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That's the only word I can come up with.

What possesses someone to ignore and drive around not one, not two but THREE ROAD CLOSED signs with barricades and flashing yellow lights, only to find out that the road is, indeed, closed? But, wait! There's more! In spite of the signs and the fact that the road is under three feet or more of water, they think their vehicles are amphibious.

It's the annual road flooding season in my neck of the woods. Every year certain sloughs and creeks overflow and crest their banks due to rain run-off. Bridges and sections of roadways are covered or washed out. Right now, both the west and the south borders of the ranch are flooded, closing the main road bordering the ranch to the east and a dirt levee road bordering the west side. Happens most every year.

Today, no less than three vehicles - 2 passenger cars and 1 semi truck/trailer stalled out on the main road and had to be towed. The semi was buried up to the undercarriage in the mud on the shoulder of the road. That was at 10:00 this morning. They were still trying to dislodge it at 6:00 this evening. Both cars were 2/3 submerged, up to the windows. They pulled them out without too much trouble, although i' d hate to have to pay that towing bill. Tow truck operators don't care much for getting wet. And then there will be the repair bills...

At least two other drivers had the sense not to try and play Yellow Submarine, and turned around. Smart, right? Wrong. No, they thought it would be better to detour onto the ranch road and try the one lane dirt levee road that I mentioned. Key words: "dirt, one lane". Oh, and "closed, flooded". Both of them got stuck about 50 yards onto the levee, and I mean stuck. So, I hear the inevitable knock on my door. These knuckleheads see the Cat dozer and various tractors and humbly and desperately ask if I can possibly uh, pull them out. Did I also mention generously? Now, having lived in these parts for sometime, I, myself, know first hand how that levee road turns into a gloppy, gluey mess that makes wet Georgia clay look like child's play. I've gotten more than one piece of equipment stuck on that levee myself. Once i had to wait over a week for the water to recede and the mud to dry out before i could pull a tractor out. Sorry, folks, but here's the number for the tow company working on the other mess. Y'all can hang out at the hay barn by the feed lot 'til the tow truck comes. Oh, and don't try to pet the feral cats in the barn, they aren't too friendly. I've seen them run off a coyote one time. (There's somewhere around 40 of them rat catchers, and every one of them tougher than a cheap steak).

I'd hate to see their towing bill, too. The one thing tow truck operators hate worse than getting wet is getting muddy. Can't say that i blame ' em.

Now, you might be wondering why I didn't offer to be a good neighborly fella and help them. Well, I was in the middle of figuring out how I was gonna get the front end loader out of the middle of pen number 3. You see, I buried it up to the hubs dumping and spreading straw hay to build islands for the cattle. Seems i never learn, either. Idiot.
 
wolfsong said:
I'd hate to see their towing bill, too. The one thing tow truck operators hate worse than getting wet is getting muddy. Can't say that i blame ' em.

Hi,

Me, too!

At the wildlife area where we've shot ducks on occasion, there are a number of the levee roads that can get pretty goopy. And there are always guys who think because they've got 4wd and they're wearing the latest camo from the Cabela's catalog, they can go anywhere, ignoring the signs. One year it had been pretty wet, and the wardens had closed off a handful of those roads, but that didn't stop the idjits.

The lady who took care of signups and such was the sister of one of the wardens. She warned people: "If you get stuck, we'll call a tow truck for you. Their starting price is about $500 if you haven't gone beyond a 'Road Closed' sign. If you have gone beyond it, you'd better have about $1500 in your pocket!"

Rick C
 
There is an excess of idiots on the roads. Last year my grandsons and I were heading home from the "Eastern Gathering" at Contender's range. 22 miles of I-85 in NC just before entering VA is under construction and is one lane, 50 MPH. I got behind a semi that was following a smaller car that was doing 35 the entire way. A 'person' in a motor home was behind me and made several attempts to pass on the right shoulder (no idea where he/she thought they were going to gain). Finally about three miles from the VA/NC border they came by us on the right and nearly pushed me into the Jersey wall. Fortunately I saw what was about to happen and slowed down and let them pass. Now they were behind the semi. . .going 35 MPH. When we finally drove into VA and were back on two lanes the fool never accelerated to the posted limit. I passed them and both the grandsons waved to the driver and told him what a 'number one' person he was.


Here is a story from Arizona about driving into flooded areas.
https://www.cvbugle.com/news/2017/mar/01/ignoring-signs-flooding-and-flood-messages-often-e/
 
Another example -- travelling the Interstate, signs appear: "Left lane closed for construction, 1 mi. ahead", "3/4 mi. ahead", "1/2 mi. ahead", "1/4 mi. ahead", "1000 feet ahead". Finally, "500 feet ahead", and NOW the idiots start trying to move right...
 
Does CA have the idiot motorist law like AZ? Basically it says if you drive through water over the road you can be fined in flood season. I think you get hammered for other fees if you must towed also.


pisgah said:
Another example -- travelling the Interstate, signs appear: "Left lane closed for construction, 1 mi. ahead", "3/4 mi. ahead", "1/2 mi. ahead", "1/4 mi. ahead", "1000 feet ahead". Finally, "500 feet ahead", and NOW the idiots start trying to move right...
I have story on this. Driving south for a vacation I see the signs as listed above. I keep working my way right as we approach the planned lane closure. Suddenly I can see the closure and I am the idiot trying to get over at the last second. The RIGHT lane was closing. Yup, every sign was wrong.
 
And then the people who didn't change lanes sit there at the point where the road is closed glaring at the people who did get over because they won't let them in.
 
Dan in MI said:
Does CA have the idiot motorist law like AZ? Basically it says if you drive through water over the road you can be fined in flood season. I think you get hammered for other fees if you must towed also.


pisgah said:
Another example -- travelling the Interstate, signs appear: "Left lane closed for construction, 1 mi. ahead", "3/4 mi. ahead", "1/2 mi. ahead", "1/4 mi. ahead", "1000 feet ahead". Finally, "500 feet ahead", and NOW the idiots start trying to move right...
I have story on this. Driving south for a vacation I see the signs as listed above. I keep working my way right as we approach the planned lane closure. Suddenly I can see the closure and I am the idiot trying to get over at the last second. The RIGHT lane was closing. Yup, every sign was wrong.

Ah, yes. One of those cases where, if I had a wreck, I would total up every penny of damages, real or imagined, hire a shark of a lawyer, and sue the pants off the highway department...
 
Idiots for sure. :D

WARNING . . . . War story . . . . Read at your own risk.

Back about 1961 I was working for a (?, back then it was the only) service
station in Carbondale CO. It had the best wrecker/tow-truck in the area
and some dolt came in and asked if we could tow his Nash Rambler
Station wagon off of Independence Pass (about 40 miles away). Berry said
"sure, but the mileage is $1 per mile, one way". The guy said fine.

We went up there, hooked up the car (keep in mind, this is (was?) a seven
percent grade, cut into the side of the mountain, that is posted VERY
CLEARLY as four wheel drive ONLY. The guy had started down the grade
and took out his power steering ram (the Rambler had that as an integral
part of the steering . . . read that as no power steering, no steering AT ALL!

We had to remove the front tires so we could raise and lower the front end
to clear rocks and such (about every twenty to fifty feet), until we got off
the pass.

Safely got it to Carbondale, parked it along side the building and Berry
wanted the guy to pay for the work, so far. The guy yelled and screamed
like you wouldn't believe. His main complaint was the mileage charge. :roll:

Berry turned a bit red, then calmly said "you have thirty seconds to have
my money on this counter, or I'll put your car back on the mountain."
He paid up and walked out. His car sat outside for almost a week.

Unfortunately, idiots are nothing new. :D
Just there's a lot more of them now. :roll:
 
A block from where I live, a woman T-boned a Muni light rail vehicle! She failed to yield to a streetcar fully 2/3 of a city block long and ran right into the side of the thing. Watched her do it.
She had a slightly confused expression on her face, sort of like a pigeon....

They're everywhere...
 
Rick Courtright said:
wolfsong said:
I'd hate to see their towing bill, too. The one thing tow truck operators hate worse than getting wet is getting muddy. Can't say that i blame ' em.

Hi,

Me, too!

At the wildlife area where we've shot ducks on occasion, there are a number of the levee roads that can get pretty goopy. And there are always guys who think because they've got 4wd and they're wearing the latest camo from the Cabela's catalog, they can go anywhere, ignoring the signs. One year it had been pretty wet, and the wardens had closed off a handful of those roads, but that didn't stop the idjits.

The lady who took care of signups and such was the sister of one of the wardens. She warned people: "If you get stuck, we'll call a tow truck for you. Their starting price is about $500 if you haven't gone beyond a 'Road Closed' sign. If you have gone beyond it, you'd better have about $1500 in your pocket!"

Rick C

I know that place Rick! It takes about a gallon of water dumped on the road down there to turn it into veritable vehicle eating monster. The tow companies down there must look forward to their Christmas bonus every year.
 
I usually stop when I encounter the 2nd "road closed" sign OR I actually SEE the justification of the closure. Cost me 6 miles a couple of weeks ago but about 50% of the time, the road isn't actually closed. MoDOT sets up signs in advance and then takes a coffee break before work starts.
Around here, they just post a sign the "Road May Flood" and drive marker stakes telling drivers how deep it is. What you do after that is your responsibility.
 
Central Texas is the flash flood capital of the US due to the topography.
Lots of the inevitable casualties are those who do not heed the "Turn Around - Don't Drown" warning signs.
Just a few inches of swift flowing water on the low water crossing is going to sweep their car or SUV away.
Suicide by ignorance is such a useless way to die.
 
Years ago we had a fuel tanker (10,000 gallon) flip over and catch fire on, what was then, one of the only roads into/out of town that did not require a 15 or 20 mile detour. The FD decided the best option was to close the (2 lane) road and just allow it to burn out. I lost track of the cars that tried to drive around the very large barricades, fully in view of 10,000 gallons of flaming petroleum products, and then tell me "it's the only way I know to get home". The result of that fire was an 8 foot deep 25 foot wide hole in the roadbed. Sad to say, but the driving public ain't much smarter today.
 
pisgah said:
Another example -- travelling the Interstate, signs appear: "Left lane closed for construction, 1 mi. ahead", "3/4 mi. ahead", "1/2 mi. ahead", "1/4 mi. ahead", "1000 feet ahead". Finally, "500 feet ahead", and NOW the idiots start trying to move right...

Don't you just love it when you heed the signs and get into the right lane like all the other drivers and you're sitting there stopped in that long line and some idiot from way back comes zipping by you in that left lane hoping to cut into that line of cars in the right lane? There is always some other idiot in that right lane that will let them cut in. That most definitely would not be me.
 
pisgah said:
Another example -- travelling the Interstate, signs appear: "Left lane closed for construction, 1 mi. ahead", "3/4 mi. ahead", "1/2 mi. ahead", "1/4 mi. ahead", "1000 feet ahead". Finally, "500 feet ahead", and NOW the idiots start trying to move right...

If there isn't much traffic, it's fine to merge over. However in traffic it's best to stay in your lane and drive to or close to the merge point before getting over. What gets me is people that don't understand that and refuse to let anyone merge. That is what merge points are for, so you don't have one lane of incredibly locked up traffic and 3/4 mile of unused lane.

ETA:
Studies have shown "zipper" merging, or staying in your lane up to the merge point and then merging one by one increases safety. States that actively promote it with signage also note decreased back ups and congestion at construction zones.
 
caryc said:
pisgah said:
Another example -- travelling the Interstate, signs appear: "Left lane closed for construction, 1 mi. ahead", "3/4 mi. ahead", "1/2 mi. ahead", "1/4 mi. ahead", "1000 feet ahead". Finally, "500 feet ahead", and NOW the idiots start trying to move right...

Don't you just love it when you heed the signs and get into the right lane like all the other drivers and you're sitting there stopped in that long line and some idiot from way back comes zipping by you in that left lane hoping to cut into that line of cars in the right lane? There is always some other idiot in that right lane that will let them cut in. That most definitely would not be me.

I'm with ya, man. It's about the only time I glue myself to the bumper in front of me and stay there.
 
ChiefMuzz said:
pisgah said:
Another example -- travelling the Interstate, signs appear: "Left lane closed for construction, 1 mi. ahead", "3/4 mi. ahead", "1/2 mi. ahead", "1/4 mi. ahead", "1000 feet ahead". Finally, "500 feet ahead", and NOW the idiots start trying to move right...

If there isn't much traffic, it's fine to merge over. However in traffic it's best to stay in your lane and drive to or close to the merge point before getting over. What gets me is people that don't understand that and refuse to let anyone merge. That is what merge points are for, so you don't have one lane of incredibly locked up traffic and 3/4 mile of unused lane.

ETA:
Studies have shown "zipper" merging, or staying in your lane up to the merge point and then merging one by one increases safety. States that actively promote it with signage also note decreased back ups and congestion at construction zones.

It will take a while (if ever) for people to see it that way, but MN has been trying to educate the public on the "zipper merge." It's been slow to catch on!

https://www.dot.state.mn.us/zippermerge/

I'll admit that they're encouraging you to be "that guy" that everybody loves to hate. Until the majority of people start to merge in this fashion, you're going to be making other motorists upset!
 
ChiefMuzz said:
pisgah said:
Another example -- travelling the Interstate, signs appear: "Left lane closed for construction, 1 mi. ahead", "3/4 mi. ahead", "1/2 mi. ahead", "1/4 mi. ahead", "1000 feet ahead". Finally, "500 feet ahead", and NOW the idiots start trying to move right...

If there isn't much traffic, it's fine to merge over. However in traffic it's best to stay in your lane and drive to or close to the merge point before getting over. What gets me is people that don't understand that and refuse to let anyone merge. That is what merge points are for, so you don't have one lane of incredibly locked up traffic and 3/4 mile of unused lane.

ETA:
Studies have shown "zipper" merging, or staying in your lane up to the merge point and then merging one by one increases safety. States that actively promote it with signage also note decreased back ups and congestion at construction zones.

Zipper Merge my butt! It really doesn't matter since only one vehicle at a time is going to get through. Wait your turn in line like the rest of us. 50 cars is still 50 cars whether they're in two lanes or one.
 
I have been where the zipper merge is used PROPERLY. It does work very well. The problem is no one does it.

The issue with the guy racing up the ending lane is that they will pass up an easy merge just short of the end to be a complete jerk and get three more cars further.
 
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