303 British problem

Peacemaker4

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Anyone hunt with a 303 British Enfield? I'm having a problem getting mine to shoot consistent groups. Bullets seem to have a mind of their own and fly wherever they want, no matter what I do. Scope is torqued properly. Tried different ammo, both factory and reloads. 150 grain, 180 grain. Doesn't matter. I can't zero it. Got a mind of its own.
 
There is a site called Gun Boards Some real MILSURP experts there. Might want to check it out.
My son has a Swiss K 31 which doesn't shoot worth anything. They said it s most likely the bedding of the barrel as that can change with considerable age and usage.
 
Need more information to get a decent answer.
Is it a 1914 or an SMLE?
Full military stock or sporterized?
You mentioned a scope. What kind of mount ?
Have you shot it without the scope and how did it do?
All variables that can affect the issue.
 
Similar problem....after spending more than I wanted trying different fixes, I parted it and sold parts on eBay and recouped all costs. Still have some 303 British ammo I am trying to find a home for (local area). LOL
 
Need more information to get a decent answer.
Is it a 1914 or an SMLE?
Full military stock or sporterized?
You mentioned a scope. What kind of mount ?
Have you shot it without the scope and how did it do?
All variables that can affect the issue.
It's marked No4 Mk1 Long Branch, 1942. Ser#3L2792. It is sporterized and has a B Square scope mount. I have not tried to group it without the scope. To do that I would gave to take off the B Square and remount the rear sights.
 
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Well the Canadian Enfield's certainly were capable of shooting OK (3" at 100 yards) if in proper shape. Many had the silly looking 2 groove barrel and still pulled it off. But they are not target guns without TLC, bedding and such.
Seems like most I had prefered heavyish bullets sized at least .303 so make sure the reloads have not been done with 30cal,,,, It has happened.
Assuming the bore looks good I would do the work and replace the original ladder sight and take the scope and mount variable out of the equation.
You don't have to adjust the sight just shoot enough to see if it groups.
 
I know that both my No4Mk2 and my No5Mk1 hate 150grn bullets. I use 180grn in my reloads.

Neither are tack drivers, but give me decent accuracy. I took a doe many years back with the carbine. Both are still in their
Milsurp configuration.

In addition to what the others said, maybe have someone else shoot a few rounds out off it and make sure it’s not something you might be doing or how the rifle fits you.

Aqualung
 
What diameter are your bullets? I guess that is only pertinent if you're handloading. Most companies offer bullets in .311" diameter, which don't do well in many rifles. Hornady offers .312" diameter bullets, which makes a huge difference! Another note - try some 180 grain round nose ammo; if it won't shoot well with that, it simply won't shoot well. Many Lee Enfields also shoot very poorly with boattail bullets; try flat base bullets.
 
Anyone hunt with a 303 British Enfield? I'm having a problem getting mine to shoot consistent groups. Bullets seem to have a mind of their own and fly wherever they want, no matter what I do. Scope is torqued properly. Tried different ammo, both factory and reloads. 150 grain, 180 grain. Doesn't matter. I can't zero it. Got a mind of its own.
Its impossible to diagnose your problem without looking at the rifle but I have 7 British .303 rifles , one the much and unjustly denigrated "Jungle Carbine" and 6 No. 4 MK I's and every one is a tack driver. I have used various diameter jacketed bullets with no problem and mostly now shoot just cast bullet loads which again are outstandingly accurate and of course low cost to make and shoot.

All my Enfields have the 5 groove barrels, none the two groove barrels.

You did not state which model you have but "Herbert McBride" the famous Canadian/American sniper of WWI did state that the WWI Enfield, the MK III, was too inaccurate for sniping at long range. The British were well aware of this as well that is why the WWII No. 4 had a heavier barrel and most people do not know this but a partially floated barrel. Take a look sometime at the inside bottom of the forend and you will see deep wells separated by cross ridges of wood.

The other problem with all the Enfields was a horrendously heavy 8lb trigger pull. Mastering that trigger takes a lot of practice and "I am not" telling you to alter the trigger pull as there is great controversy surrounding this practice. I was so exasperated over this that I once on line said that I was going to ditch all of my Enfields until a guy from Britain sent me pages of tech data on the Enfield and also how to lighten the trigger pull. This I did and brought the trigger pulls down from 8lbs to 3 lbs and even 2 lbs.

Since parts now have become very scarce and expensive I do not recommend anyone "try this at home" because if you screw up you just ruined a historic military rifle.

Others have said that altering the trigger pull cuts through the case hardening and that the pull will soon disintegrate making the weapon unsafe to shoot but this has not happened to my Enfields but I do not pour thousands of rounds through them either, especially now that the cost of powder is now out of this world.

The cost of ammo has now become so outrageous most people I know have quite shooting centerfire and have gone back to their boyhood hobby of shooting the ubiquitous .22 rimfire and even quality ammo for them is outrageous costing $15 to $20 a box but since most people are weekend sandbag plinkers the good old standby Remington Thunder Turd does just fine in any low cost .22 plinker.

On the other hand if you are into competition benchrest shooting rifles costing as much as $3,000 do not win matches with any ammo except the super expensive match ammo. Your scores with plinker ammo would have you laughed off of the range.

Yes I often sit and think, as a starry eyed kid in the 50's starting out with a single shot $15.00 (new) Savage Springfield Rifle shooting 50 cent a box ammo, I have now gone full circle and ended up in old age once again shooting a single shot match rifle ($3,000) in .22 rimfire with $18 a box ammo.
 
Several good suggestions here. If everything is good and tight, with a milsurp rifle I'm going to suspect the bore. Give it a thorough scrubbing with properly fitting brass brush and a good bore solvent, patch it dry then have a visual of the bore with a good light and see how it looks. Even some fairly rough looking bores can sometimes still shoot decently. My own .303, a No. 5 Mk.1 (jungle carbine) doesn't have a perfect bore but will shoot 2" or better 100 yard groups with handloads and a scope (I don't have a scope on it anymore). I've killed several deer with it. Someone mentioned not getting good accuracy with 150 grain bullets but mine shot them as well as it did 174/180 grain bullets.
 

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