Electricity Grinch

caryc

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The Edison company sent me an email with a "wonderful" offer in it. They will give me $200.00 if I let them come out and install a remote switch on my AC compressor which will let them turn it off at their will in peak use times. Anybody else receive this sweet deal?

How's that for a good deal? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
 
"Peak use times"..... you mean like when it's hotter than Hades and everybody wants to run their A/C?
 
It's a sweet deal for the electric company if they don't have to add capacity or buy electricity.
For you and me you can save some money if you don't mind having your a/c cycled off in the hottest weather. My company is only allowed to do this a certain number of times a year.
No thanks for me. They already made me have smart meters installed and now they want to charge me for the new meters.
Not feeling the love for the gas and electric company.
 
caryc said:
The Edison company sent me an email with a "wonderful" offer in it. They will give me $200.00 if I let them come out and install a remote switch on my AC compressor which will let them turn it off at their will in peak use times. Anybody else receive this sweet deal?

How's that for a good deal? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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I work in the hvac industry and get a lot of calls from people who have done this and don't understand why there a/c isn't working when its hot.Its an easy call to troubleshoot :D
 
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I have had it for 20+ years. There is only one time I have noticed it in operation.

You get a second meter for A/C only and the interruption box.

They are only supposed to shut it off no more than x minutes per hour during peak usage times. I want to say it is 15 minutes per hour, but I don't really remember.

The one time I noticed it they exceed x minutes by a bunch. It was off almost 20 minutes after I noticed the house was getting warm. I'd guess it closer to a 1/2 hour. The interruption box has a light on it that indicates when your A/C power is off.

The system here gives you cheaper rates for your A/C unit to allow the interruptable system.
 
coach said:
It's a sweet deal for the electric company if they don't have to add capacity or buy electricity.
For you and me you can save some money if you don't mind having your a/c cycled off in the hottest weather. My company is only allowed to do this a certain number of times a year.
No thanks for me. They already made me have smart meters installed and now they want to charge me for the new meters.
Not feeling the love for the gas and electric company.
I'm with you on this one. I didn't want the 'smart' meter but I would have had to pay if I DIDN'T get it. Now I have to pay because I got it. Ya cannot win! I have COPD and the very LAST thing I want is it to be hotter then Hades and the humidity up around 90% and have the A/C cut off.
 
We took that option ten years ago with our power company, both for heat/AC and hot water. Never noticed the difference, except in the lower power bill.
 
Fox Mike said:
coach said:
It's a sweet deal for the electric company if they don't have to add capacity or buy electricity.
For you and me you can save some money if you don't mind having your a/c cycled off in the hottest weather. My company is only allowed to do this a certain number of times a year.
No thanks for me. They already made me have smart meters installed and now they want to charge me for the new meters.
Not feeling the love for the gas and electric company.
I'm with you on this one. I didn't want the 'smart' meter but I would have had to pay if I DIDN'T get it. Now I have to pay because I got it. Ya cannot win! I have COPD and the very LAST thing I want is it to be hotter then Hades and the humidity up around 90% and have the A/C cut off.

COPD; You got That TOO ?? The Va prescribed a "once a day" Spiriva for me and an inhaler (too lazy to get up and look for the name) if Needed beyond the Spiriva; That's also why they gav me the CPAP machine too. Damn that smoking and 20 years in California SMOG.
 
Funny they don't offer that here in the Phoenix area

Might have something to do with a wrongful death lawsuit due to heat when it is 188* and they shut it off for "awhile"

When you NEED it they shut it off = Makes NO sense
 
If ignorance is bliss, you fellows must be ecstatic. :wink:

Seriously, you'll never know the difference. When they shut you off it's on a rotating basis, and never more than a few minutes at a time. It just lets them strategically juggle the load at critical times without overloading the system. I'll await the day you all start griping about your compressors burning out because of the brownouts...
 
I have this on my water heater and have not noticed any problems related to the disconnect. It only saves me a dime a day so wouldn't be worthwhile if I really needed the hot water running continuously. As it is, we have a big WH and only two users so realistically it doesn't make any diff.
BTW What's an "air conditioner"?
 
pisgah said:
If ignorance is bliss, you fellows must be ecstatic. :wink:

Seriously, you'll never know the difference. When they shut you off it's on a rotating basis, and never more than a few minutes at a time. It just lets them strategically juggle the load at critical times without overloading the system. I'll await the day you all start griping about your compressors burning out because of the brownouts...

Well Mr. Expert please forgive this poor ignorant fool. They didn't exactly give me a wealth of information in the email. All they said was that they would give me $200 if I let them install the remote switch for them to turn off my AC.

What am I supposed to think about that? Nothing about how long and how often. You'd think that if they wanted people to accept this, they could have spent a little time explaining it further. How long have you been working for the Edison company?
 
My water heater (propane) is set at 110°. The hot water is shut off to my clothes washer. My forced air wall furnace (propane) is shut off. I use a small electric heater to take the chill off of the room at night. I have a wall unit A/C with a thermostat and ceiling fans in every room. My average electric bill is $35 to $45 dollars a month; some winter and summer months have been as high as $140. Some other months as low as $25. I filled up my propane tank with 275 gallons in November a year and a half ago. Still have 40% reading on the gauge. I dress warm when it's cold, cool when it's hot. My water comes from a couple of deep wells. No garbage service; I burn a little, make an occasional run to the dump, and bring a kitchen size bag of trash to Juanita's house once a week. I recycle bottles, plastic and aluminum cans once a year - got $130 last time. I spent it on 600 rounds of bulk .223 ammo at my LGS. I love my utility bills (or lack thereof). Life is good on the ranch. 1100 hundred square feet of peace and quiet. Works for me.

Oh, by the way, PG&E has a rebate program for home owners. Twice a year I get a discount. April's bill actually shows a negative balance - I actually have a $7.00 credit towards May's bill. Life is really good.
 
Hi,

Cary, I know nothing of the nuts and bolts of getting this system set up with SCE, but have talked to a few people who've done it. They echo the comments that "The only thing we noticed was our bill went down a little."

Rick C
 
Had it here 20 yrs ago until they pulled the devices(they were failing after ten or more years). It was a $2 deduction/mo per device...one on water htr,one on heat pump. I didn't seem to notice any negatives. They no longer offer them.
 
Okay. Let's look at this a bit closer.

First of all, "ignorant fool" is not a phrase I used, nor would I use it at this point. Ignorance is a condition that can quickly be cured by education. It is only when one refuses to educate oneself that one becomes a fool.

Free solar panels from the government -- they don't exist. What DOES exist is a government rebate program that can, under certain circumstances, save you up to 50% of the cost. The aim of this program -- to conserve the energy available on the grid and eliminate, or at least delay, the need for adding hyper-expensive additional generating capacity, most of which will just sit there doing nothing except during exceptional periods of high demand. If you're off the grid, you're not eligible because your use of them will not contribute toward that end.

Why do they want the ability to shut you off if you are on the grid and install panels, or a backup-generator, for that matter? Load control and safety. The system can only handle so much energy at one time; start adding outside, unknown sources to the system in an uncontrolled manner, and you risk overloads. When a storm comes through and disrupts power in a part of your neighborhood, they shut off the entire neighborhood before repairs begin. They want to be able to shut down your independent source of power, too, so they know that no external source of power is charging the lines when the line crews begin work to restore service. Your personal freedom does not extend to the right to electrocute power company employees.

Why didn't they go in to more detail when they sent you the offer? I don't know, except they are human and no one can always anticipate every conceivable objection to any proposal made. I DO know that if you bother to contact the company and ask they will give you more information, because that's what I did when the offer first came to me. I was rewarded with voluminous printed information, plus a visit from a company representative who patiently, thoroughly and pleasantly answered every question I could come up with. I've had numerous gripes and tussles with my power company through the years, but this was not one of them. I weighed all the information, opted in, and have no regrets whatsoever.

When all is said and done, you still have the right to take it or leave it, at least for now. If enough people opt in, then maybe you can avoid it becoming mandatory in the future -- that's what has happened around here. So why not avail yourself of the opportunity to learn more before rejecting it out of hand?
 
TitanX said:
At least you're still being asked.

The time will come when it won't be up to us.

Oh is that so! Welcome to my world, where folks NEED permission to set foot on MY Property. ps
 
I just got a new electric meter. It doesn't shut off power, but it does send usage information for billing purposes. No more meter reader getting the dogs upset or leaving gates open. I can go online and monitor usage, for example, if I wanted to see how much an upright freezer added to my bill. It also lets the electric company pinpoint power outages, and quickly send repair crews to the likely problem area. That's a big plus in an area where it's not uncommon to have 60mph wind gusts, as well as tornados. One customer went ballistic about the install, and wound up in jail after seriously damaging a utility truck.
 
Pigsah,

I think we are talking apples and oranges. They cannot shut off my power with the interruptable service. (the new smart meter may be a different story) I installed most of the interruptable myself. Feed Meter #2 from the supply side of meter A so it's usage is measured differently. You can only connect A/C to this meter. There is an additional box connected to meter #2 that is a control circuit for meter #2.

When Edison I shaving a very high current draw day. Usually a very hot summer day. They may go into interrupting A/C to reduce area load.
 
Utilities failed to develop generating capabilities to keep up with demand. Think brown outs and in my area "rolling" blackouts.

The money was there, they just spent it on pay and benefits. And in the case of two of our local utilities "perks" for upper management.

The rolling blackouts were met with much ire from the end users. So they are trying to come up with something that folks will "volunteer" for. Then they won't have any right to complain.

But this isn't a new idea. It's only new to the general public. Decades ago the utilities started a system where during a high power demand companies could reduce their electrical demand. The idea was the utility would call the company and the company would have a specific amount of time in which to reduce their usage.

A couple of things. First, if the company ignored the first call, no harm no foul. Subsequent failures to comply resulted is stiffer and stiffer penalties. Oh, and the companies got a pretty good break on their electrical rates by joining in.

The refinery I worked for at the time took the gamble, and won. It was quite some time before they got the call. They promptly ignored it. Subsequent calls were few and far between. In the end they saved quite a bit on their electrical costs. Oh, and obviously this system didn't do a darned thing to prevent brown and black outs.

I can pay my bills. I will use AC whenever and for as long as I desire.

By the way, have you ever really looked at you bill. You are paying the bill for lower income folks, and I doubt those folks will ever be ask to put a remote switch on their AC.
 
pisgah said:
If ignorance is bliss, you fellows must be ecstatic. :wink:

Seriously, you'll never know the difference. When they shut you off it's on a rotating basis, and never more than a few minutes at a time. It just lets them strategically juggle the load at critical times without overloading the system. I'll await the day you all start griping about your compressors burning out because of the brownouts...

Define a "few" minutes. If it truly is just a few minutes, they wouldn't be saving a heck of a lot because the in rush when all those AC's started back up would suck up quite a bit of power.

I can tell you that out here when they kill your AC it will be for quite a few hours, during the hottest part of the day. Your home will heat up rapidly, and when the AC comes back on it will require a pretty good amount of electricity to cool it.

Oh, and gas turbine "peaking" plants are fairly quick to install. They just cost a fair amount to install and operate. Goes back to the utilities dragging their feet on building newer and more efficient plants to replace older ones. But I bet they folks making that decision enjoyed their annual bonus.
 
make sure your household electric company has your address listed as "Elderly-Respiratory patient" or their most-severe rating. Specific laws protect elderly & medical-dependent homes as utility priorities. We even had our street plowed first after noting the property this way.
 
Xsales said:
Funny they don't offer that here in the Phoenix area

Might have something to do with a wrongful death lawsuit due to heat when it is 188* and they shut it off for "awhile"

When you NEED it they shut it off = Makes NO sense

LOL!!!!!!!!!!! Ain't that the truth!?
 
Cary, we had it for fifteen years in San Dimas, ca. Never shut us off. We moved and just last week got the same notice as you. Sounds good to me. If you have a pool and don't run the pump during the day you get a discount for that also.
We have lots of power it just costs more because of all the GREEN energy we have to buy.
Eric
 
I am looking for a new house. One of the requirement's is that the existing electrical panel have the capability of supporting a stand-by generator. I figure if it ever becomes the norm to have the Electric Companies turning down/off the juice I won't really care...... because if they do..... that gen-set is just gonna automatically kick on...... and I (nor they) will never know the difference...... :roll:
 
After moving to the South 48 here in Medford I don't worry about the gas meter or the electrical. It's so much less here than in Juneau that it seems like the gas and electric is free.
 

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