Auction prices----UPDATE

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The other day there was a post about the prices of guns at an auction and the ridicules prices asked, and gotten by some. I have been 'tracking' one particular Bearcat for about three weeks. It has 'run out 'the time limit and been relisted twice. The starting price was then $550.00. There have been NO bids posted during all that time. It has now been relisted once again---with a starting figure of $575.00 and now has a 'reserve not met' notice added on it. I wonder what part of "no one wanted it at $550.00" are they have a problem with.
 
Frank,,, I'm sure that the seller is hoping to get a pair of the same type of uneducated people who attended that auction I went to.

On a similar note,,, several years ago,, locally there was a house for sale. The Realtor had it listed for 2 years,,, no sale. He jacked up the price & sold it in less than 3 months. Go figure.
 
This happened with a rare NIB gun I was watching, it got relisted about four times at the same price, which for a NIB version with a display case (was a commemorative) and I was looking for a shooter. (See Gunbroker # 541196909)

Had plenty of watchers, had sold some guns to provide the funds, decided to buy it and it had sold. Some of these persistent sellers who have a good concept of value eventually sell.

On the ones who have it over priced eventually pull it.

But you never know when a buyer will go looking and willing to pay that price. Specifically talking about Gunbroker and E-bay (gun parts).
 
contender said:
...I'm sure that the seller is hoping to get a pair of the same type of uneducated people who attended that auction I went to...

That's usually what drives up the price at any type of auction, lack of research is the only reason for paying too much online. At least at a live auction you can claim that you got swept up in the excitement, I've found that a recent phenomenon is that internet purchasers don't do enough real world research and just trust Google. For example, last night I paid $17.46 per box for Winchester 333 box of .22lr ammo, look at the price on bulkammo.com, $69 per box :shock: ...

http://www.bulkammo.com/bulk-22-lr-ammo-22lr36cphpwin-333
 
Its all about marketing. There has been a few times I had guns for sale with zero interest. Removing them from gunbrokers for a couple of weeks then raising the price then resulted in them selling.
Sometimes it works, sometimes not.
 
I believe that there are usually a number of factors that determine who will buy and how much will be paid for almost any item.

Every year I sell feeder cattle, and a few cull/replacement cows at auction. Over the years I have learned what most buyers are looking for and we try to produce cattle that will bring the best price, selling at the most optimum times.

I also know that there are other factors that determine the price for other items. I remember examples, admittedly for specialty items, that illustrates factors different than for cattle. There may be some correlation to certain gun sales.

When I was in College Business/Economic Classes, in the early 1950's I remember that we worked with a local department store, actually Pennys, and I remember the manager illustrating one marketing ploy for ladies clothing. Ladies clothing were on display on individual racks, with prices marked on each rack within various price ranges for all of the clothes on each rack. Also, each item of clothes on each rack had a price tag within the posted range. The store kept track of which items were sold over time.

When it was noticed that a specific item, such as a dress, blouse, skirt, coat, etc., on a rack was not selling while other items on the same rack were selling, the unsold item would be removed and moved to another rack, with a higher price posted and the actual price tag on that item changed to a higher price.

The store manager pointed out that this seemed to usually result in the item with a higher price almost always sold out without delay. He stated that the process appealed to the "vanity" of buyers, who seemed to like the idea that they were buying a "more upscale item" since it was a higher price item. If the item failed to sell at the higher price, then it was place, "on sale" at a "sale price lower.

In our discussions on the subject in the class, we also discussed that perhaps when the item had been listed at a lower price, potential buyers may have thought that the lower price, compared to the appearance or quality, did not match. Perhaps when the higher price was posted, and the item moved to a rack where all item there were higher price, potential buyers may have believed that the quality was higher since the moved item was now included in higher price items.

In our classes we also noted similar results in the grocery store were we worked with the store manager involving economics. I believe that there were other factors involving groceries but we learned that, for example, the higher quality meat cuts on display were often passed over by buyers for lower quality meats even when the lower quality were higher price.

We also observed in every class that there were numerous buyers who made their choices strictly on lowest price while others compared prices with what they perceived to be quality compared to price

In summary, I believe that a skilled manager learns to know his customer base and how to provide and market products for greatest advantage. I know that over the decades, by improving the type and quality of our cattle, based on order buyer preference, we have been more successful in receiving more income, measured in dollars, for our cattle than I received 50 years ago.
 
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We have an auction house here locally that sells a gun every so often. They sold two from an estate today, a Bersa .380 in good condition and a 30-30 -OK condition. Both were $250-300 guns in my estimation. The Bersa went for $700 and the 30-30 for $450. These folks also paid sales tax on top of these prices. :shock: I wish I could have sold some at these prices.

Thanks,

32Magfan
 
Not an auction but I worked for a major retail store when I got out of high school. They had tape recorders for 19.95 for several months, regular price, none sold. They had a big Washingtons Birthday sale in the flyer they prices them @ 22.22. I spent all morning hauling 4 packs from the storeroom to the electronics dept. All were sold before noon. There was many other items that started with 22.00 or ended with .22 cents. Go figure
 
Got a gun selling-trading buddy who swears pricing a gun too low hurts the sale. He had a Colt or Kimber, can't remember which, priced fair for weeks. Raised the price $150 and sold it quickly. Go figure.
 
XP100 said:
Not an auction but I worked for a major retail store when I got out of high school. They had tape recorders for 19.95 for several months, regular price, none sold. They had a big Washingtons Birthday sale in the flyer they prices them @ 22.22. I spent all morning hauling 4 packs from the storeroom to the electronics dept. All were sold before noon. There was many other items that started with 22.00 or ended with .22 cents. Go figure
Looks like you hit the nail on the head. The Bearcat went for $580.00. No one had ever placed a bid when there was no "Reserve" and its starting price was $550.00; figure that out.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=545739238

Now here is a real bargain.
https://www.gunsamerica.com/965172760/R ... -Model.htm
 
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