2011 Anyone?

[Kevin]

I guess it was 3 years ago that I got to shoot an STI (now Staccato) at Contender’s range. It was 40 caliber. And what a sweet gun.

I don’t compete but I’ve thought about the 2011 style pistol since then.

And now there are so many different brands. I don’t even know them all. Some are far too expensive.

But I’m thinking about getting one. No? Not the expensive brand. I see Sig makes them, So does Kimber. Even Springfield with one called the Prodigy.

Anyone have one? Interestingly, Kimber makes their gun chambered in .45 ACP. Neither Sig or Staccato does this.

Like I said I don’t compete, but I do like competition style guns.

Any thoughts about these 2011 style pistols?

I think Staccato trademarked the 2011 name, so Kimber has the 2k11 and Sig has the P211 GTO.

 

[gnappi]

High capacity 1911's are not new and certainly pre-date the 2011, Para-ordnance started the ball rolling long ago.

Today if you want a high capacity 1911 in anything but a 9mm you have slim pickings, zero if you want a .40. If you want a 9mm cruise a few gun shows and you'll find that a few clone makers have been making them.

I bought a Rock Island Armory (RIA) HC 10mm and replaced the slide with the RIA commander length slide in .40 and had a holster made for it all for about 1/3 the cost of a STI.

 

[Paul B]

I'm a big#1 fan of the1911, especially in .45 ACP. My normal carry piece is a Colt Combat Commander, .45AC naturally, that is for all practical purposes Strictly box stock. Well, maybe not quite. I have changed the grip safey to a beaver tail style but not for a tactical look, With the original safety the hammer would chew a hole in the web of my hand. No more blood drawn. The only other thing I did was polish the feed ramp and throat entrance for a little smoother feeding. That gun has been 100% reliable ever since regardless if Its +P+. or cast lead loads It shoots and feeds just fine. I did buy is second hand but whoever worked on the trigger of that gun knew what he was doing. I have two 1911s from the F. Bob Chow company that did business until San Francisco drove them out. They were the last operating LGS and gunsmith in town. Nice going you San Francisco jackasses. I don't know if tey ever reopened somewere els. One of the 1911s was rebuilt for me by old F Bob himself. I think the other one may have been made after he passed.
The unknown gun is a 1911 and has the 1911 style grip safety and is a hybrid based on a Caspian frame and Colt Gold cup upper. My other 1911a are in the 1911A1 style frame. It was built I believe to be a competition target gun and it shoots as if that's what it was meant to be. Except for the Caspian, all my 1911 style pistols are Colt guns.

PJ

 

[M118LR]

My hand was always to small for Para ordnance. So the Glock21SF was just what was order back then. But the manual of arms is totally different than a 1911.

 

[Jeepnik]

Actually there were homemade hi capacity magazines floating around long before Para Ordnance. I know one fellow who had some extended magazines made p for the 1911. They were made up from welded together magazine bodies. Looked like at least three or four mags stuck together. Not sure what was used for the spring, but the bottom section was the bottom of a magazine, and the top had the feed lips. He had a carrier that held three. Not sure what the total capacity was. And it they would extend well below the bottom of the frame. He carried a standard mag in the holstered pistol.

As far as "modified" firearms go, the only thing I saw that topped it was the M-2 carbine with the buttstock cut off and and the barrel chopped and crowned. Had to be loud, and the muzzle flash blinding. No sights.

 

[contender]

If I were to buy one today,, it'd be the Kimber 2K11. My youngest son just bought one. He called me AFTER he'd accidentally found one in a gun shop, felt it & fell in love.
I held his this past Saturday evening,, and I've already shot a few of them.

They shoot VERY well.

I like them better than the Staccato. And I've shot a few of those. The one you shot at my range had already had "mods" done to it. The Kimber,, comes "ready to use" w/o making any mods.

 

[Jim Walsh]

I love my 1911’s, I have three…so far. My Kimber Gold Match and my engraved Colt Government are wonderfully accurate and eye candy. I also have a Norinco I bought back in the 80’s when they were less than two hundred bucks which is an accurate shooter after a trigger job was done.

 

[azleite]

I had the MAC, the grip was too fat for my hand. Wasn’t all that impressed with the accuracy or trigger.

 

[blume357]

Can somebody explain to me what these 2011 pistols are? I kind of think I know but have been wrong in the past with my assumptions.

 

[azleite]

Double stack, high capacity modular 1911’s. Mostly 9mm these days. How’s the ankle?

 

[Watertender]

In the 1930's Hyman Lebman made extended 1911 magazines for the machine pistols he made for gangsters such as John Dillinger.
I can also remember seeing the extended magazines in old law enforcement catalogs from that era

 

[blume357]

Double stack, high capacity modular 1911’s. Mostly 9mm these days. How’s the ankle?

that's what I was thinking.. I went to the Sig Sauer site and could not find any mention of a 2011 but did find their P 211. which I think is the same... high capacity pistol with a hammer and single action only with a safety? My concern would be the thickness of the grip... I do not like the factory grip on the standard Sig P226 and have had to change all mine to thin G10s... the legions come with a thinner grip.
contenders suggestion of a Kimbel I can't argue with because he has the experience...
I was leaning toward the Sig just because that's my 'club'... if the P211 is anything close to the legion P226 SAO I have then I'd go for it.
in relooking at the Sig sight, I don't like their race gun 'GTO" model... just a tad too much for me and the bottom of the grip plate and extended magazines hanging down are just plain ugly... but the carry and duty models look pretty good... if I was really tempted and flush I'd probably go with either of those and a red dot on it as long as it allows the sights on the slide still to be used.

 

[Watertender]

I found a picture of an extended magazine for the 1911 in a reprint of the Shooter's Bible from 1940. It says it's a discontinued item but they did have them for sale at one time.

 

[Neon Vernon]

A retired LEO that shoots in our local match bought a Tisas 2011 type. It didn't break the bank and it ran right out of the box. Might be a good entry into the platform to see how much you'd like to pursue that route.

 

[contender]

Yes,, the 2011, Y211 etc types of pistols are a double-stack, wider grip frame type of 1911. And as such,, they do allow for more ammo than a single-stack type. Yes,, there are "extended" magazines that stick out the bottom of the grip frame. But there are also flush ones too.
And while many feel that they may be too wide & bulky,, I always suggest a person try one first. The design and materials,, actually make them more comfortable than a person may think.
The 2011 design was basically a "race gun" design for competition. Early types were also built for people who wanted a higher capacity in a "normal" sized package. Para-Ordinance built many early double-stack frames.

In USPSA,, there is a maximum length of a magazine for some of the categories. This includes the 2011 types. When what is commonly called "the big stick" magazines are used,, they do stick out the bottom of the magwell. (This is what Blume is referring to.) And many companies build magazine base pads & spring designs to allow a competitor an extra round or 3 for the potential of less reloading a firearm during a course of fire. Reloading takes time & that affects the scores.

 

[blume357]

one of the things contender 'taught' me when we were playing at competition at his place is that you reload while moving from one part of the course to another to acquire targets... with a semi-auto before you run dry...quicker.

 

[warren5421]

I have a STI PERFECT 10 with a 6”-barrel, 10 mm. I carried IWB for several years. Grip was bigger than my 1911's but seemed to fit my small hands ok. Still have it, somewhere between 10,000 and 15, 000 rounds have gone through it with no malfunctions. Just had a Bar-Sto threaded barrel put in it and finish redone on slide from sweat getting to it.


Today I would have one built on a Fusion slide and frame in 10 mm or .45 ACP.

I have shot both coyotes and hogs with the 10 mm and really like how the 180 gr lead RNFP bullet performs on both animals. If needed it should do for humans also.

I have a STI in 9mm but reach for the 10 mm if I need to take care of an animal. They both shoot about the same, just like the 10 mm better.