I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE SR9& SR9C

cruzerlou

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O.k. now i freely admit I'm not a fan of Ruger autos ,Revolvers YES both double and single action I.M.H.O. the best you can buy. Although I shot a 93.6 out of as possible 100 a week or so ago with a buddies P-95 .
That being said heres the question ,Right here on the first page theres a bunch of post about problems with these guns .I know that the [lets call them standard DA/SA ruger autos are built like tanks ] so some one tell me whats up with the new SR series of guns ? Did Ruger not do enough R&D on these guns or something else .I think a striker fired Ruger is a good move for ruger as this type of poylomer pistol is taking over a huge chunk of the market .Did the standard ruger autos have the same kind of theething problems of is it just the SR 9 guns ?
I just want to see these things stand up to the rep of the other ruger autos .Please explain this to me .
Thanks ,
Lou
 
Hi Lou, sounds like you have more of a comment than a question.
[This is a long post...short answer is in the last paragraph]

As to the SR9 and SR9c, while there's no denying the existence of posts about issues with the guns, none have been proven to be a result of poor engineering on Ruger's part. It's possible that I've missed some, but I think if there were an actual fault made by Ruger, there'd be a recall as there was with the trigger group.

The trigger group issue really wasn't with a failure of safe or reliable operation per se, but that there was a possibility of a gun firing if it was dropped and the manual safety wasn't engaged. If you look at the earliest revolvers (that had the firing pin on the hammer) they'd do the same thing, but there wasn't a recall on those until lawyers came along and started blaming the manufacturer instead of blaming the guy that dropped his loaded gun. I wish they'd train more people how not to drop a gun instead. I mean, we learned this with eggs and cellphones...they don't work well when accidentally dropped. But since broken eggs and cellphones don't kill people, I can see why we'd want more protection against the negligent dropping of a firearm. I don't call it an accidental drop, because that would infer that it couldn't be helped. There's lots of ways to not drop a gun, starting with "don't pick it up". I've never dropped a loaded gun, and I actually don't know anyone that has...and I've been a police officer...and chased subjects with my gun in my hand (finger off trigger).

As for the other so called "issues" with the SR9 and SR9c, (again maybe I missed one) it usually turns out that the fault is due to an issue beyond the manufactures control. Such as, excessive dry firing. The guns are designed to be fired with functioning cartridges. My screwdriver works poorly without a screw in front of it. Twisting an unloaded screwdriver all day isn't going to turn me into a carpenter. I know there's value to dry firing, but not just for the fun of it. Other complaints have been due to poor quality ammo, or owner modifications. The number one complaint is the trigger pull. The fact that some of us want a lighter trigger pull doesn't mean it's a flaw by Ruger. Ruger didn't design the SR9 and SR9c for the handful of us that want a 2lb trigger at a bargain price. They designed it to be a safe and reliable firearm that would be attractive to government agencies (local, state and federal). When gov agencies put their stamp on something, it results in pretty large orders. When companies like STI creates a magical firearm that has a 2lb or lighter trigger, they find it difficult to get agencies to purchase or approve what the antis have labeled as a "hair trigger". That's a large part of why an STI is 4 to 10 times more expensive than a Ruger. I mean, if each manufacturer puts in the same amount of R&D, it's the projected sales that dictate the price needed to recover. I bet the average gun store sells more than 10 Rugers for every 1 STI customer.

My wife and I shoot 500 to 1000 rounds EACH and EVERY week though our SR9s, and the only problem we've experienced was cheap quality factory ammo failing to eject. We only use factory ammo when we run out of our quality checked reloads. By quality checked, I mean every cartridge is checked for primer depth, and visually inspected for powder, then visually and hand checked for bullet seating; every 10th cartridge has it's powder weighed, and then every 11th cartridge is checked for overall length with a digital caliper. Maybe we can only make 200 cartridges per hour instead of 500, but we know that the ammo will function as safely and reliably as our SR9s do.

The short answer is, Ruger makes a perfectly safe and reliable striker fired pistol that requires quality ammo instead of cheap ammo or air, and has a trigger pull that lessens the chance of someone (a LEO or a civilian) from being subject to a claim that "They didn't intend to shoot the meth addict running at them with a knife. Their adrenaline caused them to flinch and fire the hair trigger, and that's why their family deserves a million dollars compensation"
 
inus, your post is one of the most sensible and intelligent replies I have ever read on this board. Thank you and please post again!
 
Lou there were teething problems with the P series pistols too. The P85 was recalled for safety issues resulting in the P85 MKII. There was initially a problem with the P97 slide stops coming out while firing the gun. Ruger changed their slide stop design & corrected it pretty quickly. The P345 had issues due to the magazine safety that they never did change. They just put a warning in the manual not to dry fire the gun.

My Ruger is an old P944 I bought back in 2000. I didn't really even do any research & I wasn't really worried about its size because I wasn't carrying back then. I just had tax return money in my pocket & wanted a handgun. I went to the gunshow & figured Ruger was a good brand name so it ought to be all right. It has been a good gun. I got lucky.

As far as the SR series I think they are about done with their initial teething problems. I haven't seen anyone post about barrel peening issues in a good while. I believe most of the problems we see now are due to folks trying to do home gunsmithing to lighten the trigger or operator error. That is not to say Ruger does not have something messed up slip through from time to time. I believe they, like all manufacturers do, but as long as they will take care of you after the purchase I am okay with that. If my work situation ever gets straightened out I may wind up buying a SR gun. I am interested in the as yet unreleased SR 40 but it may be a while before I am in a position to buy.

Edited to add: I do not own an SR series gun but I have been watching the semiauto subforum here pretty closely since I joined this forum. There are definitely less problem threads now that there were a couple of years ago.
 
The only problem I've had with my SR9 is it had a few FTF. I had only 400 rounds through it, so I polished the feed ramp to hurry up the process. I went to the range this past weekend, shot another 100 rounds without an issue. Besides that, I haven't had any other problems with the gun, and I'm very happy with it. Shoots good, light weight, just an over all good design.
 
Thanks guys ,makes alot more sence to me now and +1Casual
said .And inuswetrust I';m a Deputy Shreiff too and we carry glock G-22's and one of the reasons is there really a safe action pistol .My Sheriff is a cool guy and as the issue guns are all Gen 3 guns and don't fit my hand ,Ihave really wide hands and short fingers ,He let me buy my own Gen 4 G-22 provided that all idid to the gun was install a set of TRU0GLO-TFO nite sites on it .He'll let the other guys do this too with there issue guns but he gets to keep the sights if they leave .Don'y know if you know but I'm on injured reserve right now due to a broken ankle that happend on my own time but he's holding my job for me even though were short handed and it will de about a year before I'm back up to speed ,.can't ask for more than that he's a great guy .
Lou
 
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Lou, hope you get better soon, so you can keep the peace.
One of the reasons I picked the SR9 was because my wife has petite lady hands, and the SR9 is absolutely the thinnest double stack pistol I've held.

Casual, thanks for the kind words.

- chip
 
3,618 rounds through my SR9 (purchased Sept. 2010, test fired date July 2010). 7 stoppages total.

First outing. 6 stoppages in the first 100 rounds. Mostly failures to extract and double feeds. Remington UMC 250 round Value Pack (yellow box).

This past week. 1 stoppage. A failure to extract with a reload Rainier 115 gr. FMJ . 6.3 gr Power Pistol, S&B brass, CCI small pistol primer. I think I limp wristed this one. I've shot over a thousand of these reloads without issue.

In the interim, I've run the pistol through 3 pistol training classes without any stoppages.

My SR is a fairly boring gun.
 
Inuswetrust, good post. It's great that you got 2 good SR9 out of the box and you shoot the snot out of them. Others weren't so lucky and I respectfully disagree that the problems were all operator error. There were enough barrel hood peening threads and photos for a while that this was a definite problem. How widespread? No way to know, the internet magnifies good and bad disproportionately, but there was a problem with manufacturing. Ruger fixed the guns with new barrels (and/or slides I think). Some still peened again. This issue faded away as Ruger got things sorted out but I bet there's a lot of little used SR9s in safes that will have this show up if they'd be shot some.

About the trigger, is it too much to ask for a striker fired pistol to not have a 9 lb + trigger pull? I had 2 SR9s that I bought in spring 09, the one that I shot was terrible, stiff and stacky and gritty. After a little fluff & buff per some good instructions here it got a little better. I got access to a Lyman digital trigger gauge, the buffed SR9 pulled from 8-10 lbs if I remember and the unshot SR9 took the scale over the top past 12 lbs. I haven't shot the new D mag release models, they're supposed to be better. By comparison, every Glock (5 or 6) that I've had a chance to measure the trigger pull is within ounces of the advertised 5.5 lb pull. I don't recall anyone here wanting a 2 lb pull, but a reasonable pull can't be too much to ask for can it? Do you consider 5.5 lbs a hair trigger?

You mentioned gov. agencies adopting the SR series as duty weapons..have any done so yet? You'd think if any had it would be shouted from the Rugerforum rooftop. If you know of any please share with us, we'd be delighted to know.

Glad to have you here, interesting perspective on the SR9s. What kind of shooting do you do to put that many downrange weekly? Jealous.

:wink:
 
Well I was sort of thinkin I;d like to have anothet full sized 9 MM cause al I got now are 2 Walther First Edetion[2 out of the first 999 made ] PPS single stak 9 MM's one for my wife as her primary carry gun and one for my backup gun .I was gonna get a Gen4 Glock 27 but thats a thick little beast and this little 9 rides in my ankle holster all day long and you never even feel it ,but like I said I want a fullsized 9 just cause there so much forr to shoot and most of them are accurare enough to do some seruos plinkin with .
Lou
 
Tell you what Lou, if you put a P95 and an SR9 on the table and told me to pick one I'd grab that P95 so fast it's shadow would still be there and I'd be loading that P95.

You shot a P95 and sounds like you shot it well. Try to get ahold of an SR9 and shoot the same course and see how you do. Just for fun try some precision shooting at 10 yards with both and see how you do. When you say serious plinking to me that means hitting cans at 20 yards and stuff like that. I bet the P95 is way better at that. A while back I rented a P95, dry fired it once, loaded it and shot an honest 5 shot 1" group at 10 yards. First time I ever held one in my dirty little hands. Mike J was there and saw it. Rented the SR9 that same evening and couldn't come close. He shot both and liked the P95 better too. Nice used ones are inexpensive too. Can't go wrong.

Now if you're talking other brands as well, and you aren't stuck on a Glock....Revhigh or Cheezwhiz will tell you the only one to get. It has 2 letters. :wink: You'll shoot the nads off a gnat with one. Your Kimber would fall in love with it. :oops:

Lots of people really like their SR9s but if you're determined to buy a Ruger give the P95 a chance too.
 
800 rounds thru an SR9c and not one FTF etc...read many complaints, but on almost every complaint post 10 come and say NO complaints. I would buy either one without hesitation.
 
Yea I did WAY better than I thought I was going to because of the DA/SA/ trigger ..I still feel it's too thick for my hand but my score tells me otherwize but it shot really well and was easy to hit with .I guess since I sold my Beretta 92FS about 4-5 years ago and have since then been shooting glocks and my Kimber that thay LONG first trigger pull just feels so strange but the numbers speak for them selves .AsGlocks go I got really lucky with mine the trigger is very smooth and breaks nice and feels lighter than 5 1/2 pounds which is what the factory trigger is but I've never mesured mine but I'm sure it's close to that ,the thing about it is that it is constiant like my 1911 NOT nearly as light , smooth ,or clean breaking but always the same from shot to shot .I shoot the 1911 better but I think most that shot both guns do too .When I do get another fullsized 9 MM it's gonna be a P-95 or a CZ-75 if I can find one if I know I can get a CZ-75B but why buy a gun I don't want I want the real deal but there hard to come by theres plenty of used p-95's out there .What it boils down to is this what I find when I've got the money ,those two stars must be in alinement no matter which gun it is .
Lou
P.S. if y'all read the post and from what you both said you did ,I tried to get the p-95 but no dice he's gonna keep her a while this time ---but it's still right here in this room with me now and he's been by here 2 or3 times since I shot her maybe he forgot about her I'll babysit her for as long as I need to LOL
 
Lou, FYI, there's really no practical shooting difference between a CZ75 and a CZ75B ... just the firing pin block and some minor cosmetic stuff. Kinda like the difference between a Series 70 and Series 80 1911 ... are they different ??? Yeah ... Would you notice it in the real world ? Nah ...

You really should try to shoot a CZ75(B). Find a buddy who has one, or try to rent one, but you really should hold one and shoot one if you can. That would make up your mind in about 30 seconds. :D

Ask AIA ....

REV
 
ArmedinAZ said:
I had 2 SR9s that I bought in spring 09, the one that I shot was terrible, stiff and stacky and gritty. After a little fluff & buff per some good instructions here it got a little better. I got access to a Lyman digital trigger gauge, the buffed SR9 pulled from 8-10 lbs if I remember and the unshot SR9 took the scale over the top past 12 lbs.

I didn't know you had TWO of those things .... :D

REV
 
revhigh said:
I didn't know you had TWO of those things .... :D

REV

:oops:

Yeah. First I ever admitted it in public. I REALLY wanted a green one...traded it unshot for an AK47...traded that for a 19C...still have it.

Sold the stainless one for $300 if you remember..best I could get.

Sorry to derail your thread Lou..... listen to Rev :wink:
 
If I was inclined to buy a full sized SR9 I would definitely make sure it had the D shaped magazine release. Armed is right about the early models there were a lot of barrel peening issues.

It is kind of interesting when they first released them I looked at one in a shop & dry fired it. The trigger didn't feel bad. Then they did the recall. The SR9 Armed & I shot had the post recall trigger. The gun didn't really feel bad other than the trigger felt really heavy. Of course the sights on the one we shot were all raised up. It was shooting about a foot high. I would be interested in shooting one of the newer ones to see how much better the trigger might be. I don't really want a full sized one though.
 
Mike J said:
The SR9 Armed & I shot had the post recall trigger. The gun didn't really feel bad other than the trigger felt really heavy. Of course the sights on the one we shot were all raised up. It was shooting about a foot high. I would be interested in shooting one of the newer ones to see how much better the trigger might be. I don't really want a full sized one though.

Mike, you and Armed and Rev need to shoot one of the newer SR guns, pretty nice as is. I have shot four of them (3 SR9c and an SR9) and they all shot very well. I will buy an SR9c at some point, I like them over my CZ RAMI by quite a bit.
 
The RAMI has a bit of a staged trigger, like the LCP. The SR9c is much more like a slightly lighter than Glock trigger and pretty short in pull. I'm not kidding.
 
I am really kinda wanting a SR40c when they come out Cheese. It may be a while before I'm able to do anything about it though.
 
Note...I have no experience with the 330 (original) SR9, so I can't speak to the peening issues (which are obviously a real flaw) or the trigger.
As to the 331 series, I loved the trigger out of the box....just smoothed it a bit with Galloway/Ghost parts.
As to "is 5lbs a hair trigger", hell, I don't think there's such a thing as a hair trigger on a safe gun. By safe, I mean, the operator doesn't put his finger in the trigger area until he's on target and ready to destroy something.

I've had a P89, and the reason I suggested that Lou try the SR9 is because he indicated having a small hand. The best gun for anyone is the one that fits them well, and they can shoot safely, consistently, accurately, and THEN quickly. The SR9 isn't a fit all hands gun, anymore than a 1911 or a P series gun are. My only real recommendation on buying a handgun, is to try as many as you can. Pick the one that feels good in YOUR hand.
 
I have a first run SR9, the oldest of the old. It went in for the trigger safety recall, I didn't care for the trigger all that much before that, the break was all over the place. It came back from Ruger with the new trigger and that trigger became a constant and I shoot that gun pretty well. The newer SR's with the "D" shaped mag release have a very nice trigger, quite a bit better than my SR9.
 
revhigh said:
ArmedinAZ said:
Cheesewhiz said:
I will buy an SR9c at some point, I like them over my CZ RAMI by quite a bit.

:shock:

Never was much of a fan of the RAMI's either ....

REV

revhigh,

Sorry for the highjack, but seeing as tomorrow is the anniversary of D-Day, I was curious if the quote you have from Gen Patton is real? I thought it was just in the movie.

If true, it was spoken 67 years ago today. Know where he said it by any chance?

Many thanks.

And eternal thanks to the men of D-Day.
 
I forget where I read it, but I liked it, and supposedly he said it on that day ... not sure where ... I'd just google the whole phrase, and I bet you can find out a lot about it.

REV
 
Have you been following all the problems that Glock has been having? Everyone of their models have issues : these reports are coming from Glock diehards on a glock board.
 
I'm hearing Taurus is having a lot of problems, too. Personally know of 4 cases right now. Wonder if, when the rush to buy pistols over the last few years started, the manufacturers started building guns fast- maybe too fast. Their quality control is now suffering tryoing to keep up.
 
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