I am disgusted

About those copies of Ridgid pipe wrenchs that were made so good.... I wonder how many Chinese workers were maimed or killed in the manufacture of them? I read a few years ago that china is still relying a lot on coal to run their factories and it averages 12 men a day die in the coal mines there. Started in Korea.... 2nd Marine Div. easily headed north.... got to the Choson before they discovered China had been sneaking men in.... took 10 days to run us south but they did it... they only lost by the latest estimate 52,000 men doing that... that's dead not wounded.
I'm well aware of Chinese labor practices/working conditions as well as those of the company I worked for. I just thought it was funny that dealing with the Chinese came back to bite them in the arse. no need to jump ugly with me.
 
I was a foreman in a company that imported cheap tools and saw blades to sell to Kresge, Kmart and the like big stores in the 1970s. The owners took a Rigid pipe wrench to China and asked them if they could make an identical pipe wrench the quality of the Rigid and at what price. The Chinese made an exact copy of the Rigid, hardened jaw included at a price so low the owners ordered overseas containers of them six inch to four feet long. Container trucks kept coming for a year. We had our warehouse stacked to the ceiling with these until Rigid sued them for a copyright infringement. The ground off "dogleg" near the jaws are a patented trademark of Rigid. After a lot of haggling Rigid allowed us to continue selling the ones we already had but the Chinese were given a cut of every one sold. Whatever deal they made, we still made money They were very good wrenches.
The Chinese are notorious cheaters and where they cheat on tools is metallurgy. I worked in the oilfield 15 years and we used lots of Ridgid pipe wrenches and didn't buy any other brand. You could put a 3 foot pipe over the handle and stand on it, even jump up and down, they never broke. Some handles bent a little under such extreme conditions. The replaceable jaws took years to wear down. They had precisely the right steel. I really doubt Chinesium wrenches would stand up to that kind of abuse.
 
"Around the World".... sideways way of saying "Made in China".
When I get back home, I'm on vacation right now, I need to look at some of the items I retrieved from my father's shop. Some of you guys might be interested in them....

Kevin, you and others should be ashamed to post pictures like that.... how long did it take to clean up and get all those tools straight?
(If you saw my shop, y'all would just shake your heads)
Nope, not my picture, you can blame @eveled for that dust free work bench. 😃

I was looking at hammers because on YouTube every now and then I see these custom made hammers. Some are these brightly colored framing hammers. You order one and select different heads, handles, etc.

One year I bought my wife a hammer for her birthday. We still have it. 😃

Sorry for the thread drift. Eastwing hammers are nice AND they are made in the USA.
 
I dislike China in general, they are our enemy.

I like Starrett tools, I used them a lot as a machinist and they work well. They are terribly overpriced though. I have used many different brands and they all work just as well. The Polish 0 to 6" Mic set I paid $60 for 30 years ago still calibrate and measure properly, just as good as Starrett.

If you have skill, the tool brand doesn't make a lot of difference. Lots of people like to brag about their things. I liked to brag about making good parts instead.

It's your money...
 
About 25yrs ago I was working on a house installing wiring for a sound system. I was under the house crawling under the floor when I slammed my knee into something sharp. After getting past the pain, I dug up an Estwing framing hammer that looked like it had been there for 20yrs. It was heavily rusted, but the handle was still perfect. After 30min on the wire wheel of my bench grinder, I had a wonderful, but rough looking hammer.
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That’s terrible

Do they possibly have two different gauges? I know you said the same model number.

But some companies have the same item, one made in Europe or USA, more expensive, and the other… same model, cheaper, made in China. I see that, not a lot but fairly regularly.
I like to call it CHINA DEPOT
 
I'm well aware of Chinese labor practices/working conditions as well as those of the company I worked for. I just thought it was funny that dealing with the Chinese came back to bite them in the arse. no need to jump ugly with me.
Stonebuster.... I was in no way jumping on you... your story was interesting and just another part of our countries industrial decline. We are all addicted to sucking on the Chinese tit.... and I for sure don't know how to fix it.
 
I swear companies would sell their grandmothers to save a dollar.

The other day I noticed the Home Depot doesn’t have Eastwing hammers. At least the Home Depot here in town didn’t. All their hammers are made in China.
The only Chinese product I would my is an SKS. Look at where almost all of the guitars are made now. Same story.
 
None of my Starrett tools are Made in China, I buy them used at pawn shops.
Nowadays no brand name is safe from the Globalists. Any time a company gets bought out it's extremely likely that the Globalists are the new owners.
Suppose you were the elderly founder of a US made product. The Globalists target you by producing a chinesium copy of your product and selling it for 1/8 of your MSRP. When that sinks in, they come in and offer to buy your company and name for a song. When you refuse, they mark down their chinesium copy to 1/20 of your MSRP, selling it at a loss because they have wonderful credit with their banking friends.
Now you're operating in the red and you MUST sell out. You don't want to sell your name, but half of their offer is for the name so you sell your name for them to disgrace.
Lather, rinse and repeat. Now almost every company in the US is owned by Globalists and their bankster buddies.
Interesting
 
As far as Chinese manufacturing, I don't like us being that dependent on another nation for everything. Sadly, about all there is available now is stuff made in China. I get what I believe will work best for what I'm doing that is available.
I have a few Estwing hammers. I honestly prefer a wood or fiberglass hammer handle. The hammers with the metal that goes all the way through the handle transmit more vibration (force) to the user. It isn't a big deal if you're just driving a few nails or using it occasionally, but if you are using a hammer to knock duct together all day long you can tell a difference in how your arm feels at the end of the day. These days most people just use nail guns or screws for about everything anyway.
Our politicians sold us down the road & there really isn't anything I can do about it.
 
The mahogany box is a Mitutoyo basic machinists tool set with an upgraded 1" micrometer. It was a gift to my son from one of the smartest men and the best tool and die maker I ever knew. He learned his trade in the US Navy and retired as a Chief Machinery Repairman.
The gray plastic box and dial indicator is my lineup set for blowers and pumps. It contains tools from several different makers. The dial caliper is Mitutoyo, the smaller square with level vials is a Starrett #134 cross test level, the larger sliding square is a PEC, the dial indicator is a Federal with a .100" sweep on the dial, the magnetic base is a Sears Craftsman and there is also a Starrett #270 taper gauge in the set.
All of these tools are top quality and very functional. I have always tried to use good tools to do the job. They may cost more but in the long run they hold up better and you get good service from them as long as you don't lose them or they get stolen.
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My father was a machinist for about 40 years and for the last 20 or so at a giant fertilizer plant just south of Augusta GA. Sometime in the 80's or maybe 90's some person in administration decided the guys in the machine shop should not be using their personal tools and the company was going to replace them. My father gave them a list of what he needed and they decided it was just fine for them to keep using their own personal tools. I'm pretty sure when he retired he only brought home some extras he had... he gave his tools to the guys still working there. That's the kind of man he was... but I do have a few calipers and such laying around and when I get home from this latest adventure I'll try to gather them up and offer them here. But they won't be anything like you guys are posting....
 
Good point. No reason they can’t make quality tools.

We get crap from them, because the companies that moved manufacturing to China request the cheapest possible product.

China also has a reputation of trying to slip things by. They will use lead paint when they say they don’t. Use mislabeled steal, etc.

The Starret tools made there may be very high quality if Starret demands that, but they need to do rigorous quality inspections.

Trouble is China is our enemy we shouldn’t be sending them our money to use against us. IMHO.
I'm afraid that someday the chickens will come to roost. The seeds WE planted will have made it possible.
 
We would have done well to leave China closed.
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