges. The rifles are rather long for modern types but the do seem to be bolt action. The flash looks more like black powder than the cleaner looking flash of modern smokeless propellent.


I'm thinking they looked more like pump action shotguns (watch the left hand of each shooter) firing some type of cheap ammunition, lots of muzzle blast with each discharge. I think the powder build up on the floor is probably right .
 
Hi,

I believe the Glock factory has had a couple of fires like that at their test range. As I recall, built up unburnt powder was blamed there, too.

Rick C
 
About 8 years ago, the Nosler plant here is Bend, Oregon had a fire followed by an explosion in their underground ballistic test chamber. It did several million dollars damage to the Nosler plant. No one was injured.
 
Went to an indoor Range in Brewer Me. once with a friend of mine who is a member.
Come to find out when the brass hits the floor it becomes theirs you are not allowed
to pick it up!! I was shooting a 1911 now way was I gonna leave my brass for them
to sell! Especially with the price they charged for the privilege. ps
 
At the indoor range where I often shoot, there was a fire that did slight damage.

Unburned powder builds up on the floor. The muzzle blasts sweep the powder to a point between firing points. One stray spark, from burning powder, set off a small amount of powder causing a small, but hot and fast burning flame. The flame itself soon would have burned itself out, but the fire on the concrete floor turned moisture in the concrete into steam and caused the concrete surface to explode. Flying concrete chips embedded themselves in the acoustic tiles overhead. And there was a layer of concrete blown out maybe 12 ~14" in diameter.

I have seen fires start downrange, just a few feet in front of the firing line, these from accumulated unburnt powder. The range officers just calmly calls a cease fire and allows the fire to burn out.

I saw one other fire downrange, on the berm, from the use of tracer ammunition, which is ordinarily prohibited.

Bob Wright
 
Watched video, the shooter in the closest station fired several rounds and I didn't see any recoil from the gun he was firing. Lots of flame though. If he loaded squib loads there is a possibility there was a lot of unburned powder build up on the floor.
 
Years ago, I was a member of the BRPC here in Seattle. The range was located in the basement of an old downtown building fronting 1st St. & accessed from a back alley on the waterfront side. (needless to say it wasn't the best of neighborhoods) I had a chance to trade my Ruger 10-22 for a MAC-10 (open bolt 9mm) & I wanted to try it out before I made the trade. I loaded a couple of 30 round mags up & proceeded to blast away... half-way thru the first mag, the un-burned powder residue coating the steel deflection plate at the end of the range began burning furiously. Lots of smoke, but the fire didn't blow up like as shown in the video, just sort of sputtering in an ever-widening circle & spewing lots of smoke. I ran down to the end of the range (since I was the only one down there at the time) and shuffled a line around the fire with my foot. The fire burned to the line & went out, leaving me choking on the fumes and wondering why I would ever consider such a trade. I passed on that trade, but my point is that the video blows up way too fast for powder residue IMHO. I would guess some gaseous accelerate like natural gas or propane, or whatever that flooring is made of would be out-gassing. From my perspective as a one-time fire chief who has seen a few chemically-enhanced fires, and personal experience with burning powder residue, dust in the air usually explodes in a more violet manner - you can actually see the flame path following left to right before flaring up into the atmosphere. If you slow the film down or step thru, it appears the fire starting under the flooring as you can see it thru the floor joints just before flaring up. From there it might be feeding on dust or fumes not sufficiently present to ignite spontaneously, but with help from the flames below.
 
Gotta wonder what shotgun loads they were firing. Lots of flash, no recoil. Blanks? A very light "training" load? Maybe the powder buildup was from firing 5.56 rifle ammo in the shorty carbines that SWAT teams love. The back wall had "eggcrate" foam, like we used to use as extra cushion on hospital beds. It will burn. Lots of bad things going on here: poor range design, poor choice of materials in range construction, too many people on the range at one time, lack of cleaning. That's why a real range has all those pain-in-the derriere rules.
 
Here's the article and another video from a different camera.
http://westbocanews.com/2018/12/crazy-fire-in-brazilian-shooting-range/
 
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