10/22 Magnum extractor question

[retired@2006]

I have a 10/22 magnum with twin extractors, what was the issue with these and what was the remedy ?

 

[Mauser9]

Wish I would have bought one! Heard the issue was the power curve of the 22 mag. Thought I read somewhere those Volquarson or whatever they are called extractors may solve the problem to some extent. Believe the receiver is steel on them and not aluminum. Wish Ruger could take another crack at this model in 22 magnum. Savage had luck with the delayed bolt system with the A-22 mag.

 

[hittman]

I cant remember which is which but seems all had a reputation of being unreliable. Thats likely why they were discontinued and Ruger won’t service them.

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[WanderLust]

I seem to recall seeing advice to remove one of the two extractors, with better aftermarket remedies available.
Since I didn't have one, I didn't read it very deeply. I would do a search here or on Rimfirecentral.

 

[rugerjunkie]

The issue was the single extractor in the first version not working properly and the dual extractors were to fix that. I have no firsthand experience to comment on an upgrade to Voltquartsen parts working better than the factory parts on this model or if they fixed the issues with the single extractor.

 

[JBP]

I have a 10/22 magnum with twin extractors, what was the issue with these and what was the remedy ?

The original configuration was only one extractor which was causing FTE's. That's what I had. Sent it back to Ruger when they added the 2nd extractor and haven’t had a FTE since in over 20 yeara.

 

[Mauser9]

Good for you JBP. OK Ruger take another crack at em. Could be a marketing issue I admit with the FTE with the older ones though.

 

[9x19]

The issue with them was their extractors were a stamped piece with poor shape... most of us with the early models just replaced the extractor with a Volquartsen.

Ruger's idea was the second extractor, but some had issues with the inner extractor getting wedged between the receiver wall and bolt, and actually causing damage to the tungsten bolt.... so wary owners of the new models, removed the inner extractor and replaced the outer with one from Volquartsen.

 

[hittman]

Dang auto correct …….

 

[KIR]

Before my wife passed away, she told me not to grieve and go out and purchase another firearm. She was wise in so many ways. My son got some leave time from the Army and I took him out to Cabelas, west of Reno, as he had never been there. While there I found the following:
Remington Model No. 597 Semi-Auto .22 Magnum Rifle 20" Barrel
Manufactured in Mayfield, KY Code # 2 L U 14 L U = Feb' 2000
Purchased from Cabelas, Reno, NV 4-08 $200
Mfg. Date: The code on the left sideof the barrel is…2 L U 14. February 2000
The L = February and the U = 2000
Remington 597 have only beenmanufactured since 1997, so it would have to have been the year 2000. Note: Remington stopped stamping the barrels on the left side forthe years 1999, 2000 and 2001. They only printed the code on theboxes. However, my 597 is stamped!
I have the Synthetic Stock
TheModel 597M™ is easily the most advanced autoloading rimfire rifleever built, and the most technologically advanced breakthrough inautoloading rimfire rifle technology in 35 years. The differencestarts with our proprietary bolt-guidance system, which features aunique set of twin tool-steel guide rails for better stability,feeding reliability and greater out-of-the-box accuracy.
Ofcourse, we didn't stop there. The bolt, hammer and sear of theModel 597™ all feature an exclusive nickel-Teflon® plating forsmooth, dependable operation and an ultra-crisp trigger pull. Toassure reliable, long-term accuracy, we've also incorporated aunique positive-locking, permanently rigid barrel attachment clamp.Receivers are grooved for standard rimfire mounts and tapped/drilledfor Weaver-style bases. Completing the breakthrough design are aninnovative last-shot "hold open" magazine feature and ourpatented, easy-to-use staggered-stack magazine.


KEYFEATURES:
-Bolt-guidance system features twin, tool-steel guide rails
- Searand hammer are Teflon®/nickel-plated for crisp, smooth triggerpull
- Non-glare matte finish
- Adjustable big game ironsights
- Patented drop-out staggered-stack, detachable, 8-shotmetal box magazine
- Last-shot "hold open" bolt foradded safety
- Unique attachment system rigidly joins barrel toreceiver for perfect alignment and enhanced accuracy.

Additional Information​

Manufacturer​	Remington​
Condition​	Used​
Caliber​	22 WMR​
Manufacturer SKU​	6560​
Capacity​	8+1​
Finish​	Blued-Steel​
Stock Color​	Grey synthetic stock​
OA Length ​	40"​
Weight (empty)​	5.5 lbs​
Barrel Length​	20" 1:14.25" RH twist​
Safety Type​	Cross Bolt​
Detachable Magazine​	Yes​
Trigger Operation​	Single-Action (SA)​

Drop at comb 1.5"
Drop at heel 2.25"
Nickel-Teflon plating on bolt, hammerand sear
Twin tool-steel guide rails
Installed Bushnell Trophy Red/Green DotScope 1 x 28
In 2018, installed VolquartsenExtractor: Solved the FTF/FTE problems that I thought themagazines were causing.
01/19/2006
Remington hasmade 3 different magazines for the 597. Only the 3rd generationmagazine is reliable. The 1st one was plastic and bad. The 2nd onewas metal and still was poor. The 3rd one was the best, and isdifferent from the 2nd by a few things. The plastic base is thickerthan the 2nd. The bottom of the base says model 597, instead of model597 22 lr that is on the 2nd one.
One more thing, is on the side; it has#10 circled, and the 2nd generation has no circle just 10. However, Ithink this refers to ten rounds. Remington has fixed the majority oftheir feeding problems with their 3rd magazine. It has the #8imprinted on the magazine.
Need to buy two new .22 WMR magazines.Replace # 1 and # 3. #1 Both plastic bases seem to be loose. #3 wasthe one that was hanging up.
May 26, 2020:
Finally got around to taking out therifle and the new extractor worked great. #1 magazine still had 3 FTFissues and #3 had one out of 20 rounds each.
Just found out that there is a Fourthgeneration, are coated in black and are made of plastic...again! Ibought six more magazines for a new total of nine. Three in black.
The597 had at least four generations of magazines. Early magazines weremade of plastic andcaused a number of feeding problemswhen loaded with more than three to four rounds. This early magazinewas seen as a major detractor to what was otherwise a good rifle. Asthe magazine aged and dirt, oil and unburned powder gotground into the magazine and the follower, the feeding problems couldincrease.
Thesecond generation of magazines was madefrom investment-cast aluminum alloy.These were available for purchase in the year 2000. The base cap andfollower were still made of plastic.This new magazine was a great improvement over the first generation.The new-style magazine was shipped with the later rifles. Thesemagazines were also available separately for purchase.
Thethird generation of magazines was very similar to the secondgeneration with only small differences, but a noticeable improvementin reliability. Third-generation magazines can be identified by thenumber "10" stamped on the side; the second generation hasjust "10", while the third generation also has a circlestamped around the number.[3]
Thefourth-generation magazine features a black coating which is intendedto improve feed reliability. I was told that these black plasticmagazines were actually the first generation???
Aftermarketextended-capacity magazines are also available.
ThingsI would check (aside from the magazine), are the guide rods (theyshould only be snugged up, not tightened), and the barrel screw (makesure its not pushing against the barrel). After that I would makesure you clean the barrel really well.
RECOMMENDED
For the Remington 597, the following isrecommended:
[email protected]
#VCREE Extractor $19.60
Target Hammer $45
Spring? Plunger?

GOOD LUCK and GOOD SHOOTIN' to all!

 

[Air-cooled]

Before my wife passed away, she told me not to grieve and go out and purchase another firearm. She was wise in so many ways. My son got some leave time from the Army and I took him out to Cabelas, west of Reno, as he had never been there. While there I found the following:
Remington Model No. 597 Semi-Auto .22 Magnum Rifle 20" Barrel
Manufactured in Mayfield, KY Code # 2 L U 14 L U = Feb' 2000
Purchased from Cabelas, Reno, NV 4-08 $200
Mfg. Date: The code on the left sideof the barrel is…2 L U 14. February 2000
The L = February and the U = 2000
Remington 597 have only beenmanufactured since 1997, so it would have to have been the year 2000. Note: Remington stopped stamping the barrels on the left side forthe years 1999, 2000 and 2001. They only printed the code on theboxes. However, my 597 is stamped!
I have the Synthetic Stock
TheModel 597M™ is easily the most advanced autoloading rimfire rifleever built, and the most technologically advanced breakthrough inautoloading rimfire rifle technology in 35 years. The differencestarts with our proprietary bolt-guidance system, which features aunique set of twin tool-steel guide rails for better stability,feeding reliability and greater out-of-the-box accuracy.
Ofcourse, we didn't stop there. The bolt, hammer and sear of theModel 597™ all feature an exclusive nickel-Teflon® plating forsmooth, dependable operation and an ultra-crisp trigger pull. Toassure reliable, long-term accuracy, we've also incorporated aunique positive-locking, permanently rigid barrel attachment clamp.Receivers are grooved for standard rimfire mounts and tapped/drilledfor Weaver-style bases. Completing the breakthrough design are aninnovative last-shot "hold open" magazine feature and ourpatented, easy-to-use staggered-stack magazine.


KEYFEATURES:
-Bolt-guidance system features twin, tool-steel guide rails
- Searand hammer are Teflon®/nickel-plated for crisp, smooth triggerpull
- Non-glare matte finish
- Adjustable big game ironsights
- Patented drop-out staggered-stack, detachable, 8-shotmetal box magazine
- Last-shot "hold open" bolt foradded safety
- Unique attachment system rigidly joins barrel toreceiver for perfect alignment and enhanced accuracy.

Additional Information​

Manufacturer​	Remington​
Condition​	Used​
Caliber​	22 WMR​
Manufacturer SKU​	6560​
Capacity​	8+1​
Finish​	Blued-Steel​
Stock Color​	Grey synthetic stock​
OA Length ​	40"​
Weight (empty)​	5.5 lbs​
Barrel Length​	20" 1:14.25" RH twist​
Safety Type​	Cross Bolt​
Detachable Magazine​	Yes​
Trigger Operation​	Single-Action (SA)​

Drop at comb 1.5"
Drop at heel 2.25"
Nickel-Teflon plating on bolt, hammerand sear
Twin tool-steel guide rails
Installed Bushnell Trophy Red/Green DotScope 1 x 28
In 2018, installed VolquartsenExtractor: Solved the FTF/FTE problems that I thought themagazines were causing.
01/19/2006
Remington hasmade 3 different magazines for the 597. Only the 3rd generationmagazine is reliable. The 1st one was plastic and bad. The 2nd onewas metal and still was poor. The 3rd one was the best, and isdifferent from the 2nd by a few things. The plastic base is thickerthan the 2nd. The bottom of the base says model 597, instead of model597 22 lr that is on the 2nd one.
One more thing, is on the side; it has#10 circled, and the 2nd generation has no circle just 10. However, Ithink this refers to ten rounds. Remington has fixed the majority oftheir feeding problems with their 3rd magazine. It has the #8imprinted on the magazine.
Need to buy two new .22 WMR magazines.Replace # 1 and # 3. #1 Both plastic bases seem to be loose. #3 wasthe one that was hanging up.
May 26, 2020:
Finally got around to taking out therifle and the new extractor worked great. #1 magazine still had 3 FTFissues and #3 had one out of 20 rounds each.
Just found out that there is a Fourthgeneration, are coated in black and are made of plastic...again! Ibought six more magazines for a new total of nine. Three in black.
The597 had at least four generations of magazines. Early magazines weremade of plastic andcaused a number of feeding problemswhen loaded with more than three to four rounds. This early magazinewas seen as a major detractor to what was otherwise a good rifle. Asthe magazine aged and dirt, oil and unburned powder gotground into the magazine and the follower, the feeding problems couldincrease.
Thesecond generation of magazines was madefrom investment-cast aluminum alloy.These were available for purchase in the year 2000. The base cap andfollower were still made of plastic.This new magazine was a great improvement over the first generation.The new-style magazine was shipped with the later rifles. Thesemagazines were also available separately for purchase.
Thethird generation of magazines was very similar to the secondgeneration with only small differences, but a noticeable improvementin reliability. Third-generation magazines can be identified by thenumber "10" stamped on the side; the second generation hasjust "10", while the third generation also has a circlestamped around the number.[3]
Thefourth-generation magazine features a black coating which is intendedto improve feed reliability. I was told that these black plasticmagazines were actually the first generation???
Aftermarketextended-capacity magazines are also available.
ThingsI would check (aside from the magazine), are the guide rods (theyshould only be snugged up, not tightened), and the barrel screw (makesure its not pushing against the barrel). After that I would makesure you clean the barrel really well.
RECOMMENDED
For the Remington 597, the following isrecommended:
[email protected]
#VCREE Extractor $19.60
Target Hammer $45
Spring? Plunger?

GOOD LUCK and GOOD SHOOTIN' to all!

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