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Any thoughts on the latest Yahoo article. States total cash accumulation by the Scouts to total 520 million so far for an alledged ??? 95,000 ??? claims and 1400 federally authorized law suits.
Along with selling off land assests as wells as some gas and oil properties.
What ???????????????
I find this hard to fathom if not difficult to believe the totals.
 
I have no Idea, Scouting brought many problems to themselves I believe.
Obviously letting the wrong people in truly sad.
Back in the early sixties Scouting was great and I enjoyed it immensely especially
the Jamborees. Camping and learning it was great. Never ever heard of any hanky panky never!
We had nothing but good clean fun with a side order of chores. ps
 
powder smoke said:
I have no Idea, Scouting brought many problems to themselves I believe.
Obviously letting the wrong people in truly sad.
Back in the early sixties Scouting was great and I enjoyed it immensely especially
the Jamborees. Camping and learning it was great. Never ever heard of any hanky panky never!
We had nothing but good clean fun with a side order of chores. ps


Did you ever find that smoke shifter? or the bacon stretcher?......
 
Scouts used to be a fine organization that was well worth getting boys involved in. Too bad the PC crap invaded them. I blame most of these cases on them letting the wrong people in just to be PC. I hope, if they survive, my grandsons never join.
 
they were always out back with the "can smashers and the sky hooks"....
and the evening 'snipe hunts'....and as I recall at Camp Merz, on Lake Chatacqua ,NY< the mile swim merit badge you had to swim across the lake to the Girl Scout Camp
8) :roll: :wink:
 
The Scouts have been totally wussified by the PC idiots. They forced to accept pedophiles, homosexuals, and other types I wouldn't want around my children for leadership positions. Then they were forced to let girls join. That was the death knell.
 
LDM said:
The Scouts have been totally wussified by the PC idiots. They forced to accept pedophiles, homosexuals, and other types I wouldn't want around my children for leadership positions. Then they were forced to let girls join. That was the death knell.

Most of the lawsuits facing scouting are from events that predated the PC culture. Any time you have an organization that puts boys and men together, you have to guard against the pedophiles. The Boy Scouts have had rules for how leaders and scouts should interact. The problems arose when the "we don't have to worry about that here" attitude took over.
 
I spent 50 years of my life in the same BSA Troop. I retired a bit over a year ago.
I have had the pleasure of helping many young boys become fine young men. Many, still contact me off & on.
That said,, the BSA organization is NOTHING like it was 15-20 or more years ago.
Yes,, we had to guard against the wrong kind of leaders,, AND boys. But in general,, it was mostly good.
Until the MONEY push by the liberals who demanded changes or they would stop donating money. Think BIG money at the National Level.
So, the push to allow gays started.
After that,, then it was noticed that membership started falling.
So, then the next push was for girls to join. It was supposed to be a way to increase membership,, but that too has resulted in more backlash.

In 1963 & 1964,, my Troop boasted a membership of boys & adult leaders in excess of 150 ACTIVE.
Currently,,, less than 30.

The BSA used to be a respected organization by most in the communities all across the nation. Now,, that has changed.

National let big money donors make the policy.

I do not regret my decades of time in my Troop & the BSA,, but I do find it SAD to see what the organization has become.
 
Contender said: That said,, the BSA organization is NOTHING like it was 15-20 or more years ago.

Heck I joined in the early 60's cant remember for sure the exact date, Nothing but fond memories!
Klondike Derby was probably my favorite adventure bunch of scouts hauling dog sleds thru the snow!
Was a blast winter camping was an experience. Scout Master made donuts in a large cast iron kettle
man o man were they good. Naturally them hot donuts were put in a sack of sugar and shaken up.
Can almost taste them now.ps
 
We see the whole scenario actually happening to the Boy Scouts in real time.I feel soon they are going down and will be no more possibly. Big money, liberalism, egos, political correctness, the agenda of the left and equality. Well thats whats happening to our country as well.

The Biden administration is going to push through the gun control policies it wants and its happening now.

Go check out the You Tube channel "Guns and Gadgets" for current 2nd amendment news

Whats next ??
 
How come we dont hear so much c**p and problems coming from the Girl Scouts.
 
You think the Leftists will tolerate an organization whose oath includes the words "and keep myself morally straight."?
I also that like the Catholic Church the Scouts were denounced for allowing pedophiles into leadership positions but I have heard no thunderous denunciations by anyone on the Left of pedophilia.
 
You think the Leftists are going to tolerate an organization whose oath includes the words " and keep myself....morally straight." I also note the same people who sneer at the Scouts-like the Catholic Church-for not living up to its beliefs and allowing pedophiles into leadership positions maintain a deafening silence when it comes to pedophilia.
 
As noted,, the last few words of the Scout Oath; "and keep myself morally straight" are EXACTLY the words I used when I voiced my opinion when I retired from Scouting, in a letter to National.

As for the Girl Scouts.
They already accept liberalism.
Plus,, they legally dis-allow boys from joining,,!
How is that possible?
The Supreme Court decided back in the 1980's, that the BSA was a PRIVATE organization,, and a private organization is allowed to set membership guidelines. This was due to a lawsuit back in the mid 80's from a gay guy who sued the BSA wanting to be an adult leader. He lost, the SCOTUS found that the BSA was a private organization, and they would be legal in setting it's private membership rules.
I challenged the BSA several years after that,, on them wanting my SSN,, and once I fought all the way to National, the legal division at National, used the very same argument to say; "Our membership rules for adults requires the placing of your SSN on our applications, for use in background checks to protect the kids. You are correct in that you are not required by law to give it,, but since we are a private organization, we can also deny your membership."

So, the GS organization set's it's membership rules as well. They still refuse boys memberships. It would take a lawsuit against them, and it would likely lose,, because of the SCOTUS ruling. And you can darn sure bet the national media would IGNORE any attempts by a boy who would challenge them.
Double standards, exactly what the liberals want.
 
Double standards? Yes, but from a personal angle. It's just that while you accept the SCOTUS decision that private organizations are allowed to set their own membership guidelines you don't appreciate some of the rules an organization has enacted. Don't like the rules, don't play the game. Can't blame everything on the left even when it seems like the proper thing to do.

Personally, I think the mixing of the genders (only two!) and allowing gays into these youth organizations are bad ideas. That said, I don't make those rules. The official BSA site used to offer the following interpretation of the key feature of the Scout Law:

"Being morally straight means to live your life with honesty, to be clean in your speech and actions, and to be a person of strong character." Carefully avoiding any actual reference to sex at all, relying on one's interpretation of the word "clean".

The site currently has omitted all the definitions of the points of the Law . . . more's the pity. :?

Ale, former Cub Scout, Boy Scout, and Explorer Scout, with OA membership . . . when all those were all-male. :wink:
 
Good point on the angle of double standards.

I'll be interested to watch it,, if & when a boy tries to join the GS, gets refused, & sues using the phrase; "gender discrimination."

I pulled down my first 3 BSA Handbooks. I re-visited the Scout Oath, and it's meaning.
In these manuals,, it stresses the point that by following the Oath,, you will serve God and be a good MAN for the community. The first two manuals,, were identical copies of each other in this area.
The 3rd one,, first printed in 1973,, has this to say about "morally straight."
" You live & act and speak in ways that mark you as a boy who will grow up to be a man of good character. You are honest, clean in speech & actions, thoughtful of the rights of others, and faithful to your religious beliefs."
My 4th handbook, printed in 1983, says this;
"You owe it to yourself to aim to become a man of strong character. Be thoughtful of the rights of others. Be clean in speech & actions. Be faithful in your religious beliefs. Your life as a Scout will take you along the trail that leads to strong, self-reliant manhood."
My 5th manual,, which came out in 1990,, has removed the comments about manhood. It also did a re-write of the definition of "morally straight." It's similar to the 2 above,, but as noted,, the removal of using "man" or manhood" in describing a boy becoming an adult.
This edition was printed after the lawsuit, and SCOTUS ruling.

And in all the parts about religion, it never specifies any religion, but it says to be true to yours. And according to most Bibles,, homosexual behavior wasn't acceptable.
So, the BSA organization in it's first approximate 75 years was a male dominated organization, that followed mostly Christian beliefs in this Country.

And as adults,, in charge of kids,, (of which I spent over 40 years at doing,) we always worked hard to make sure it was a SAFE environment for the boys,, to be boys, and learn how to grow into good men.
And yet,, in all my years as a Scout, then as a leader, we'd occasionally hear about an adult who abused their position, and preyed upon some boys. Not many,, but it did occasionally happen. And from all I remember,, each one was severely prosecuted.

Boys need to be boys,, and need to be able to experience the activities w/o the girls around. Our schools are co-ed,, and this was a way for them to "just be boys" w/o girls & associated issues with that distracting them.

No longer.

As I was typing this,, redhawker posted about the BSA forcing the acceptance of girls.

A little history here. It was voted upon by a rep from each Council that represents each BSA District. My local Council, The NC Daniel Boone Council, represents 17 WNC Counties. The vote was done at a National meeting. Those Reps, are the ones who voted to allow gays & later girls.
And it was under pressure in many places by big money.
I was told that directly, by more than one District Rep.
 
contender said:
A little history here. It was voted upon by a rep from each Council that represents each BSA District. My local Council, The NC Daniel Boone Council, represents 17 WNC Counties. The vote was done at a National meeting. Those Reps, are the ones who voted to allow gays & later girls. And it was under pressure in many places by big money.

Good background stuff, Ty.

It just needs to be understood by all that there was no law passed that forced the BSA to accept girls. The SCOTUS ruling made it clear that membership requirements are up to the organizations. The decision to admit girls came from within the BSA itself, very likely influenced by outside "big money" as Ty points out. Sad situation. :(
 
All of this saddens me. I was in Scouting in the 1950’s and at one time every member of my family was involved. I never heard any allegations of wrongdoing beyond benign negligence by the adult leaders during our “hikes”. Throwing hand axes without the adults stopping us displeased some of the Moms. By the time my own sons were of scouting age, in the ‘70’s, things had changed and neither of my boys enjoyed the program.
 
Are there any organizations left for kids to join that aren't completely changed from what they were in the 50's? I was never a scout. I was in the "Y". We teased scouts about their short pants. But both the scouts and the "Y" have become completely skewed in their beliefs.

YMCA is an acronym for Young Men's Christian Association. The last time I was at a "Y" function there was no benediction. I ask the director of the local "Y" why this wasn't done. He responded that they had members from many different religious groups and it was no longer acceptable to have a Christian benediction. I ended my association with the "Y" shortly thereafter.

Back when I was a kid you really had three choices for organizations to join. Scouts, "Y" and Woodcraft Rangers. I think the Rangers was a strictly SoCal organization. The Rangers were also a totally secular organization. Of the three only the Rangers has kept to their original premise.
 
I dropped out of the BSA around 1974 due to uh...(cat scratch fever perhaps).
Went through all the stages since before I had hair..... nevermind.
Raised on Army bases we always had leaders that were usally sergeants or above career guys.
100% outstanding leaders of men as well as boys! Never a single issue with any homosexual activity.
Scouting taught me a few things my Dad didn't and it's all still good today.
Have a lot of great memories Scouting. Dadgum shame they bowed to snowflakes. 100% correct that places like that do attract ugly folks. We were always told to watch and tell. Hell we was treated like GI's, always together as a team watching each others back.
I don't remember the year but I stopped supporting the BSA when they allowed queer scout masters....crap……..
can I still say that? Oh hell I'll be on another list I reckon, what's one more.
 
Like so many,,, I learned a lot of good stuff in Scouting,, from MEN,, who were good leaders. As I've aged,, and reflected upon my youth, and the people who influenced me,, I always come back to a few.
My Dad. RIP.
My Scoutmaster,, Minor Wilson, RIP.
My Karate Instructor, Terry V. (Beat the cancer Terry!)

But one thing that all 3 taught,, was discipline, respect, ethics, and honesty. Each had their own methods, and in other areas,, skills. But it's those 3 who helped shape me.
I just hope I have lived up to their expectations.

And I hope, that maybe a few times in my life,, I've had some boys who will think of me in the same way. As a mentor,, who helped them.

Sadly, to answer Jeepnik's question,, I do not think there is any national organization that is anywhere near to what it was in the 50's & 60's for boys anymore. But of course,, neither are the public schools,,, or even most churches.
 
I spent a lot of time in Scouting, both as a child and an adult. Enjoyed all of it. Attended two Jamborees, 1950 in Valley Forge as a Scout and again in 1993 as an adult. I left Scouting as a Star and joined Civil Air Patrol. The CAP encampments were more along military lines but they too were a preparation for life. Today I wouldn't even suggest a boy get into Scouting.
 
I’m an Eagle Scout class of ‘92. My son went from tigers and is now in 7th grade. He’s pretty much dropped out he just doesn’t like it other than going camping and we go camping as a family often enough. I have been an adult leader for quite a few years and it’s been interesting to see the changes.

The girls issue is in my opinion from the LDS pulling out. They were a huge portion of membership and money and meeeting facilities. BSA decided to let girls in to replace the loss of bodies and $$. My council crying poor merged with the council to the north of us and now consolidating and selling commercial office buildings again crying poor but also redundant space. The are not saying they will sell any camp properties most of which have been in the council for 60+ years. Yet. But those are some valuable tracts. Unless a huge piece of land is donated the cost to buy a property for a new camp would be impossible these days. The annual cost to the troops and pack. I’ve been treasurer for years has gone way up from 20 per kid to almost $100 still cheaper than little league. But these include insurance surcharges. From council etc. And fund raising is way way down. I would not be surprised to see our pack fold in next few years. Also covid has prevented almost all in person gatherings so getting little kids to pay attention is difficult. It’s quite sad really to see a once good organisation for boys crumble.
 
bobski said:
anyone notice the similarities between scouts and the army?
For very good reason. The founder, Lord Baden Powell, was a highly decorated soldier in the British Army. When he returned to England after most of a life away, he was appalled at the huge number of boys/young men who literally, had nothing to do. He organized the "Boy Scouts" to do something about this, and literally provide early practical skills and training for new army recruits...which historically had zero back ground in the outdoors /discipline, etc.
 
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