GUn shows & flea markets

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Not to hijack the thread about why we go to gun shows,,, I wanted to discuss another topic. Flea markets, and even yard sales.

Flea markets, at least the ones I find around here, USED to be swap meets, where the vendors were folks who cleaned out their garage, or closing out an estate, or storage shed etc, to sell unwanted items by them, to folks who may want or use the items. Prices were cheap, and reflected the fact they were not there as a business,,, but instead just trying to sell stuff they know has value & not just dumping it in the trash.
Gun shows used to similar,,, in that the vendors were guys that liked to swap & sell guns they no longer wanted or needed. Or the casual guy who had stuff accumulated he no longer needed, & wanted to move it to be able to buy his newest desires.

Along came the businesses.

Full time dealers. Folks who found they could make a living by selling stuff at gun shows & flea markets. They buy cheap stuff,,,,, often from China,,,, & sell it to the public. They rent "permanent" booths at the flea market, because they have an extremely low overhead expense. They don't own the building & the space rent is CHEAP compared to an actual shop in a strip mall etc.

And since a flea market doesn't have a theme, (like a gun show) they sell just about everything. Locally, the flea markets, have become so full of junk vendors,,, and attended by the lower income people, to the point of being worthless to attend. It used to be free to park,, and now,,, paid parking. And, there have been a steady rash of thefts at these markets,,, usually by illegal invaders, according to my LEO son, who make attending this place undesirable.

And yard sales,,, they are becoming commercial too. There are a few places locally, who,, every season, these folks post a yard sale sign, yet, they have their garage set up to sell a lot of the same junk found at the flea markets. Every weekend.

I think that I, as well as many of us here wish we could find a gun show and flea market of the olden days. Where the tables were full of honest deals, offered by the occasional seller, (not a dealer,) in a venue where parking is free, and admission, (if one is charged,) is very nominal. Where you could enjoy seeing the items you appreciate, w/o some know-it-all trying to blow smoke about what he thinks he knows that you don't.

Sigh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I do wish I could turn back the clock.
 
Years ago swap meets were just as you said , people selling their personal stuff and firearms were allowed.
Now guns are not allowed and just about every spot is full of crap from Mexico and all you hear is meriachi music.
I haven't gone to the swap meet in years and have no intention to go in the future. Not in Tucson anyway.
 
Contender, I know my dad who lives in Arizona, often sees and buys some good guns at garage sales. For example, a new 303 British for around $250. (If that, as he is a cheap skate)

Personally, though, I've not seen any guns at garage sales of flea markets. In fact, I've almost given up on them because people lately seem to think the junk they have for sale is go!den.

And, like you say, there is a trailer house on my way to the gun range. They have had a continuous garage sale for almost a year now. Not sure how they get away with it...
 
Than there are the type of people who I have had dealings with. They steal stuff thru out neighborhoods and sell it at their yard sale. People who dumpster dive the goodwill stations and sell that at garage sales. Near my vacation home at the coast, some there spend weekends in the metro Portland area going to garage sales and buy anything they think they can sell. Take it home and sell it at their sale. We also got radio calls thru out summer about someone having a sale and a visitor stole their money box. My wife likes to stop at many looking for a good deal. If I go I stay in the car.
 
I do like thrift stores. We donate stuff to one thrift store which supports women in need of help. Right next door is an "antique store." I've watched dealers from the antique store shop at the thrift store and take the items back to their booths in the antique mall.

What a joke.
 
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pete44ru said:
Kevin said:
I've almost given up on them because people lately seem to think the junk they have for sale is go!den.






PBS's "Antique Roadshow" has ruined everybody's sense of value............ :roll:


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And firearms prices are greatly increased not because of the actual value of the firearm, but by the advent of gun auctions. When on bought from a private party, small gun shop or even pawn shops the prices reflected the actual value. The advent of auctions pushed the prices up and now everyone of the previous methods of buying have followed suit.
 
It's not all due to "Along came the businesses"...
A lot of the changes us old timers have seen have a lot do with one's local government/laws/tax regulations, etc.
A case in point is right here in Texas. By law, if you set up at a gun show, flea market, automotive swap meet, hold more than one yard sale a year, or participate in any sort of "trade show" as a seller, the State Comptroller requires that you collect and send in sales taxes...and yep, they do have field agents whom are assigned to enforce compliance, and work on weekends to do it.
The result of that is that vendors only have two choices...they can apply for a sales tax permit which BTW, also requires a DBA and if you're "engaged in the business of selling firearms", an FFL...plus, file an additional income tax on their "new business" either quarterly or annually...or if they don't want to do all of that, simply ignore the law(s) and eventually get caught.
That in a nut shell is why the days of private individuals renting a gun show table to trade/sell their private property are all but over...or leastways, all but over here in Texas.
Plus, people in general are much more afraid than they were a few years ago, so they're not as apt to sell a gun to someone whom they don't know anyhow...so then there's that.

All in all, I just view it as the passing of another era...another of many.

DGW
 
The Internet allows people to research value and selling prices more easily. Craigslist is a high tech version of the local classified for sale ad, lets people reach a much wider market.
I do all my shopping at thrifts now, you find quality items at a deep discount.
 
TV shows with "experts", authorizing FFL's to sell away from their licensed address, online auction sites; all of which opened the market to essentially world-wide........have led to today's situation. I yearn for the "Gun List" of the mid to late eighties. Today it is a shadow of it's former self. While I continue to attempt defiance of the calendar, I do have great memories of the Old Days, with lots of "good deals", and many treasures put away for the next custodians............
 
"I haven't gone to the swap meet in years and have no intention to go in the future. Not in Tucson anyway."

I hit the Tanque Verde Swap meet a couple times a month as there is a nice couple who sell used DVDs at a reasonable price. I won't tough the Tohono O'Dhom swap meet with a ten foot pole though and I can walk to that one in 5 minutes. (Not in this heat though) You are right though, most of the stuff for sale is crap. I do the movie thing because that way none of MY money goes to enrich the Hollyweird liberals. Neither swap meet allows firearms dammit. Movie are $2.00 for regular and $5.00 for Blu-Ray. Cheapest I see at walmart is the $3.79 and $5.00 bins for regular DVDs. I have on rare occassion found deals on reloading stuff at the TV swap meet but they're quite rare these days. I haven't seen any gun or reloading stuff at the yard sales I've looked at. :(
Paul B.
 
I used to frequent my local pawn shop, bought quite a few guns and a classic Lee press. Alas, they went out of business. They got tired of the bureaucracy!
gramps
 
A decade ago the monthly flea market was THE place to buy guns of all sorts plus ammo and hunting equipment. I knew guys who went every month with a car load of guns and stuff and traded back and forth all weekend. Sometimes they even swapped back for a gun they'd started the weekend with.
THEN ATF showed up and made life miserable for a few of the more "enterprising" individuals. Now, there are a few junk guns and some better ones but even the junkers are priced at double their actual value.
There are a few vendors selling good tools at a big discount and some specialty vendors selling stuff you can't find elsewhere so we make the pilgrimage once a year to stock up on those items and replace wrenches we've sowed over the past year.
 
Same around here. Don't go to them anymore, except for the occasional old style yard sale. But about the only thing they usually have is old clothes, and I already have a closet full of those. :roll:
 
I've found a lot of great deals at Salvation Army, Goodwill, Restore Store and Ebay. Used stuff is the way to go.

I stay away from large flea markets with carnival-type atmospheres.
 
I see it's not just me or my area. Flea markets used to be good,,, but they have followed the path of gun shows. There will be the odd & occasional good seller with goods you enjoy,,, but overall,,, nothing like it used to be.

We too shop at Goodwill & other thrift stores. BUT,,, we have also noticed a few things at Goodwill lately that disturb us. First,, they ask if you want to "round up" your purchase to "help" them. We used to do it,,, until we found out what the salary was for the CEO & how money is handled. (Look it up.) Next,,, they are now buying up a lot of new products, and selling them in Goodwill. Some is clearance items from other stores, & some of it is just plain new items, with Goodwill being the vendor. (One locally has a whole section of new, cosmetic jewelry.)
We are also seeing the cost of the goods rise by a large percentage. Shirts used to be $1.00 to $2.00, and are now $4. Pants were $3 & now $6 & $7. Blouses,,, $2 & $3,, now $4 & $5. That is in less than 2 years here. On average, the clothes have doubled in just 2 years. And other items,, I see them priced the same, or higher as new items.

You have to shop carefully,,,,,,,,,,,,,!

But we still enjoy finding good yard sales & places where REAL folks are selling off stuff they no longer need, or house cleaning, or estate clearance items etc.
 
Good info above, and typical of how a lot "used to be" but I have found that at least here, ,, the one big flea market in Hartville,Ohio, far TOO many "stolen" guns turn up there and are passed through there, my friends house was robbed years ago and at least 6 of his guns turned up there.....some came to other local gun shows that also in turn were picked up at this flea market..........sad situation, caveat emptor baby........
 
Things aren't quite so bleak around here. Salvation Army, Goodwill, flea markets, and yard sales are all places I frequent. At Sunday's flea market I found a Spyderco Delica in a box of $3 Chinese and Pakistani pocket knives. :) Also paid $2 for a pitchfork head for my collection, $5 for a fencing foil with a fancy handle, and a WWII-era ammo can full of square nails for $10. Last month a dealer sold me 6 boxes of Hornady .300 WSM for $100. Most of my clothes come from the thrift shops, and yes, prices have gone up, but so have new clothes prices. Still a bargain to pay $4 for a like-new brand-name shirt (Van Heusen, Roundtree & York, Christian Dior) in the exact size I need. A nice old single-shot .410 I found at a yard sale went to my great-niece. A hammered dulcimer I bought for $50 at a garage sale netted me $400 from a local musical family. There's one place that has repeat sales, but they're associated with a low-bid moving company, and end up with a lot of junk to sort through.

Sorry you all aren't having as much fun as I am.
 
I don't give to Goodwill anymore since I read about them and their business practices. If you want good condition, inexpensive clothes, check out your local St Vincent DePaul thrift shop. Their workers are truly volunteers and they don't try to get every last penny they can from donated items. Salvation Army stores also seem to be pretty good.
 
Contender, I know my dad who lives in Arizona, often sees and buys some good guns at garage sales. For example, a new 303 British for around $250. (If that, as he is a cheap skate)

Personally, though, I've not seen any guns at garage sales of flea markets. In fact, I've almost given up on them because people lately seem to think the junk they have for sale is go!den.
At garage sales, the secret to finding bargains is to .....ask ! You'd be surprised how many firearm related items I've found and bought just by asking.
 
In the original OP, Contender talks about flea markets and garage sales. He didn't mention Estate Sales. I don't go to any flea markets or garage sales at all...Zero. But I will stop at an Estate Sale if it's convenient. They are really big business around DFW. But, almost 100% of them are handled by companies. Because of this, the prices are not decent. You will not find a steal of a deal. No hidden Picasso etc.

Funny story. I was at an Estate Sale with my dad, and he wanted to buy a bottle of whiskey. They had a table of bottles set up. They jokingly asked my dad for his ID. He told them he would show his ID if they showed him their liquor license. :) Pretty much stopped all conversation....
 
I don't go to estate sales, rarely go to thrift stores and I have been (not this year) a vendor in many gun shows. I agree that they are not what they used to be. I would love to go back and find people with tables of parts, barrels, stocks, etc in various conditions. Not necessarily because of the prices, just because it was more fun.
Interesting this came up because I have not been doing shows this year (they are a lot of work for vendors) but I'm looking at one next month, and I have to do one for another group at some point because I paid for one and was not able to go, and I can't get a refund (which ticks me off).
 
Not to hijack the thread about why we go to gun shows,,, I wanted to discuss another topic. Flea markets, and even yard sales.

Flea markets, at least the ones I find around here, USED to be swap meets, where the vendors were folks who cleaned out their garage, or closing out an estate, or storage shed etc, to sell unwanted items by them, to folks who may want or use the items. Prices were cheap, and reflected the fact they were not there as a business,,, but instead just trying to sell stuff they know has value & not just dumping it in the trash.
Gun shows used to similar,,, in that the vendors were guys that liked to swap & sell guns they no longer wanted or needed. Or the casual guy who had stuff accumulated he no longer needed, & wanted to move it to be able to buy his newest desires.

Along came the businesses.

Full time dealers. Folks who found they could make a living by selling stuff at gun shows & flea markets. They buy cheap stuff,,,,, often from China,,,, & sell it to the public. They rent "permanent" booths at the flea market, because they have an extremely low overhead expense. They don't own the building & the space rent is CHEAP compared to an actual shop in a strip mall etc.

And since a flea market doesn't have a theme, (like a gun show) they sell just about everything. Locally, the flea markets, have become so full of junk vendors,,, and attended by the lower income people, to the point of being worthless to attend. It used to be free to park,, and now,,, paid parking. And, there have been a steady rash of thefts at these markets,,, usually by illegal invaders, according to my LEO son, who make attending this place undesirable.

And yard sales,,, they are becoming commercial too. There are a few places locally, who,, every season, these folks post a yard sale sign, yet, they have their garage set up to sell a lot of the same junk found at the flea markets. Every weekend.

I think that I, as well as many of us here wish we could find a gun show and flea market of the olden days. Where the tables were full of honest deals, offered by the occasional seller, (not a dealer,) in a venue where parking is free, and admission, (if one is charged,) is very nominal. Where you could enjoy seeing the items you appreciate, w/o some know-it-all trying to blow smoke about what he thinks he knows that you don't.

Sigh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I do wish I could turn back the clock.
As you said. WHat used to be fun places to find bargains are now portable- stores selling new junk at full retail. Especially those held in schools and similar buildings. We still have two workable flea markets during weekends in the summer. Huge outdoor markets, one in a stadium parking lot, the other at a closed drive-in movie place. Yes, the pop-up stores are there, but the markets are so huge that there are still plenty of used/ swap/ whatever tables as well.
 
swap meets arent swap meets unless you swap something for something. no money is involved. at least it use to be that way. i think people use the term wrong, to advertise a tag sale or garage sale.. etc.
 
The reason I don't go to either Yard Sales for Flea Markets is I feel I need to buy something to justify the time I invested in going. That is the real key to internet sales; guns or anything.... much less time spent just traveling and then looking for something.
 
I've often thought about organizing a swap meet type gathering for outdoor people to get together and buy/sell/trade hunting, camping, fishing, and other outdoor sports related gear. But it would be hard to keep out the "professional flea market" types, as Ty described. And that would ruin it, as far as I'm concerned.
 
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