357 magnum target load info using 158gr lswc and bullseye powder

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Hi and Merry Christmas!
I'm going to use some bullseye for target loads only in 357mag cases with 158gr lswc's.
Looks like about 3.4 grains of bullseye would be a pretty good place to start.... Do you agree?

Cheers!
 
4.3 is the starting load in Speer #11. That's listed at 848 fps out of a 6" security six. 4.2 is the starting load listed in .38. Your load sounds mighty light. What data are you looking at?
 
3.4 grs. of Bullseye with a +/- 150 gr. WC is all I shoot out of my dedicated 38 Special handguns. I see no reason to hotrod it or to even shoot a SWC. It shoots like a dream out of them all.

Yes, your 3.4 gr. load is a good start.
 
I don't know. The wadcutter will have better velocity due to being loaded deeper. If he loads a swc that light the pressure/speed might be pretty lethargic.
 
protoolman has a good point. The volume of empty air space in the magnum case,, between the base of the bullet & the top of the powder,, (when the shell is stood up,) could be an issue.

Loading light powder charges like that,, I always used a poly dacron fiber-fill (pillow stuffing,) to fill that space. I'd pull a little off a wad,, roll it into a ball, stuff it into the case,, tamp it in place with a flat ended rod,, THEN load the bullet. That way,, no powder moves around,, and is always next to the primer in a uniform manner.
 
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4.3 is the starting load in Speer #11. That's listed at 848 fps out of a 6" security six. 4.2 is the starting load listed in .38. Your load sounds mighty light. What data are you looking at?
Hornady mid range load for a 38 special target load.
Seems to me a midrange 38 special might be a good starting load in a 357 mag case.
 
I don't under-load, I don't load light for cartridge bullet weights, I don't load wad cutters, and I don't use Bullseye in .357 because it's a magnum round and Bullseye is not a magnum powder.

Why use .357 brass with a way loaded down .38 Special load?

Your Bullseye load is very similar to my jacketed 9X19 Luger self defense load for a semi-auto pistol and .357 has almost exactly TWICE the case volume of 9X19.
 
Hi and Merry Christmas!
I'm going to use some bullseye for target loads only in 357mag cases with 158gr lswc's.
Looks like about 3.4 grains of bullseye would be a pretty good place to start.... Do you agree?

Cheers!
I think I used to use 3.2 gr but 3.4 gr is a good shooter I am sure. A 38 Special Load deserves a 38 case, just to keep it straight.
 
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"Why use .357 brass with a way loaded down .38 Special load?"

People sometimes have more brass in one caliber over another.
Or,, to avoid the dreaded carbon ring buildup,, using longer cases helps.

I used the poly fiberfill in my .38 Spl loads to assist in uniformity of my ammo. It must work,, because I'd get single digit Standard Deviations over the chrono.

When I'm loading,, I always try to find the most accurate ammo for my purposes. Sometimes it's light charges,, sometimes it's heavier charges. But most often,, it's a load that's from about mid-way to a bit above mid level loads that are the most accurate.
Just yesterday,, I was working on testing loads in an AR-15. I had (7) different charges to try out with that bullet & primer combo. I fired my fouling & settling rounds,, then after a cool down,, I fired my first group. I'd let it cool down,, & fire the next group. I got 6 of the 7 tested so far before it got too late. But right smack dab in the middle,, one load preformed notably better. That's most likely going to be my starting area to re-test things. Accuracy is king,, as all else is irrelevant if you can't hit the target. No amount of power, or velocity matters if you aren't accurate.
 
I had a whole reply here until I noticed you said 357 cases. I don't see that as being too big of a problem though.
My target loads are normally in 38spl cases, I use a swc 99% of the time because that's the mold I use (lyman 358477).
I have loaded a ton of those at 3.2gr bullseye. It is truly a mouse fart.
 
I don't under-load, I don't load light for cartridge bullet weights, I don't load wad cutters, and I don't use Bullseye in .357 because it's a magnum round and Bullseye is not a magnum powder.

Why use .357 brass with a way loaded down .38 Special load?

Your Bullseye load is very similar to my jacketed 9X19 Luger self defense load for a semi-auto pistol and .357 has almost exactly TWICE the case volume of 9X19.
Sounds like you don't have too much fun.

Seriously one can run light loads carefully worked up to hit at or as close as possible to point of aim as a full powder load. A good example is the late great Elmer Keith. He was notorous from running a hot 240 gr. cast bullet load n his .44 magnum and based pn much of his writings, ne would believe that was all he used. Nothing could be further from the truth. Actually, Elmer had IIRC three basic loads all using his 240 gr. bullet. One was a light bullseye charge that hit to the same point of aim as his full blown hunting load. Another a a moderate load using Unique for general use and lastly, his full bore 22.0 gr. 2400 for serious work. There is absolutely no reason why one couldn't use that same strategy in the .357 Mag. A good idea if one chooses to go that route would be to color code the primers or the entire rear with nail polish or Sharpee pens. Red for the full bore romper stomper, green for the mild target and plinking loads and the middle goup coud just not use a color. Could save some wear and tear on the gun and the shooter if truth be told.

I've something similar with the .357 and .44 mags for years with the only different being the lighter of two loads used Unique and the full power either A2400 or H110/W296. The light load used a plain based 150 gr. SWC and the full load 158 gr. gas checked SWC bullet. For the .44 mag. it was 9.0 gr. of Unique and either Elmer's bullet or one very similar with gas check.

Currently the .357 and .44 Mags are in semi-retirement as I've acquired a nice S&W 624 in .44 Spl. and the only load I use is Skeeter Skelton's pet of 7.5 gr. Unique and either of my 240 gr. SWCs. Just depends on which I have some bullets cast and lubed ready to load. Life's much simpler.
Paul B.
 
Hi and Merry Christmas!
I'm going to use some bullseye for target loads only in 357mag cases with 158gr lswc's.
Looks like about 3.4 grains of bullseye would be a pretty good place to start.... Do you agree?

Cheers!
If you are interested at all, I have a very elaborate ballistics file, and under the .357 Mag section I have 100 unique cartridges listed, with all their ballistics numbers. i send this file out in PDF form, so if interested, message me. With this file you can compare what you make vs. what is out there.
 
Hi and Merry Christmas!
I'm going to use some bullseye for target loads only in 357mag cases with 158gr lswc's.
Looks like about 3.4 grains of bullseye would be a pretty good place to start.... Do you agree?

Cheers!
I had a conversation with one of the NRA's gurus back when they did such radical things, and he said a good standard load for the 357/158 LSWC was 3.5 gr. Bullseye, so it looks like you are on the right track! :)
 

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