I can't help with any of the rubber grips as I will not use them.Rooterpig said:The hogue mono grips #83000 won't fit my blackhawk even though my frame # is on description. Please explain your remark about the big rubber grips pushing you hand down away from center. Trying to learn how two shoot the gun consistent . I will have four shots two inch group and then two shots three inches high at 20 yards .