If you're thinking about a river cruise in Europe

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My wife and I recently returned from a one week river cruise in Europe and I thought I'd share my thoughts on this trip with the members of the forum. I'll preface it by saying I am not a "cruise person". Prior to this vacation I was on only one cruise, a five day Royal Caribbean cruise to the Bahamas which I did not particularly enjoy. On that cruise we had a tiny, uncomfortable stateroom, felt the ever present crush of thousands of other travelers on the ship, endured plentiful but mundane at best food and other than a few enjoyable shore excursions felt no desire to ever repeat the "cruise experience". But going on the Viking River Cruise titled "The Romantic Danube", from Nurnberg, Germany to Budapest, Hungary was quite different, in a positive way. Of course, the total cost of this cruise was more than triple what we paid for the Caribbean cruise so maybe its not fair to make the comparison.

To start off, if you aren't willing to spend the extra bucks for "business class", be prepared for a long and uncomfortable flight. I try to avoid flying because I hate the hassle and the crowded seating, but decided it would be worthwhile to tolerate the flights so as to enjoy the cruise. The end result is a mixture of good and bad. The bad was how cramped the flights were, and for the length of flight it was a real discomfort. From Chicago to Berlin the flight time is about 9.5 hours. I don't sleep well on aircraft, especially when the cabin seemed to be filled with non-stop crying infants, both ways, so I suffered significant jet lag on both ends of the vacation. Security was not, however, the pain I feared it would be, with us passing through the TSA system at O'Hare Airport in about 30 minutes or less, and the same on the European end. However, going through U.S. Customs and whatever else the security forces call themselves, returning to the U.S., was not fun. We had to wait on multiple lines, all ending with quite abrupt and unfriendly U.S. agents. I know that security is important, especially for folks trying to enter the U.S., but having valid U.S. passports and zero criminal backgrounds I do not know why it took so much time, and why we were treated with what seemed like barely contained hostility, by our own government. Maybe as a retired U.S. Army officer I am more sensitive to this treatment than are others, but it was not the best part of the trip.

As to the cruise itself, Viking really knows what they are doing. The ship was fabulous. You really feel like you are going first class in every way. The stateroom was modern and roomy, with a small but usable balcony with seating for two. The food was awesome and the service by the staff at Ritz Carlton like level. The ships are long (about 450 feet) and narrow, sized to just fit into the locks as you go up or down the river and the channels used on the cruise. Big enough to offer what you would expect, and small enough to not be overwhelming such as found on ocean cruise ships. Everything was totally informal, with no "dress up" evenings, which was perfect for me. Most of the travelers were Americans, but there were a fair number of Brits (great company to travel with), some Germans and a smattering of others. The scenery that the ship travels through was beautiful, with the highlight being a lit-up Budapest for our final evening cruise/dinner. Everyday there are included excursions plus optional, extra cost excursions. While overall this part of the cruise was disappointing, especially for some of the expensive optional trips we signed up for, some of the walking tours in cities that we stopped at were great. Walking through the heart of Passau in particular, as well as Regensburg, and not so much in Vienna, I had the feeling of "I could live here!" more than once. It didn't hurt that Germany and Austria seemed filled with beautiful young women and almost, almost made me wish I were a young man again and not a happily married (50 years so far) senior citizen.

So overall it was a great vacation, but then again, anytime I would spend about $12,000 for a week's vacation I would expect it to be great. Would I take another river cruise? Maybe, but if I did I would not hesitate to use Viking again. The air travel was not fun, so if I could have broken it up with smaller flights with a few days in intermediate locations, like Greenland and then London, for example, maybe it would have been more fun. And for what it is worth, I never really felt uncomfortable being totally unarmed the entire trip. The cruise officials went out of their way to assure us that the places we were visiting were very safe, even for night time strolls, and the only warning was to be aware that there are pick pockets everywhere in Europe. Maybe they are sugar coating the reality, and in truth my wife and I did not go for unaccompanied evening strolls through any of the cities we visited, but I did in fact feel very safe and comfortable the entire time.

So overall I give the trip a thumbs up. I'll admit that for a week it was fun living like the rich (I would say the overwhelming majority of my fellow passengers, based upon our friendly conversations, were quite well-to-do if not actually very rich) and enjoying the good life. Throw in the beautiful scenery, the nice people we met and the good (and too available!) food and drink and I would say I recommend such a trip. And by the way, and this coming from a only occasional beer drinker, the German "brown" beers we drank were amazing (not to be confused with the bitter "bock" beer).

If you want, feel free to PM me for more info or details about this trip. Now, for me, its back to "normal" retired life in the Midwest.
 
My only previous "cruises" involved warships in South East Asia, so I'm pretty sure any civilian cruise would be an improvement. :lol:
 
I will bet that for that much money I can put together a much more fun and rewarding vacation than giving that much money to some corporate venture.
That much money would have bought you and the Mrs one incredible elk hunting experience out here in Colorado
 
Did a cruise ship once - been there done that. We have friends that take a 2-4 week small boat cruise in Europe or the Med every year - yeah they're rich. I couldn't see myself tossing $30-40,000 out the window every year.
 
My neighbor did a Viking river cruise in Germany and had a great time.
My daughter just came back from Italy and returning customs was fast and efficient. Not even a bag search, just answering some questions on a touch screen.
She said the process and long lines were reserved for non-Americans coming into the country.
 
Other than private boats, I've never been on a cruise. Oh, wait, did some days on a schooner down Maine. It was fun, but not enough time spent with the sails up.

As for flying, esp coach, and for long distances, I offer:
. ear plugs. They do wonders at taking the noise edge off.
. Your favorite semi-sophisticated pain relief (I used advil). Take it just before getting on, or at first chance once in the air. For a flight like you did (9+hours), take a second about 4 -5 hours in. Does wonders (well, for me anyway) on jetlag. Those who have tried it say it certainly took the jetlag down several notches.
 
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Hi,

Glad your trip was good, vito! Friends took probably that same cruise a couple of years ago, their very first cruise experience, 'cept they went the other way, from Budapest and ending in Amsterdam. They loved it and gave Viking the same high marks!

Rick C
 
Vito:
Hello, I just took you up on the offer for more info and sent you a PM.

Glad you had fun, I know what you mean about the coach seats on airplanes. We fly business class a lot, but sometimes we have coach class tickets. Might as well be the bottom of the bucket. It's frustrating at times the way the stewardess's treat you too, almost like you are in their way.

But the cruise certainly sounds like fun. Glad you enjoyed it.
 
I'm glad you got a chance to do this. The cruise part sounds great. My wife is the first American born, of her Hungarian mother. We keep joking about her returning to "The mother land". It looks like it'd be an enjoyable time. I'm with you on the air travel part. Might as well go as cargo. :wink:
 
vito said:
On that cruise we had a tiny, uncomfortable stateroom, felt the ever present crush of thousands of other travelers on the ship, endured plentiful but mundane at best food and other than a few enjoyable shore excursions felt no desire to ever repeat the "cruise experience"

Felt the same way after my "cruise" on the troopship USS Gaffey.


Bob Wright
 
I am officially envious. My one cruise experience was similar to your first. Tiny cabin, ho-hum food. Not an experience I'd care to repeat. You Viking cruise sounds much, much better.
 
My in-laws took that cruise several years ago. They also felt it was the best cruise and one of their best vacations. They were frequent international travelers. I am afraid that it is a bit out of my budget but it sounds great. Glad you had a good time.
 
Gee, I've been on several cruises;
1. 1947 (?), Oahu to the Big Island of Hawaii on an LST (Name unknown)
1. 1948, From Hawaii to the USA aboard the Transport USNS PRESIDENT HAYES
2. 1952, From Brooklyn Navy Yard to Morocco aboard USNS Geiger- - First voyage
3. 1953 From Casablanca Morocco to Brooklyn Navy Yard aboard the USNS Geiger-- Anniversary Voyage
4. 1972-1977 from Long Beach, CA to Santa Catalina Island aboard the Ketch CONCHITA
Now I can't even afford a trip down the Hillsborough river in a canoe !!
 
Sounds like a great way to travel and see the people and countryside in Europe. Rick Steves would be proud. :D
 
Jimbo357mag said:
Sounds like a great way to travel and see the people and countryside in Europe. Rick Steves would be proud. :D

Actually, It's MORE FUN to have a couple of good friends who are citizens of the country and travel with them taking pictures and seeing the Countryside TOURISTS usually miss.
Did that in England, we visited the Hill country, saw the Blue John Mine, a small town with a memorial built right in the middle of the major intersection in the center of the town (Only TWO roads into the town) it was built by the local "Lord", "Knight", "Earl" after his wife died. Ate lunch in a nice little Pub/Hotel ; First rate food, First rate service and got called , "LOVES, and Dears" all the time. Place had been there since the early whatevers, had a picture on the wall of autos looking like "Model T's" parked in front of it. Then we also visited the Lake country and Wales too. You aint lived until you buy a lunch/dinner from a little local Fish and Chip Shop. Yeah, on another trip, Ashley and I did hit the major tourist stops, the London Eye, the Tower of London, a Thames river boat ride, out to Stonehenge, the Roman ruins in Bath, Windsor Castle, etc etc. OOPS almost forgot the Concorde SST tour, we paid extra and got the Technical tour with a limited number of people and access to the Cockpit-- (Best way to see this great aircraft) where we had a full explanation of all the dials, switches, etc given by an Ex-SST pilot. ( I got to sit in the cockpit jump seat used by Prince Charles when he flew aboard her, Ashley got the Captain's Seat).
 
Glad you had a nice vacation Vito. This is on my wife's and my bucket list. I have been to Buda/Pest and it is a lovely pair of cities with great people, great food and a great history if one does the research prior to visiting.

A little advice on security and customs, inside and outside the US. Pay the money for "Global Express", it is basically a international TSA pre check. If anyone is planning a trip out of the states it is well worth the money. I believe it is still $100 and is good for 5 years. You have to have a passport and another valid govt. issued ID. They will do the standard FBI 10 year background check. You use completely different customs and it takes about 10 seconds to get in and out of a country.

Oh and if you fly inside the US you use the TSA pre check lines at airport security. Another huge time saver.


Karl
 
The TSA Pre-check program only works with airlines that "partner" with TSA. The airline that I flew on, Air Berlin, is not such a partner. TSA told me it would be a waste of $100 for me for this trip.
 
I hate Ocean Cruises, but love Viking River Cruises. I totally agree with the First Class atmosphere and superb food as well as seeing things rather than open ocean when traveling from one stop to the next. Fortunately I typically can fly for free and almost always Business or First Class.

If you have flexibility with your times and can go at the last minute, I have booked flight on hold and then called Viking so see what they have in the way of open cabins the following day and have been able to get Two For One Tickets at an additional 50% off or 25% of the published fare. You need to be ready to rock and roll and may have to change which exact itinerary.

Bob
 
vito said:
The TSA Pre-check program only works with airlines that "partner" with TSA. The airline that I flew on, Air Berlin, is not such a partner. TSA told me it would be a waste of $100 for me for this trip.


I think you may have misunderstood my post. "Global Express" is not "TSA" ran. It is a worldwide program. Yes, it includes TSA pre check or as it is called "Known Traveler Program/number". It is applicable in every country's entry program, i.e. US Customs, UK customs, France, Germany, Netherlands, UAE, on and on.

It really all depends on how much your time is worth and how much you can put up with standing in lines. If you never travel then nope, it probably isn't worth it, again depending on your patience. Coming from or going to Mexico, Cabo, Costa Rica, Hungary, England etc.. it is well worth the cost.

I guess look at it this way, it is like traveling first class when crossing borders, any borders that recognize the program, which the majority do. Basically no baggage searches, lines or crap from those rude agents you spoke of. IMO anyone traveling outside of this country should invest in the benefit. Yes, you are paying to be paid as a first class citizen. Also, as I mentioned it works the same as TSA pre check at all airports in the USA. That program costs $85, so why not pay the extra $15 and get it world wide??

For your wife and your self you would have spent almost zero time in dealing with customs. Granted the EU is open travel but I have a feeling that will eventually change back to each country dealing with it's own entry programs due to the problem with illegal immigration. It is up to the traveler but we travel enough that it is well worth the $200 for both of us.

JMOs

Karl
 
rkittine said:
I hate Ocean Cruises, but love Viking River Cruises. I totally agree with the First Class atmosphere and superb food as well as seeing things rather than open ocean when traveling from one stop to the next. Fortunately I typically can fly for free and almost always Business or First Class.

If you have flexibility with your times and can go at the last minute, I have booked flight on hold and then called Viking so see what they have in the way of open cabins the following day and have been able to get Two For One Tickets at an additional 50% off or 25% of the published fare. You need to be ready to rock and roll and may have to change which exact itinerary.

Bob


Just curious Bob, how do you fly for free? Airline employee or points? I work for an airline, that is why I'm curious. Plus overseas we fly ID 90 on other airlines and can get a bump if the first class/business class is open.


Karl
 
Hey Karl,

I am a medically retired Part 121 Driver and that resulted in better benefits than if I was still on the line or even a regular retiree. Then after the retirement, I worked for many years with three World Wide companies.

Still have over 10,000,000 award miles in the combination of my accounts as well as lifetime premier cards. I got into the Frequent Flyer Programs when they first started, even Dead Heading. When the wars came, Triple Mileage if you used an American Express Card to pay, double miles for premier etc. I played all those games too. After I got divorced, I would actually book many of my flights so that I had multiple stops therefore getting more frequent flyer miles and segment awards.

Put all together and about the only things I pay for are taxes and sometime airport fees. Doesn't even pay for me to fly my own planes (Cessna 340A / C-182/ 11AC on Floats - I still teach) unless it means going to somewhere not serviced by an air carrier or just wanting to go for a $100 Hamburger (or more these days).

Bob
 
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