New Ruger LC 45 and 5.7x28 sales
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GunnyGene
Hawkeye
Those outa work!The 45 has only been available for about 5 months, so I wouldn't expect to see any info about how they're selling for at least another 6 months and probably longer. That said, I just got this delivery from Underwood today(200rnds).
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925 fps from a pistol, should do about 1050 out of your carbine.
GunnyGene
Hawkeye
I got a 45 carbine for my hunting camp. we love it
vlavalle
Blackhawk
I am the one with a ballistics file (35 handgun and 25 rifle calibers), and I have the ammo in my file, available today by 3 different retail outlets, and the price varies from $25.99 to $29.99. But the interesting thing is that this is not a very fast +P, which is only at 925 fps, as compared to the 'standard' at 850 fps.. But on the plus side, the bullet is 255 gr instead of the norm 230 or the lighter 185, and it is a hard cast bullet too. The power is only 425 ft, lbs, which is very mediocre. A powerful .45 ACP round is in the high 500's or low 600's.The 45 has only been available for about 5 months, so I wouldn't expect to see any info about how they're selling for at least another 6 months and probably longer. That said, I just got this delivery from Underwood today(200rnds).
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I don't know of a factory loaded 230 FMJ-45ACP that actually reaches it's claimed 850-890 FPS out of a 5" 1911. Heck, some of 'em don't even get out of the 700 range....Just sayin'.
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GunnyGene
Hawkeye
Agree, which is why I don't bother using it in a handgun. This is specifically for my LC45 carbine. You don't get much added MV or ME from +P in a 5" barrel, nor does a standard velocity benefit much from a 16" barrel. But +P does quite well in the longer barrel. It's all about matching up the ammo with the gun. Same goes for other pistol calibers.
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http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/45auto2.htmlPretty cool website.
No 255+P data here but they do have 230 BB +P numbers.
A 16.6" Beretta CX4 did 1,124 FPS with this load
A G21 with a 4.6" bbl did 951 FPS. Pretty respectable increase in velocity and energy for both.
The Glock with 230 FMJ BB std velocity did 829 FPS which is close to industry quoted numbers for 230 hard ball.
The 16.6" Beretta did 933 FPS, almost a 200 FPS increase.
According to their website, Buffalo Bore Hard Cast 255+P BB gives 960 FPS out of a 5" Gold Cup.
I would wager that in the 16" Ruger LC the 255+P Underwood would at least give around 1,150-1,175.
That's a serious load out to 75-100yds.
No 255+P data here but they do have 230 BB +P numbers.
A 16.6" Beretta CX4 did 1,124 FPS with this load
A G21 with a 4.6" bbl did 951 FPS. Pretty respectable increase in velocity and energy for both.
The Glock with 230 FMJ BB std velocity did 829 FPS which is close to industry quoted numbers for 230 hard ball.
The 16.6" Beretta did 933 FPS, almost a 200 FPS increase.
According to their website, Buffalo Bore Hard Cast 255+P BB gives 960 FPS out of a 5" Gold Cup.
I would wager that in the 16" Ruger LC the 255+P Underwood would at least give around 1,150-1,175.
That's a serious load out to 75-100yds.
vlavalle
Blackhawk
Do you own a chronograph, and have tested them? If so, what specific ammo have you tested?
vlavalle
Blackhawk
Very interesting! I did not know that you could shoot .45 ACP in a rifle. But if it shoot .45 LC, I guess that makes sense. Do you have any idea what fps you get out of the LC45 carbine with either the .45LC rounds or the .45ACP rounds?Agree, which is why I don't bother using it in a handgun. This is specifically for my LC45 carbine. You don't get much added MV or ME from +P in a 5" barrel, nor does a standard velocity benefit much from a 16" barrel. But +P does quite well in the longer barrel. It's all about matching up the ammo with the gun. Same goes for other pistol calibers.
vlavalle
Blackhawk
This is a very interesting site! But it does not in general give the gun, just the barrel length, although the length given for pistols is not really the actual barrel length. They are shorter than what is stated by the gun manufacturer. But I do love seeing the different speeds based on the barrel length. Buffalo Bore's 255 gr hard cast ammo is rated by Buffalo Bore to be 925 fps., and at 960 from the gun you mention. So, I am thinking that this website is just giving us the manufacturer's stats, and not getting them on their own. I also had to force going to this site because of a security breach in its design, missing some certificate.
It's the Ruger LC Carbine of the topic. Comes in 5.7 or .45
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GunnyGene
Hawkeye
They quit updating the site a few years ago. If I had a working chronometer, I'd do that, but a decent one (LabRadar or similar) is more money than I care to spend on something I'd only use once or twice.
Some numbers in this video, nothing for 255grn, but can be estimated if you use the percent MV/ME increase between 5" & 16" barrel, and adjust for weight to get a approximation.
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Look lower on the page, there are specific guns listed.
GunnyGene
Hawkeye
Let's make a clear distinction here. The Ruger LC45 Carbine Model Num 19309 is a new design .45ACP gun rated for +P. It has nothing to do with any other cartridge, and will not load or fire .45 Long Colt.
GunnyGene
Hawkeye
It's not a "Charger". Or a PC Carbine, or a Mini-Ranch. Or anything else you can think of. Nomenclature matters.
NikA
Hunter
I don't have a LC45, but I do have a .45 ACP carbine that I've fired standard ball ammo through. 8 inch and 10 inch barrel. Standard ball ammo remains subsonic except when there is bullet setback, then it occasionally goes transonic/supersonic. That occurs between 1050 and 1100 fps, so I'd bet standard ball clocks between 1000 and 1050. Someday I will get around to do load development instead of playing with hardware and measure it.
Read the description of the BBTI experiment; they absolutely collected their own data. It was a huge and very valuable insight into the real world performance of ammo when that data was published, and it still provides valuable insight that cannot be easily obtained by reviewing the data from the majority of manufacturers.
I believe the LC carbine is a blowback action. I had a blowback 45 ACP carbine a few years ago, Marlin Camp Carbine, with a 16" barrel and it actually was slower than my 5" 1911. I attributed that to the blowback action robbing some of the energy. These weren't +P loads tho, and I expect that would make a difference. I now have a CMMG radially delayed 45 ACP AR-15 because blowback....blows....
I still think the Ruger is a cool gun tho, and might get one someday?!?!?
I still think the Ruger is a cool gun tho, and might get one someday?!?!?
GunnyGene
Hawkeye
You're correct on the action. Although the design may mitigate some of the energy loss. +P does make a significant difference as shown in the chart up thread, and in the link below for standard velocity ammo.
https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/review-ruger-lc-carbine-45-acp/
Another less obvious factor that adds to its compact design is its unique blowback action. Using a bolt that slides partially over the barrel, the required mass for proper semi-automatic function is displaced forward, as is the receiver space needed for reliable cycling. Since material is needed in this area for the other operating components anyway, this system is inherently efficient.
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zaitcev
Bearcat
bandaidmd
Bearcat
just won a LC 5.7 at a gun bash last weekend . Another addition the the Ruger stable.
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Drayks
Bearcat
Just bought the LC Carbine in 45 ACP and shot it today with a 2.5X scope at 25 yards sighting in. Groups were 1 big hole with 9 shots of 5 different reloads. Very accurate compared to my 45 ACP CMMG RDB carbine. Didn't chrono my loads yet. Will be using Longshot or CFE powder for new loads. Have a ROMEO5 RDS on order. My experience has been that the slower powders give higher carbine velocities. Plan on doing some bowling pin shooting.
