Byrna pistol problem... (pepper powder)

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You guys can feel free to laugh at me on this one.... but also learn something from it.

So, sometime in the last year I bought one of these Byrna (non lethal pistols) for our church safety team. 4 of us have gone out and 'qualified' with it. When I bought it I ordered all the various extras.... including the pepper powder balls.

Well this past Sunday after service I was siting in our security room and one of the members was with me and he removed the magazine from the Byrna and notices some white powder on it .... I looked at it and did what every TV cop does when finding white powder, I put a little on my finger and tasted it.... (yes, I know) the odd thing was it had no taste and was not hot at first but did start to get warm. I then looked down in the magazine well and could see the broken pepper ball and a good bit of powder still in there. So, I decided to tap the pistol on the desk in front of me to get the ball and power out.. which with a good hard tap did... about a 1/2 teaspoon of powder and the two half section of the ball came out... 2 seconds later myself and the other guy evacuated the room! He did not get as bad a dose as I did.... runny nose and eyes for about 20 minutes.....

Now here's where I get even dumber.... I went back in a bit later and using the sexton's vacuum sucked up the broken ball and most of the powder. After that I was ready to go home.... later in the day I started worrying what would happen if the sexton decided to clean the vacuum out.... and so this past week I went back out to clean the vacuum.... not thinking (seems like a on going tradition here). I took the vac out in the yard and took it apart before decided I needed to put on a dust mask.... I then processed to blow every thing off.... I did not think about eye protection.... right about the time I started putting the vacuum back together I started coughing and I mean hacking like I was going to toss up a lung.... took the vac back in the room and noticed there was still a trace of powder on the desk and used my bandana to wipe this last stuff off. Still hacking pretty good I decided to drive home.... on the way my nose was running pretty good and so I decided to blow it.... into my bandana.... there was the real mistake.... right after this I actually went blind for about 2 seconds.... remember me cleaning the rest of the powder off the desk..... into the BANDANA!
I'm serious.... not making any of this up. Was on a straight road.
We've decided that the pepper balls need to go... hitting someone with one of those inside a building with other people, especially the elderly (like me) , would be a really bad idea. So, I guess that is the potentially good part of my misadventure.
 
Side note... out in the parking lot after service with the guy who was in the room with me and the member who has purchased the concealed carry version of the Byrna and the two were kind of discussing the difference in the two calibrers ... seems the newer smaller version uses smaller balls... My answer was I prefer 124gr 9mm ... in a necked down 10mm case.... they just kind of looked at me confused... even most gun owners would not know what that meant.

I'm not totally against the Byrna .... seems in a world of restrictions it is an option for now, at least for a while before 'they' actually discover them and also the idiots out there start using them. I do think we will get rid of the pepper balls.
 
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In my Mil and LEO careers I have been "OC" sprayed at least 4 times in training......you can easily get used to it and work around the discomfort
Now add high stress adrenaline and drugs to your system. It has almost no effect on some people in some circumstances.

Even eating spicy foods builds up your immunity. I will stick with lead projectiles for protection.

Great story Blume! Valuable information for anyone considering on of these.

Sometimes you don’t eliminate the problem so much as more the problem somewhere else.
 
You guys can feel free to laugh at me on this one.... but also learn something from it.

So, sometime in the last year I bought one of these Byrna (non lethal pistols) for our church safety team. 4 of us have gone out and 'qualified' with it. When I bought it I ordered all the various extras.... including the pepper powder balls.

Well this past Sunday after service I was siting in our security room and one of the members was with me and he removed the magazine from the Byrna and notices some white powder on it .... I looked at it and did what every TV cop does when finding white powder, I put a little on my finger and tasted it.... (yes, I know) the odd thing was it had no taste and was not hot at first but did start to get warm. I then looked down in the magazine well and could see the broken pepper ball and a good bit of powder still in there. So, I decided to tap the pistol on the desk in front of me to get the ball and power out.. which with a good hard tap did... about a 1/2 teaspoon of powder and the two half section of the ball came out... 2 seconds later myself and the other guy evacuated the room! He did not get as bad a dose as I did.... runny nose and eyes for about 20 minutes.....

Now here's where I get even dumber.... I went back in a bit later and using the sexton's vacuum sucked up the broken ball and most of the powder. After that I was ready to go home.... later in the day I started worrying what would happen if the sexton decided to clean the vacuum out.... and so this past week I went back out to clean the vacuum.... not thinking (seems like a on going tradition here). I took the vac out in the yard and took it apart before decided I needed to put on a dust mask.... I then processed to blow every thing off.... I did not think about eye protection.... right about the time I started putting the vacuum back together I started coughing and I mean hacking like I was going to toss up a lung.... took the vac back in the room and noticed there was still a trace of powder on the desk and used my bandana to wipe this last stuff off. Still hacking pretty good I decided to drive home.... on the way my nose was running pretty good and so I decided to blow it.... into my bandana.... there was the real mistake.... right after this I actually went blind for about 2 seconds.... remember me cleaning the rest of the powder off the desk..... into the BANDANA!
I'm serious.... not making any of this up. Was on a straight road.
We've decided that the pepper balls need to go... hitting someone with one of those inside a building with other people, especially the elderly (like me) , would be a really bad idea. So, I guess that is the potentially good part of my misadventure.
Old fashioned guns with lead bullets might be in order. Just sayin’
 
this is a good story! I’m laughing thinking of the steps you took.

Curious though, what other projectiles does the Byrna have beside the pepper ball? Are they just rubber bullets? I’m not familiar with this name.
 
It shoots a hard plastic ball about the same size as a standard marble..... early Sunday morning I got up the courage to clean the pistol out by hitting it with air from my compressor.... I only coughed a little from this... then I needed to see if the pistol still worked and so I loaded a new clean magazine with these balls in it and took aim at my concrete mixer about 50ft away. pulled the trigger and actually it where I was aiming! And that ball hitting the side of the mixer made one hell of a ring from the impact.
 
Not handled much at all... we speculate that it could have been from taking the magazine out and putting it back in... seems when you first insert a loaded magazine the top ball is then forced into the chamber area... there is no slide on these to cock. Then if you remove the magazine that 'round' stays in the gun.... then possibly reinserting the magazine could cause the pepper ball to break.... these are pieced together not like the kinetic ones that are whole.
 
So impossible to check without removing the magazine and reinserting it may have caused the problem.

If the one in the chamber broke. Maybe load a kinetic one first?
 
We did test it when I first got it .... outside and up wind... I'm not going to try them in a building.... I've tossed the last of the pepper balls anyway.
I was going to break the pistol down to clean it... but my history of doing this on something I have never touched before is not really that good and so I just blew it out with compressed air and tested it with the regular balls.... I guess it is no different than a regular firearm that you have to have a little bit of faith that it will work on the terrible event when you need it.
 

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