10-22 dry fire

[smokndav]

I am a member here but admit to not coming here often. If this has been covered recently just refer me to that thread.
I just attended an Appleseed shooting clinic and was very surprised to hear the instructors say it was perfectly ok to dry fire the Ruger 10-22 and they instructed all 15 of us (all were using the 10-22) how to practice trigger control by dry firing many times in succession and continue to do this at home. Just being me, I questioned this for the obvious reasons (to me) They assured me and everyone that it would not harm the 10-22 and that they had checked with Ruger to confirm this. I opted not to dry fire mine (SR22) so they brought me a loaner to use for the exercise.
Thoughts on this please.

 

[Snake45]

Thoughts on this please.

Why? If you won't take Ruger's word on it (and it's in the owner's manual), whose word here would you take? :? :? :? :?

 

[smokndav]

Thoughts on this please.

Why? If you won't take Ruger's word on it (and it's in the owner's manual), whose word here would you take? :? :? :? :?

I came here for the info you supplied but did not expect such a smart ass response.
I did not get the original info direct from Ruger and did not know it was in the owners manual.
thanks, I think

 

[Snake45]

Always glad to help. :wink:

 

[Precision32]

I instruct with Project Appleseed. We are not going to tell you anything that would damage your rifle.

Just curious. Ruger stamps right on the barrel to read the manual before using the rifle. They provide the manual with every rifle and will send you one free if you can't find it. Its available on line.

WHY do you not read the manual before firing the rifle??? :roll:

I will assume that you dry fired the loaner rife? So it's OK to do it to someone else's rifle but not yours?

 

[smokndav]

I do not assume that just because someone that I do not know says something that it is correct. I certainly have the right to question it. I have been told many things in my 65 years by socalled experts that was pure bull. If they want me to dry their rifle then I am ok with it. It was their idea and insisted I practice the trigger control. Thats fine, it does work and I had a hard time remembering to do it, especially in the timed sessions.
I do read the manuals but must have forgotten that part or just simply missed it. I am sure you have never forgotten anything you have read. After all , you are an instructor. And a jerk. Because of your smart ass remarks I will certainly never attend another Appleseed and will not promote it in the future.
The instructors I had were gentlemen, but one of them certainly did not like me questioning the dry fire, BUT, he was a gentleman about it. Unlike you.
I will forward these e-mails to Appleseed.

 

[Snake45]

I do not assume that just because someone that I do not know says something that it is correct.

Then I still don't understand why you would ask for our

Thoughts on this please.

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Or were you just looking for someone to tell you that the Appleseed instructors were full of crap?

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[Jwp721]

Wow guys! Can't we be a little friendlier around here?

OP it is ok to dry fire your SR22 and the 10/22. The Mk versions should not be dry fired.

 

[9x19]

Not hard to figure why the OP doesn't come by very often.

The design of the Ruger 10/22 uses a firing pin that does not have enough travel to hit the breech. As such it is incapable of damaging the chamber by dry-firing.

I'm not much impressed with the Appleseed shoots myself.

 

[smokndav]

I do not assume that just because someone that I do not know says something that it is correct.

Then I still don't understand why you would ask for our

Thoughts on this please.

:? :? :? :? :? :? :?

Or were you just looking for someone to tell you that the Appleseed instructors were full of crap?

:? :? :? :? :? :? :? :?

Yes, I did think they were full of crap but did not say that. I simply voiced my opinion and declined to dry fire my rifle. I certainly have that right. The only intelligent thing you have said was to refer me to the owners manual. You could have left it at that but instead had to be a butt hole in the process.

 

[smokndav]

Wow guys! Can't we be a little friendlier around here?

OP it is ok to dry fire your SR22 and the 10/22. The Mk versions should not be dry fired.

I just ask a simple question, or so I thought.

 

[smokndav]

Not hard to figure why the OP doesn't come by very often.

The design of the Ruger 10/22 uses a firing pin that does not have enough travel to hit the breech. As such it is incapable of damaging the chamber by dry-firing.

I'm not much impressed with the Appleseed shoots myself.

I was ok with day one but by day 2 I was tired, had very sore elbows and my scores went downhill with every target. Day 2 seemed more like a boot camp in the military than something that should be fun.
I was a patriot before I got there but did enjoy the detailed history the instructors talked about. I had never heard it before and was very impressed. I came away no more a patriot but a better rifleman in the old military style of shooting.

 

[Snake45]

You could have left it at that but instead had to be a butt hole in the process.

Read back through the thread and see who's insulted whom here. :? :? :?

 

[Precision32]

They assured me and everyone that it would not harm the 10-22 and that they had checked with Ruger to confirm this.

This statement is the reason for my comments. If the Project Appleseed instructors told you they checked with Ruger and Ruger themselves said it was OK to dry fire the rifle, why would you believe the members of this Forum any more than you did the Appleseed instructors? You basically implied that the Appleseed Instructors were lying to you.

Please, tell me who threw the first stone?

I'm sure if you send the posts to Appleseed they will cut my pay, which is exactly NOTHING. I gave away 34 days, seventeen weekends, plus travel and lodging expenses last year to teach my fellow Americans how to shoot better. What did you do?

 

[smokndav]

this is my last attempt to try and explain. As I have already said, I do not always take everything everyone says as gospel or fact. I most certainly was not calling anyone a lyer ,I just wanted to confirm one thing. Were they correct about the dry fire or was I correct. Turns out they were correct and I accept that and gain knowledge in the process.
The only problem I have are the folks reading something into my question that was not there and getting smart ass comments along with the answer I was looking for.
Not all of us can be instructors or even want to be instructors, but I am glad you volunteer your time to help out.
I am a Viet Nam vet with 8 years military service to this great country that we are loosing at a very fast rate to socialism. I do what I can while working 2 jobs to be a good patriot and spread the good word.
thats all folks

 

[DGW1949]

Thyis may be too little/too late....but....

Snake aint a smart *ss, he just talks plainer than some folks is used to.

I understand the concern(s) that are associated with dry-firing guns, particularly .22 rim-fire guns.
Perhaps the instructor in question should have explained to you WHY it is OK to dry fire your 10-22, instead of saying "because Ruger said so". After all, adults most-usualy require a bit-different of an an answer than does a child.....meaning that "because daddy said so" aint much of an answer for an adult with an equiptment concern.
And BTW, 9X19 has given you the correct answer.

As far as the old-school, 3-position methods of shooting goes.....if it makes you tired 'n sore to the point that effects your shooting, ya either aint doing it right, aint in shape, aint using a proper ground cover, need to practice more, or some combination of them four. At any rate, quitting won't fix any of that.

DGW....who talks perty-plain too.

 

[Precision32]

The only problem I have are the folks reading something into my question that was not there and getting smart ass comments along with the answer I was looking for.

If I was a little to blunt for your taste, my apologizes. No one will ever accuse me of being PC. :wink:

The Instructor may not KNOW the WHY of it being OK to dry fire the 10-22. Just because they know how to instruct does not mean they understand how the gun works. Like ODDBALL in "Kelley's Heroes." "I just drive 'em man, I don't know what makes them go." I had an Instructor a couple of weeks ago explain that "take up" is the first stage of the trigger pull and that the 10-22 has a two stage trigger.

BTW, thanks for your service.

 

[Snake45]

Snake aint a smart *ss....

Now, don't go spreadin' THAT around. You'll ruin my reputation! :wink: :lol: :lol: :twisted:

 

[smokndav]

Thyis may be too little/too late....but....

Snake aint a smart *ss, he just talks plainer than some folks is used to.

I understand the concern(s) that are associated with dry-firing guns, particularly .22 rim-fire guns.
Perhaps the instructor in question should have explained to you WHY it is OK to dry fire your 10-22, instead of saying "because Ruger said so". After all, adults most-usualy require a bit-different of an an answer than does a child.....meaning that "because daddy said so" aint much of an answer for an adult with an equiptment concern.
And BTW, 9X19 has given you the correct answer.

As far as the old-school, 3-position methods of shooting goes.....if it makes you tired 'n sore to the point that effects your shooting, ya either aint doing it right, aint in shape, aint using a proper ground cover, need to practice more, or some combination of them four. At any rate, quitting won't fix any of that.

DGW....who talks perty-plain too.

I think I was doing it right and had the same Midway mat that most had. Even had some cushy elbow pads. The other items you have exactly right. Out of shape, yes, practice, none. All of the shooters there except for the very young were very tired and had sore and bleeding elbows. I shot almost 600 rds, mostly 10 at a time, so that means many, many times up and down. I don't regret doing it but I should have stopped around noon on the 2nd day. From there every target was worse than the one before and I was just wasting ammo.
I do regret not getting the rifleman patch, missed it by 9 points on the 1st day. Downhill from there. Dag nab it

 

[mikld]

Well, for you "READ THE MANUAL" guys, the only mention I found in my brand spanking new 10-22 instruction booklet, is on page 17 and only one sentence long. It is under the 10-22 Target Rifle Only heading. " You should practice "dry firing" an empty rifle [with it pointing in a safe direction] to learn the "feel" of the trigger before ever loading it with ammunition". So, not owning a "Target 10-22, I would not/did not read the entire section, and even those smart-azz "experts" wouldn't either, I'd bet...

I can full understand why a gun owner would double check anything, any practice that might do harm to his gun, and coming to a forum entitled "Ruger Rimfires", he might get an honest answer, rather than an azz chewing. Had he known the reaction to his question by the forum gurus, I'm sure he would have gone to RimfireCentral...

 

[Snake45]

I can full understand why a gun owner would double check anything, any practice that might do harm to his gun, and coming to a forum entitled "Ruger Rimfires", he might get an honest answer, rather than an azz chewing. Had he known the reaction to his question by the forum gurus, I'm sure he would have gone to RimfireCentral...

You missed the point completely, which was, if he didn't believe the Appleseed guys on the topic, why on earth would he believe anybody here? :? :? :? :?

I think he wanted someone to tell him that he was right and the Appleseed guys were wrong, that you should never, never, never dry-fire your 10/22, it can ruin it, etc. Then he'd have been happy!

BTW, page 22 of the current 10/22 manual, which can be viewed by anyone online, free, says "The rifle can be 'dry fired' for practice as long as it is empty and pointed in a safe direction." So there you have it. :wink:

 

[bobster]

Some people just have to get the last word in. Usually because they don't know what they are talking about.

 

[Kyberz]

I can full understand why a gun owner would double check anything, any practice that might do harm to his gun, and coming to a forum entitled "Ruger Rimfires", he might get an honest answer, rather than an azz chewing. Had he known the reaction to his question by the forum gurus, I'm sure he would have gone to RimfireCentral...

You missed the point completely, which was, if he didn't believe the Appleseed guys on the topic, why on earth would he believe anybody here? :? :? :? :?

I think he wanted someone to tell him that he was right and the Appleseed guys were wrong, that you should never, never, never dry-fire your 10/22, it can ruin it, etc. Then he'd have been happy!

BTW, page 22 of the current 10/22 manual, which can be viewed by anyone online, free, says "The rifle can be 'dry fired' for practice as long as it is empty and pointed in a safe direction." So there you have it. :wink:

Smokndav asked an honest question and I'm sure he expected honest informative responses/opinions. Not smug condescending ones. Remember, there is no such thing as a stupid question, only a stupid answer. In other words, I suggest you look up the words tact and decorum.

 

[mikld]

When you say you "think" you know what he meant/wanted and not what he asked you made a huge assumption. A giant leap to a WAG. And you know what they say about one that assumes...

 

[Precision32]

Just being me, I questioned this for the obvious reasons (to me) They assured me and everyone that it would not harm the 10-22 and that they had checked with Ruger to confirm this. I opted not to dry fire mine (SR22) so they brought me a loaner to use for the exercise.
Thoughts on this please.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I believe Kyberz post was directed at me. Could be wrong, that has happened before.

I don't see smokndav's "obvious reasons" for questioning the Appleseed Instructor, other than the fact he did not believe the Instructor was being truthful about dry firing and having checked with Ruger. He was more than willing to run the rifle of someone else, but not his?

Smokndav asked an honest question and I'm sure he expected honest informative responses/opinions.

He got "honest informative responses," it was the opinions he did not like. He may not have meant it as calling the AS Instructor a lyre, but that was how it was taken. How else could it be taken?

Now, tell me about "tact and decorum" please. :?

 

[Snake45]

He may not have meant it as calling the AS Instructor a lyre, but that was how it was taken. How else could it be taken?

That's the way I took it. It was pretty clear. :wink:

 

[mikld]

Personally, I only read the black letters...
Nuf said, outta here.

 

[rodsanlsutigerfan]

New member here. Hello everyone!

I have been an observer of this forum for some time now. I have found it to be very informative to learn about Ruger products. I also go to Rimfire Central as well as Rugerforum.net. I have seen posts like this one here before. It is sad to see this thread. Those that have taken what appear to be shots at others on this thread when someone was only trying to learn and get assistance does not speak well for this forum. The knowledge of the members of this forum has impressed me for a long time. I do not wish to rankle anyone's feathers, but I hope if I have a request for assistance it does not receive the type response this gentleman has received. My knowledge of guns is greatly lacking---that is why I am on these sites trying to learn. If I get responses like some of those on this thread, my membership participation on this forumwill be shortlived. I hope to be a member for a long time. You guys are extremely knowledgable about Ruger and I hope to learn from you. Again, I don't wish to offend anyone with anything I have said, but the folks on this forum are better than what is represented by some comments made on this thread. I know----I have been reading this forum for a while.

 

[Kevin]

I would say you are correct. In general the people on this forum are gracious in sharing their kmowledge. Even people in this thread. Speaking personally I have been in bad moods before and this shows in my posts if I am on the forum at the time. I too came here originally looking for information about a new purchase (GP100) and since then, mostly because of this forum 8 of the last 10 guns i have bought have been Rugers.

Welcome to the forum and stick around. I think you will learn something and I also think this thread is an exception.

 

[Precision32]

The OP would have gotten the same response on RFC as he got here. I post there all the time and there have been several heated debates on various subjects. You don't even want to ask which way the hammer strut "C" clip goes on a 10-22. I teach people how to fix their firearms, not just how to buy parts from the sponsors. That wizzes some people off.

IMHO, the question should have been asked "Is it OK to dry fire a 10-22?" He could have asked the question with out even mentioning Appleseed. He would have gotten an informative and polite answer. It was his implying that the AS Instructor for some reason lied to him that brought on the negative responses on my part.

I've been instructing with Project Appleseed for over four years now. These people, who give of their time for nothing but the satisfaction of seeing their fellow Americans learn how to shoot and learn of the true events of April 19, 1775, are closer to me that some members of my family. I know for fact that if the SHTF, these same people would be there covering my back, as I would theirs. So yes, I take offense when someone challenges their integrity. If you have not gone to a Project Appleseed event, find an one in your neighborhood and see for yourself.

You'll always get a polite and hopefully a helpful response from me, just don't frame your question with an attack on the integrity of others. I really don't think that's asking too much.